Poll: Cannabis
Total Members Polled: 475
Discussion
zubzob said:
On nearly every metric. Including mental/memory, alcohol is more potent and unhealthy.
Alcohol is a very powerful drug. I’m amazed at the hypocrisy of people who drink almost every day, suggesting that weed is relatively harmful. Booze is a real killer. It ruins lives.
The stats are clear as day.
I dont deny alcohol is bad - in excess, whereas you are comparing moderate /heavy use of alcohol with any use of cannabis - your light-touch argument doesnt stack up. Fell free to quote some stats and evidence from clinically respected sources to reinforce your case (but you will struggle)Alcohol is a very powerful drug. I’m amazed at the hypocrisy of people who drink almost every day, suggesting that weed is relatively harmful. Booze is a real killer. It ruins lives.
The stats are clear as day.
Edited by zubzob on Wednesday 20th June 10:07
zubzob said:
alorotom said:
I dont deny alcohol is bad - in excess, whereas you are comparing moderate /heavy use of alcohol with any use of cannabis - your light-touch argument doesnt stack up. Fell free to quote some stats and evidence from clinically respected sources to reinforce your case (but you will struggle)
Ok challenge accepted. Just to clarify, you want evidence that moderate use of alcohol is less harmful than moderate use of cannabis?
I suggest we get you both and Zubzub gets stoned on some quality skunk and algorithm gets really Oli reed drunk and we put you both in a driving simulator or better a flight simulator and see who can function the best?
Drunks vs stoners. That’s great tv right there.
Briefly, the question was about drugs, not alcohol. That's as bad, if not worse by sheer volume, ease of access and impact on society. I know, I lived with it- my dad suffered, or we suffered from his alcoholism all our lives. He wasn't a mad old tramp- he was a highly successful business man who now and then lost it- I suspect because of what he experienced during the war. Time blurs just how bad things sometimes were.
But think of it this way- you can be a functioning heroin user. You can hold down a job/family. IF IF IF you know you can get it when you want it and yr drugs are pure and not going (likely) to kill you.
If the supply is varied. If the supply is cut. If yr dealer wants to force you into crime/sexual acts to get yr hit........... the whole scenario changes.
At that point giving Zak or Tasha-Jade, free, safe controlled class A in a prescription manner suddenly starts to save society literally £1000's per day on the consequential impacts of "what if".
But no, you can F off if you think I want anything to do with you if you think casual toking is absolutely fine. But equally you probably don't want anything to do with me either, so that's fine
We're all gods children.
But think of it this way- you can be a functioning heroin user. You can hold down a job/family. IF IF IF you know you can get it when you want it and yr drugs are pure and not going (likely) to kill you.
If the supply is varied. If the supply is cut. If yr dealer wants to force you into crime/sexual acts to get yr hit........... the whole scenario changes.
At that point giving Zak or Tasha-Jade, free, safe controlled class A in a prescription manner suddenly starts to save society literally £1000's per day on the consequential impacts of "what if".
But no, you can F off if you think I want anything to do with you if you think casual toking is absolutely fine. But equally you probably don't want anything to do with me either, so that's fine
We're all gods children. austinsmirk said:
We're all gods children.
I certainly am not, thanks.It tickles me that someone can be so anti-cannabis yet appears to believe in a completely made up entity. Frankly you would have to be off your tits on drugs to even entertain the idea of God's existence.
Edited by designforlife on Wednesday 20th June 10:31
Edited by designforlife on Wednesday 20th June 10:33
austinsmirk said:
But no, you can F off if you think I want anything to do with you if you think casual toking is absolutely fine. But equally you probably don't want anything to do with me either, so that's fine We're all gods children.
I would have thought, based on the experience you started the post above with, you would be more prone to having a harsher reaction to people that booze, on the basis it impacted your life. We're all gods children. Why, if you don't mind me asking, do you not have such powerful views on drink?
designforlife said:
austinsmirk said:
We're all gods children.
I certainly am not, thanksGod then made a garden but said they couldn’t eat the apples.
Eve made Adam eat the apple as she liked the one eyed snake.
Adam and Eve gained knowledge about cool stuff and started growing cannabis in the garden and god slung ‘em out.
Fact,
Hoofy said:
1. Why would it stop a kid on the street selling it when it's tax free and possibly cheaper as they don't have the overheads of shop rent and rates?
2. People aren't currently saying they won't buy it because it's of an uncertain quality. Would they pay (guestimate) 50% more that the kid is selling it for because it's of a guaranteed quality?
3. What would the drug sellers do instead if it was available in shops?
(Personally, I couldn't give a s
t whether you're smoking cannabis or cigarettes as long as I don't have to smell it, whether it's in a restaurant or when I'm walking to the shops. And as long as you're not smoking it to relax while driving.)
Interesting for me is how the Brits often think they are solving/addressing this issue first. The data exists for what happens when you legalise drugs. Other countries have already cut this path before. If we assume we are relatively similar then it should be expected that the similar impact happens for us. 2. People aren't currently saying they won't buy it because it's of an uncertain quality. Would they pay (guestimate) 50% more that the kid is selling it for because it's of a guaranteed quality?
3. What would the drug sellers do instead if it was available in shops?
(Personally, I couldn't give a s
t whether you're smoking cannabis or cigarettes as long as I don't have to smell it, whether it's in a restaurant or when I'm walking to the shops. And as long as you're not smoking it to relax while driving.)1. Do you buy cheap booze from people on street corners with illegal moonshine stills?
2. Similar to question 1. It would be more accessible so I guess more people would try it. The standard/strength would be a known quantity for better or worse, like buying Absynth vs a pint... Education helps you choose.
3. We should look at all the other countries to see what they did. Probably go out of business. Many weed sellers do it so they pay for their own smoke and also so they can guarantee supply for themselves. They don't always have a massive boot full of every drug under the sun.
Something like that.
I struggle to think of anyone I know who doesn't or hasn't consumed it. Maybe a quarter of the people I know have never had anything to do with it. Everyone else, family included, has.
I liked the taste. It never had any effect on me other than that so it seemed pointless to continue wasting time and money.
I liked the taste. It never had any effect on me other than that so it seemed pointless to continue wasting time and money.
Cannabis is easy to get for almost everyone because almost everyone knows someone who smokes or has smoked it.
I think it should be legalised. The weed these days is extremely potent because that’s what ‘the market’ for it desires, a strong fast high. My great uncle used to grow it in the 70s/80s and the reports from my older family members suggest it was a soft mellow high and a nice experience.
I think it should be legalised. The weed these days is extremely potent because that’s what ‘the market’ for it desires, a strong fast high. My great uncle used to grow it in the 70s/80s and the reports from my older family members suggest it was a soft mellow high and a nice experience.
Shakermaker said:
untakenname said:
Some druggy funding a £100 a day drug habit would have to commit a lot less crime if they got the same amount of drugs for £5.
Or they could commit the same amount of crime and get 20x as much product as a result?I'm pretty anti drug, having lost friends through drugs (still alive, just bellends) who let their lives get completely consumed by whatever they could smoke or stick up their nose. Notably my best friend for many years who would be a complete mess by 10am and became the most unreliable sack of st I've ever seen. He stopped socialising with anyone who didn't have drugs, he stopped going to work, and even showed up to my wedding drunk and stoned. He was my best man the prick. My friends and I staged an intervention which he took as a breach of his privacy and we've not spoke much since. I hear he's back on track these days, but seeing him living at his parents house and driving a rusty old van around makes me dubuous.
A lot of my opinions are based that I'm ex Army, and so somewhat conditioned against drugs. When I left I had a few bad experiences with various substances after being persuaded by people who I shouldn't have listened to, which somewhat cemented my thoughts on the matter.
A few years back however, new friends who liked to smoke a bit in the evenings invited me round for a few beers, and after I partook in a bit of the stuff, I have to admit, I had a great time. I was with people I could trust who didn't push anything on me, and in fact I'd probably rather do a bit of that than get pissed up. This helped to show me drug users are not all useless, and in fact I now know several successful people who use all sorts.
I cant see a problem with cannabis being legalized and regulated. I'm not sure if it would be a door into the harder world of drugs, but other countries have made it legal and from what I've read it doesn't cause them too many problems.
t I've ever seen. He stopped socialising with anyone who didn't have drugs, he stopped going to work, and even showed up to my wedding drunk and stoned. He was my best man the prick. My friends and I staged an intervention which he took as a breach of his privacy and we've not spoke much since. I hear he's back on track these days, but seeing him living at his parents house and driving a rusty old van around makes me dubuous. A lot of my opinions are based that I'm ex Army, and so somewhat conditioned against drugs. When I left I had a few bad experiences with various substances after being persuaded by people who I shouldn't have listened to, which somewhat cemented my thoughts on the matter.
A few years back however, new friends who liked to smoke a bit in the evenings invited me round for a few beers, and after I partook in a bit of the stuff, I have to admit, I had a great time. I was with people I could trust who didn't push anything on me, and in fact I'd probably rather do a bit of that than get pissed up. This helped to show me drug users are not all useless, and in fact I now know several successful people who use all sorts.
I cant see a problem with cannabis being legalized and regulated. I'm not sure if it would be a door into the harder world of drugs, but other countries have made it legal and from what I've read it doesn't cause them too many problems.
Always enjoy a decent Sativa. Don't do it anywhere near as much as I used to though.
Can't remember the last time I bought any though, must be quite a few years now.
Mate of mine works as a grower for medical Cannabis in Switzerland, I've known him over twenty years and everybody who has met him says they've never smoked anything like like it. Strong isn't the word, and I'm really not a fan of it at all.
A nice strain like AK47 sold in a licensed establishment, and I'm all for that.
That and being able to grow a little bit yourself for personal consumption,
Can't remember the last time I bought any though, must be quite a few years now.
Mate of mine works as a grower for medical Cannabis in Switzerland, I've known him over twenty years and everybody who has met him says they've never smoked anything like like it. Strong isn't the word, and I'm really not a fan of it at all.
A nice strain like AK47 sold in a licensed establishment, and I'm all for that.
That and being able to grow a little bit yourself for personal consumption,
daddy cool said:
Havent used it, but went to That London last week to go to a gig (Thom Yorke, since you asked), which was at the Roundhouse in Camden.
It was a nice evening so we decided to walk the 4-5 miles from Waterloo.
As we entered the Camden area, we walked past a group of culturally diverse men - one of which asked "hash?".
The last time I was asked a similar question it was in a charming B&B in Malvern, but that was "hash-brown?", and as this was about 7.30pm, rather than 7.30am, I can only assume this man was a DRUG DEALER, rather than offering me an all-day breakfast.
I hurried my lady companion along and mentally drafted an email to my local MP during the gig.
Worst user name, ever It was a nice evening so we decided to walk the 4-5 miles from Waterloo.
As we entered the Camden area, we walked past a group of culturally diverse men - one of which asked "hash?".
The last time I was asked a similar question it was in a charming B&B in Malvern, but that was "hash-brown?", and as this was about 7.30pm, rather than 7.30am, I can only assume this man was a DRUG DEALER, rather than offering me an all-day breakfast.
I hurried my lady companion along and mentally drafted an email to my local MP during the gig.
Pebbles167 said:
I'm pretty anti drug, having lost friends through drugs (still alive, just bellends) who let their lives get completely consumed by whatever they could smoke or stick up their nose. Notably my best friend for many years who would be a complete mess by 10am and became the most unreliable sack of st I've ever seen. He stopped socialising with anyone who didn't have drugs, he stopped going to work, and even showed up to my wedding drunk and stoned. He was my best man the prick. My friends and I staged an intervention which he took as a breach of his privacy and we've not spoke much since. I hear he's back on track these days, but seeing him living at his parents house and driving a rusty old van around makes me dubuous.
A lot of my opinions are based that I'm ex Army, and so somewhat conditioned against drugs. When I left I had a few bad experiences with various substances after being persuaded by people who I shouldn't have listened to, which somewhat cemented my thoughts on the matter.
A few years back however, new friends who liked to smoke a bit in the evenings invited me round for a few beers, and after I partook in a bit of the stuff, I have to admit, I had a great time. I was with people I could trust who didn't push anything on me, and in fact I'd probably rather do a bit of that than get pissed up. This helped to show me drug users are not all useless, and in fact I now know several successful people who use all sorts.
I cant see a problem with cannabis being legalized and regulated. I'm not sure if it would be a door into the harder world of drugs, but other countries have made it legal and from what I've read it doesn't cause them too many problems.
This is a very good post.t I've ever seen. He stopped socialising with anyone who didn't have drugs, he stopped going to work, and even showed up to my wedding drunk and stoned. He was my best man the prick. My friends and I staged an intervention which he took as a breach of his privacy and we've not spoke much since. I hear he's back on track these days, but seeing him living at his parents house and driving a rusty old van around makes me dubuous. A lot of my opinions are based that I'm ex Army, and so somewhat conditioned against drugs. When I left I had a few bad experiences with various substances after being persuaded by people who I shouldn't have listened to, which somewhat cemented my thoughts on the matter.
A few years back however, new friends who liked to smoke a bit in the evenings invited me round for a few beers, and after I partook in a bit of the stuff, I have to admit, I had a great time. I was with people I could trust who didn't push anything on me, and in fact I'd probably rather do a bit of that than get pissed up. This helped to show me drug users are not all useless, and in fact I now know several successful people who use all sorts.
I cant see a problem with cannabis being legalized and regulated. I'm not sure if it would be a door into the harder world of drugs, but other countries have made it legal and from what I've read it doesn't cause them too many problems.
The stuff at the start is exactly what happens when someone who has issues uses a drug (drug includes booze and other things people call drugs..) to try and solve them. Or hide from them. It can all get out of hand and then things fall to bits. Booze, or other drugs. All the same.
The latter part demonstrates treating what people call "drugs" with the same thinking as people do having a drink.
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