Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 4]
Discussion
FiF said:
Right, not exactly something always wanted to know but can't find a thread and CBA to start one.
Mrs is watching a daytime TV show, "Home is where the art is."
For those who don't know it, presenter Nick Knowles, turn off here if you like. Programme premise is a family who would like some personal art commission done related to their family.
Three artists are let loose in their house, usually three different mediums, painter, sculptor, potter, glass work, whatever. They go away, put together some ideas, come back do a presentation, examples of their work and the family pick two going forward.
Those two go away and produce their final piece, present the finished piece, tears, gasps of amazement, one to be picked and paid for. Sometimes they have and pay for both.
Sorry long preamble for scene setting.
Anyway to the question. I have the utmost respect and amazement at people who are truly artistic, the ability and creativity is staggering. The amount of effort and thought deployed can be off my scale. So have trouble rationalising the price asked for these commissioned pieces.
Today the asking price was £360. It's usually ~500 ish, sometimes getting up towards a £1000, rarely over. So much work and talent for, to my eyes, so little financial reward.
I don't know if there is significant TV company sponsorship, apparently the losing artist gets their material costs covered. Yes it's free advertising, but some of these pieces are amazing even to someone without the personal connections of the commissioner.
Are my conceptions of how much artworks cost out of kilter, and this sort of work at these prices is typical, or is it all usual TV smoke and mirrors.
Well, well, well worth doing purely for the free advertising and the 'as seen on TV' value. Mrs is watching a daytime TV show, "Home is where the art is."
For those who don't know it, presenter Nick Knowles, turn off here if you like. Programme premise is a family who would like some personal art commission done related to their family.
Three artists are let loose in their house, usually three different mediums, painter, sculptor, potter, glass work, whatever. They go away, put together some ideas, come back do a presentation, examples of their work and the family pick two going forward.
Those two go away and produce their final piece, present the finished piece, tears, gasps of amazement, one to be picked and paid for. Sometimes they have and pay for both.
Sorry long preamble for scene setting.
Anyway to the question. I have the utmost respect and amazement at people who are truly artistic, the ability and creativity is staggering. The amount of effort and thought deployed can be off my scale. So have trouble rationalising the price asked for these commissioned pieces.
Today the asking price was £360. It's usually ~500 ish, sometimes getting up towards a £1000, rarely over. So much work and talent for, to my eyes, so little financial reward.
I don't know if there is significant TV company sponsorship, apparently the losing artist gets their material costs covered. Yes it's free advertising, but some of these pieces are amazing even to someone without the personal connections of the commissioner.
Are my conceptions of how much artworks cost out of kilter, and this sort of work at these prices is typical, or is it all usual TV smoke and mirrors.
And even if client 1 doesn't buy it, viewer 2 will be on the phone to buy it once the show has aired.
LimaDelta said:
glenrobbo said:
They do. They're called "mice".
You can buy them at your local pet shop.
Oh, I don't need to buy any.You can buy them at your local pet shop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhocbkDl5A
In answer to the comments about the pricing for the artwork, fair enough but it still seems cheap to me.
For example for a technical scientific consultant type request, I don't even get the car keys off the hook for less than a grand, and I only play at it as a semi retired old fart for pocket money.
Even for a grand some of the issues and questions often turn out, at least as far as I'm concerned, to be very basic stuff. Usually manage to add in more input to give them better value for their money, as in, while I'm here, just happened to notice that.... First rule of consultants, look for more work.
For example for a technical scientific consultant type request, I don't even get the car keys off the hook for less than a grand, and I only play at it as a semi retired old fart for pocket money.
Even for a grand some of the issues and questions often turn out, at least as far as I'm concerned, to be very basic stuff. Usually manage to add in more input to give them better value for their money, as in, while I'm here, just happened to notice that.... First rule of consultants, look for more work.
GIYess said:
Artists usually only make money after they are dead.
Not necessarily.Had a holiday in southern France some years back and rented a house next door to a Brit ex-pat artist who was doing very well for himself producing art for Corporate Receptions across Europe; churning out two a week with the help of local art students.
SpeckledJim said:
FiF said:
Right, not exactly something always wanted to know but can't find a thread and CBA to start one.
Mrs is watching a daytime TV show, "Home is where the art is."
For those who don't know it, presenter Nick Knowles, turn off here if you like. Programme premise is a family who would like some personal art commission done related to their family.
Three artists are let loose in their house, usually three different mediums, painter, sculptor, potter, glass work, whatever. They go away, put together some ideas, come back do a presentation, examples of their work and the family pick two going forward.
Those two go away and produce their final piece, present the finished piece, tears, gasps of amazement, one to be picked and paid for. Sometimes they have and pay for both.
Sorry long preamble for scene setting.
Anyway to the question. I have the utmost respect and amazement at people who are truly artistic, the ability and creativity is staggering. The amount of effort and thought deployed can be off my scale. So have trouble rationalising the price asked for these commissioned pieces.
Today the asking price was £360. It's usually ~500 ish, sometimes getting up towards a £1000, rarely over. So much work and talent for, to my eyes, so little financial reward.
I don't know if there is significant TV company sponsorship, apparently the losing artist gets their material costs covered. Yes it's free advertising, but some of these pieces are amazing even to someone without the personal connections of the commissioner.
Are my conceptions of how much artworks cost out of kilter, and this sort of work at these prices is typical, or is it all usual TV smoke and mirrors.
Well, well, well worth doing purely for the free advertising and the 'as seen on TV' value. Mrs is watching a daytime TV show, "Home is where the art is."
For those who don't know it, presenter Nick Knowles, turn off here if you like. Programme premise is a family who would like some personal art commission done related to their family.
Three artists are let loose in their house, usually three different mediums, painter, sculptor, potter, glass work, whatever. They go away, put together some ideas, come back do a presentation, examples of their work and the family pick two going forward.
Those two go away and produce their final piece, present the finished piece, tears, gasps of amazement, one to be picked and paid for. Sometimes they have and pay for both.
Sorry long preamble for scene setting.
Anyway to the question. I have the utmost respect and amazement at people who are truly artistic, the ability and creativity is staggering. The amount of effort and thought deployed can be off my scale. So have trouble rationalising the price asked for these commissioned pieces.
Today the asking price was £360. It's usually ~500 ish, sometimes getting up towards a £1000, rarely over. So much work and talent for, to my eyes, so little financial reward.
I don't know if there is significant TV company sponsorship, apparently the losing artist gets their material costs covered. Yes it's free advertising, but some of these pieces are amazing even to someone without the personal connections of the commissioner.
Are my conceptions of how much artworks cost out of kilter, and this sort of work at these prices is typical, or is it all usual TV smoke and mirrors.
And even if client 1 doesn't buy it, viewer 2 will be on the phone to buy it once the show has aired.
And my question - is the song thrush the loudest native songbird in the UK? We have one here (near the office), and he was letting rip when I arrived this am and his performance is much more obvious than the blackbird, robin, tits (blue and great) and various finches.
The Don of Croy said:
Have they had an episode including 'interpretive dance' yet? Not that I'd pay a brass farthing for any of it [/oldfartmode]
And my question - is the song thrush the loudest native songbird in the UK? We have one here (near the office), and he was letting rip when I arrived this am and his performance is much more obvious than the blackbird, robin, tits (blue and great) and various finches.
I’m in awe of your recognition of various birds, I can recognise a pigeon, crow, blackbird, magpie, sparrow or robin, and that’s about it, I mean by sight, not by song.And my question - is the song thrush the loudest native songbird in the UK? We have one here (near the office), and he was letting rip when I arrived this am and his performance is much more obvious than the blackbird, robin, tits (blue and great) and various finches.
The Don of Croy said:
And my question - is the song thrush the loudest native songbird in the UK? We have one here (near the office), and he was letting rip when I arrived this am and his performance is much more obvious than the blackbird, robin, tits (blue and great) and various finches.
The Bittern at 101 Db.227bhp said:
The Don of Croy said:
And my question - is the song thrush the loudest native songbird in the UK? We have one here (near the office), and he was letting rip when I arrived this am and his performance is much more obvious than the blackbird, robin, tits (blue and great) and various finches.
The Bittern at 101 Db.Came across a video on YouTube showing a compilation of Mustangs crashing and all the crashes follow the same pattern, acceleration, wheelspin and crashing as soon as they go into second gear.
There are a lot of powerful RWD cars out there so it can’t be down to driver error otherwise there would be videos of lots of other cars crashing in the same manner.
Why are mustangs always crashing into hedges and crowds? Is it a mechanical problem, if so, why haven’t Ford corrected it over the years.
Video here for reference
https://youtu.be/MhyLAHiNW9g
In the related video section, there’s actually so many other, longer videos of them crashing, what am I missing here?
There are a lot of powerful RWD cars out there so it can’t be down to driver error otherwise there would be videos of lots of other cars crashing in the same manner.
Why are mustangs always crashing into hedges and crowds? Is it a mechanical problem, if so, why haven’t Ford corrected it over the years.
Video here for reference
https://youtu.be/MhyLAHiNW9g
In the related video section, there’s actually so many other, longer videos of them crashing, what am I missing here?
Chestrockwell said:
Came across a video on YouTube showing a compilation of Mustangs crashing and all the crashes follow the same pattern, acceleration, wheelspin and crashing as soon as they go into second gear.
There are a lot of powerful RWD cars out there so it can’t be down to driver error otherwise there would be videos of lots of other cars crashing in the same manner.
Why are mustangs always crashing into hedges and crowds? Is it a mechanical problem, if so, why haven’t Ford corrected it over the years.
Video here for reference
https://youtu.be/MhyLAHiNW9g
In the related video section, there’s actually so many other, longer videos of them crashing, what am I missing here?
Not just Mustangs. There's one of some bellend in a Lambo in London planting the thing into wall doing the same and plenty of similar.There are a lot of powerful RWD cars out there so it can’t be down to driver error otherwise there would be videos of lots of other cars crashing in the same manner.
Why are mustangs always crashing into hedges and crowds? Is it a mechanical problem, if so, why haven’t Ford corrected it over the years.
Video here for reference
https://youtu.be/MhyLAHiNW9g
In the related video section, there’s actually so many other, longer videos of them crashing, what am I missing here?
I suspect it's simply a case of turning off the TC and believing you have the skill to burn up a bit of tyre smoke not realising the grip that you have and the momentum it provides in a very short distance.
wiggy001 said:
Sitting on my own in a hotel restaurant and I’m again wondering something I’ve often pondered:
Are waitresses trained to ask how your food is when you have a mouthful, so that all you can do is nod and mumble “mmmmgggmgmgmffgg” regardless of how good or bad it actually is?
Yes I've wondered that too - I also get pissed off when they ask "is that alright for you both ?Are waitresses trained to ask how your food is when you have a mouthful, so that all you can do is nod and mumble “mmmmgggmgmgmffgg” regardless of how good or bad it actually is?
FiF said:
Exige77 said:
LimaDelta said:
Why don't they make mouse flavoured cat food?
Or Cat flavoured Dog food even Mouse flavoured cat food. Or mouse flavour, depending on whether it has real mouse in it.
First of all, you can't get the quantity of mice required for commercial cat food. Plus they're fiddly and awkward to skin, cook and process.
However, mice have that unique mousey aroma, and the mouse smell and taste is based on a group of chemicals called amines. During the canning process, the amines will denature to more volatile compounds, and quite simply the stuff will stink to high hell.
So whilst a mouse aroma can be added, it won't last and rapidly go off. Mouse flavour cat food has been tried in the past, and it was, as expected, a complete disaster.
Considering how fussy my cat Chairman Miaow can be, she won't get a mousey tongue from a can....
Inspired by Trigger's Broom story (had the same broom for 15 years...just four new handles and five new heads)......
How much of a car has to be replaced before it's deemed a new car?
I'm assuming that the chassis number must be the same so if I had an old car and replaced everything within 20mm of the chassis number plate and or the etched number, would the DVLA still consider it to be the same car?
How much of a car has to be replaced before it's deemed a new car?
I'm assuming that the chassis number must be the same so if I had an old car and replaced everything within 20mm of the chassis number plate and or the etched number, would the DVLA still consider it to be the same car?
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