Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]

[ashleyman]

I'm renting a space for 5 hours, starting at 9AM.

Does my 5 hours finish at 1PM or 2PM?

I'm looking at it like this:

9 - 10 - 1 hour
10 - 11- 1 hour
11 - 12- 1 hour
12 - 1- 1 hour

= 4 hours in total.

So should I not get to use the space up until 1.59 or am I missing something here?

[48k]

ashleyman said:

I'm renting a space for 5 hours, starting at 9AM.

Does my 5 hours finish at 1PM or 2PM?

I'm looking at it like this:

9 - 10 - 1 hour
10 - 11- 1 hour
11 - 12- 1 hour
12 - 1- 1 hour

= 4 hours in total.

So should I not get to use the space up until 1.59 or am I missing something here?

If you're renting it for five hours then you should have use of it for five hours surely? So your rental time runs from 9am untll 2pm (or 1:59.59)

[48k]

captain_cynic said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Spumfry said:

Who decided that in the UK we'd use individual numbers when referring to Fiat cars e.g. one two seven when in Italy they call them by the whole number e.g. centoventisette / one hundred and twenty seven....apart from the Fiat 500 where we use the same format?

And does the same apply for Ferraris? Is a 355 a 'trecento cinquantacinque' or a 'tre cinque cinque'?

It's just a cultural thing, surely? English-speakers tend to say numbers that way, whereas it seems the Italians like to say it in full.

What always amuses me is translating evocative Italian names into English. So we have the Ferrari Red head. The Lamborghini Countach four valve, the Maserati four port, the Fiat pen, etc.

I've always thought it was an American thing. Seven oh Seven and that kind of thing which we generally reserve for names. When talking about dates, prices, measurements we tend to state the whole number, I.E. four hundred and thirty seven Pounds, not four three seven Pounds. We also mix it like a BMW "three twenty eye" but we're talking about proper nouns and regular rules can be suspended for those.

I've noticed this bleed into Spanish, I asked a friend in south america which plane she wen't on and she replied "siete siete siete" (meaning a B777) which oddly enough is one of our exceptions, we'd don't usually call it a "seven seven seven", I usually hear "triple seven" or "seven-seventy seven". They don't usually shorten dates, it's dos mil diecinueve (2019) as compared to just nineteen for us.

I think I'll just conclude that English is weird and I should stop trying to make sense of it

Who refers to a Boeing 777 as a "seven seventy-seven" ???

[Clockwork Cupcake]

48k said:

If you're renting it for five hours then you should have use of it for five hours surely? So your rental time runs from 9am untll 2pm (or 1:59.59)

Indeed. That's how I would see it too.

To think otherwise is a classic fencepost error (aka the "off by one" error). So called because for 4 fence panels there are 5 fence posts.

[FiF]

ashleyman said:

I'm renting a space for 5 hours, starting at 9AM.

Does my 5 hours finish at 1PM or 2PM?

I'm looking at it like this:

9 - 10 - 1 hour
10 - 11- 1 hour
11 - 12- 1 hour
12 - 1- 1 hour

= 4 hours in total.

So should I not get to use the space up until 1.59 or am I missing something here?

If you had 5 separate rental contracts, each for one hour, all to run consecutively, what do you think the answer would be then?

On the other hand if you got sentenced to prison for 5 years you'd be out in 18 months ish, so that's a terrible example.

[Dr Jekyll]

48k said:

Who refers to a Boeing 777 as a "seven seventy-seven" ???

I've heard people refer to the 'seven forty seven'.
Also everyone seemed to refer to the BAC 'one eleven', never to the BAC one one one (or to the General dynamics F one one one or Porsche nine one one), Also it was 'Boeing seven twenty' not 'seven two zero'.

[V8mate]

captain_cynic said:

I've always thought it was an American thing. Seven oh Seven and that kind of thing which we generally reserve for names.

I recall calling a hotel my wife wast staying in, in Chicago, and asking the front desk/operator for room two hundred and seven (or whatever it was) and getting a full WTF-type response.

Took several goes for us to communicate in the same language.

[ashleyman]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

48k said:

If you're renting it for five hours then you should have use of it for five hours surely? So your rental time runs from 9am untll 2pm (or 1:59.59)

Indeed. That's how I would see it too.

To think otherwise is a classic fencepost error (aka the "off by one" error). So called because for 4 fence panels there are 5 fence posts.

48k said:

ashleyman said:

I'm renting a space for 5 hours, starting at 9AM.

Does my 5 hours finish at 1PM or 2PM?

I'm looking at it like this:

9 - 10 - 1 hour
10 - 11- 1 hour
11 - 12- 1 hour
12 - 1- 1 hour

= 4 hours in total.

So should I not get to use the space up until 1.59 or am I missing something here?

If you're renting it for five hours then you should have use of it for five hours surely? So your rental time runs from 9am untll 2pm (or 1:59.59)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks I should get use of the space until 1:59:59 but they're saying I need to be out by 1.

This should be an interesting conversation.

[NoVetec]

V8mate said:

captain_cynic said:

I've always thought it was an American thing. Seven oh Seven and that kind of thing which we generally reserve for names.

I recall calling a hotel my wife wast staying in, in Chicago, and asking the front desk/operator for room two hundred and seven (or whatever it was) and getting a full WTF-type response.

Took several goes for us to communicate in the same language.

Reminds me of speaking to the receptionist at a hotel in Germany not too long ago. "Eins null sechs" was met with a confused Franconian face and a polite "Bitte?". I switched to English.

ashleyman said:

I'm renting a space for 5 hours, starting at 9AM.

Does my 5 hours finish at 1PM or 2PM?

I'm looking at it like this:

9 - 10 - 1 hour
10 - 11- 1 hour
11 - 12- 1 hour
12 - 1- 1 hour

= 4 hours in total.

So should I not get to use the space up until 1.59 or am I missing something here?

Touring prostidude?

[SpeckledJim]

ashleyman said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks I should get use of the space until 1:59:59 but they're saying I need to be out by 1.

This should be an interesting conversation.

This is their actual line of work!? They are very stupid.

[captain_cynic]

Dr Jekyll said:

I've heard people refer to the 'seven forty seven'.
Also everyone seemed to refer to the BAC 'one eleven', never to the BAC one one one (or to the General dynamics F one one one or Porsche nine one one), Also it was 'Boeing seven twenty' not 'seven two zero'.

You've also got "seven four seven" in popular usage.

I was trying to point out that there wasn't any consistency, even amongst the same line of aircraft, Boeing's 7x7 line. We just fall into using whatever we feel is most comfortable. "Seven seven seven" doesn't feel comfortable in English, so we use other names.

V8mate said:

I recall calling a hotel my wife wast staying in, in Chicago, and asking the front desk/operator for room two hundred and seven (or whatever it was) and getting a full WTF-type response.

Took several goes for us to communicate in the same language.

Two countries separated by a common tongue

I often get in trouble in the US when referring to the foot path (sidewalk), getting to the hire car office (rental car) or asking the front desk where the lift is (elevator). I can forget the language difference.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

ashleyman said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks I should get use of the space until 1:59:59 but they're saying I need to be out by 1.

This should be an interesting conversation.

Blimey.

So, they'll happily bill you for 5 hours and only give you 4?

[ashleyman]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

ashleyman said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks I should get use of the space until 1:59:59 but they're saying I need to be out by 1.

This should be an interesting conversation.

Blimey.

So, they'll happily bill you for 5 hours and only give you 4?

That's what it seems like.

I think she's getting confused because their hourly rate is £100.

Half Day rate is £400 - 5 hours
Full Day is £700 - 9 hours

So she is thinking because I am paying £400 I am getting 4 hours without knowing that £400 is actually the half day rate which is worth 5 hours of time.

At least I'm not the crazy one for thinking 5 hours finishes at 1 not 2.
I actually think having to interact with this person is making me stupid.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

ashleyman said:

That's what it seems like.

I think she's getting confused because their hourly rate is £100.

Half Day rate is £400 - 5 hours
Full Day is £700 - 9 hours

So she is thinking because I am paying £400 I am getting 4 hours without knowing that £400 is actually the half day rate which is worth 5 hours of time.

At least I'm not the crazy one for thinking 5 hours finishes at 1 not 2.
I actually think having to interact with this person is making me stupid.

I'm amazed that you can keep going for 4 hours straight, let alone 5.

[ashleyman]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I'm amazed that you can keep going for 4 hours straight, let alone 5.

I'm a young man with stamina! ha

[Allan L]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

What always amuses me is translating evocative Italian names into English. So we have the Ferrari red head, etc.

That'd be the Smith red head, surely?

[anonymous-user]

I need a pigs pancreas for a poorly cat with an enzyme production problem. Where the hell will I get one from? I can't even think where my nearest butcher is, or if they'd have one. Assuming tesco butcher would only have bacon and sausages. Any abbatoir workers or anything from Essex reading?

(Vet's advice, she is too small to tablet and just won't eat the food if we try and blend/hide it so the pigs pancreas is a viable if rank alternative)

[Dr Jekyll]

When did 'a thing' become, well, a thing? It's a useful expression that seems to have been coined just in the last few years.

[StevieBee]

OpulentBob said:

I need a pigs pancreas for a poorly cat with an enzyme production problem. Where the hell will I get one from? I can't even think where my nearest butcher is, or if they'd have one. Assuming tesco butcher would only have bacon and sausages. Any abbatoir workers or anything from Essex reading?

(Vet's advice, she is too small to tablet and just won't eat the food if we try and blend/hide it so the pigs pancreas is a viable if rank alternative)

Try Cheale Meats in West Horndon.

[anonymous-user]

StevieBee said:

OpulentBob said:

I need a pigs pancreas for a poorly cat with an enzyme production problem. Where the hell will I get one from? I can't even think where my nearest butcher is, or if they'd have one. Assuming tesco butcher would only have bacon and sausages. Any abbatoir workers or anything from Essex reading?

(Vet's advice, she is too small to tablet and just won't eat the food if we try and blend/hide it so the pigs pancreas is a viable if rank alternative)

Try Cheale Meats in West Horndon.

Thanks, I will!