RE: WLTP kills off entry-level Golf GTI

RE: WLTP kills off entry-level Golf GTI

Thursday 19th July 2018

WLTP kills off entry-level Golf GTI

New emissions standards continue to cut a swathe through the performance car market



First the Golf R and BMW M3, now this. With the introduction of the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure fast approaching, Volkswagen has opted to do away with the 230hp Golf GTI rather than go to the expense of homologating it with the new emission limits. Until the new TCR variant goes on sale, the slightly more powerful Performance variant will be the sole GTI option on the menu.

The problem from Volkswagen's point of view is the added expense of fitting a particulate filter (a power-sapping option that Renault has just engineered its way around in the new Megane R.S. Trophy). The alternative solution is a hard-headed business decision, and - as with the three-door Golf R - it'll ultimately be the bottom line and the fatter profit margin of the Performance model that has ordered the cheaper GTI's demise.


While the death of the trim level is not necessarily a situation to have you clawing inconsolably at your face, it's worth reiterating what a fine thing the outgoing Golf was. We drove a manual five-door against the new Polo GTI very recently, and in truth, it walked all over its smaller sibling. Not because it's an especially thrilling hot hatch, but because it succeeds so magnificently and obviously in the basic job of being a car in the modern world.

Nice to sit in? Check. Refined? Check. Amenable? Well made? Check. Check. Practical? Check. Economical? Check. Just fast enough to be interesting? Check. Comfortable? Check. Capable? Check. Was it a serious B road rival to a Megane or Civic or an i30 N? No. It's so concerned with being rounded and agreeable that Volkswagen delegated all the scruff-of-the-neck pointy stuff to other more expensive versions. But for a sub £30k car to live in every day, to commute and mistreat, it hardly knew a peer. Let's hope the Mk8, due next year, proves a worthy enough follow-up.

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Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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As long as we don't lose the manual gearbox I can live with this.

Pumpsmynads

268 posts

156 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Dale487 said:
As long as we don't lose the manual gearbox I can live with this.
How many have you owned?

tomv1to

144 posts

167 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I thought the Octavia VRS was the entry level Golf GTI? laugh

E65Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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tomv1to said:
I thought the Octavia VRS was the entry level Golf GTI? laugh
I see where you're coming from, but the Octavia VRS is an Octavia smile

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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I didn't think emission tests bothered VW.

Sheepshanks

32,752 posts

119 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Never mind 'entry-level Golf GTI', at the moment VW haven't got ANY Golfs approved. http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Pumpsmynads said:
Dale487 said:
As long as we don't lose the manual gearbox I can live with this.
How many have you owned?
Cars 4 - Manual cars 4 - Golf GTIs 0 (because the boot is too small, but very very seriously looked at a last of the MK7s at the beginning of 2017).

Surely everyone really wants a Performance Pack GTI but economics comes into it and you didn't lose much on the day to day buying the normal GTI.

I just don't want to lose the manual option like we have on the R.

E65Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Dale487 said:
Cars 4 - Manual cars 4 - Golf GTIs 0 (because the boot is too small, but very very seriously looked at a last of the MK7s at the beginning of 2017).

Surely everyone really wants a Performance Pack GTI but economics comes into it and you didn't lose much on the day to day buying the normal GTI.

I just don't want to lose the manual option like we have on the R.
Unfortunately for the minority the majority of the market dictates the product.

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Cars 4 - Manual cars 4 - Golf GTIs 0 (because the boot is too small, but very very seriously looked at a last of the MK7s at the beginning of 2017).

Surely everyone really wants a Performance Pack GTI but economics comes into it and you didn't lose much on the day to day buying the normal GTI.

I just don't want to lose the manual option like we have on the R.
Unfortunately for the minority the majority of the market dictates the product.
True - I just really hope the MK8 GTI doesn't go DSG only.

But look at the situation with diesel, everyone was told that's what we should buy but it was only right for a minority - once I'd decided that a petrol SEAT Leon estate was the right way to go, due to all the diesels and autos (or both) my choice became quite limited. And look at the Ferrari market, where F1 'boxes and manuals are both available - the manuals now hold the premium.

Advantage Hyundai in the sub £30K manual hot hatch market.

greenarrow

3,589 posts

117 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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It seems a shame because often the entry level Golf GTI has been the sweetest, Mk2 for example and Mk5 - although they only really offered one Mk5 version, aside from the 30 year Anniversary special. I'll gloss over the 8 valve Mk3 and the 115 BHP 2 litre Mk4!!

Also, in a recent Autocar feature, Andrew Frankel voted the base engine manual gearbox GTI the best hot hatch of all time. Not sure I would go along with that, but it seems the base model of the current gen has a lot to offer.

Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Technical question here.

All these new petrol particulate filters, where do they sit in the exhaust system? Will aftermarket exhaust manufacturers have to incorporate one into their end to end full system designs? Surely that'll push the prices up. And won't these particulate filters strangle the engine sound coming out the back of the exhaust?

So it'll now cost more to upgrade the exhaust system (one of the first things I've always done to a car) to liberate some more of that raw sound that's lacking from new performance cars.

Edited by Murphy16 on Thursday 19th July 15:58

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Murphy16 said:
Technical question here.

All these new petrol particulate filters, where do they sit in the exhaust system? Will aftermarket exhaust manufacturers have to incorporate one into their end to end full system designs? Surely that'll push the prices up. And won't these particulate filters strangle the engine sound coming out the back of the exhaust?

So it'll now cost more to upgrade the exhaust system (one of the first things I've always done to a car) to liberate some more of that raw sound that's lacking from new performance cars.

Edited by Murphy16 on Thursday 19th July 15:58
Isn't removing DPF or similar now an automatic MOT fail? (I'm aware that you could refit the standard exhaust just before the MOT and then out back to the freer following one just after but not everyone is up for that.)



Hairymonster

1,428 posts

105 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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funkyrobot said:
I didn't think emission tests bothered VW.
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Rich Boy Spanner

1,311 posts

130 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
tomv1to said:
I thought the Octavia VRS was the entry level Golf GTI? laugh
I see where you're coming from, but the Octavia VRS is an Octavia smile
Different market, getting out of an Octavia and into a Golf it feels tiny. Not sure why people see them as interchangeable.

va1o

16,032 posts

207 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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And word what gearboxes/ bodystles will be offered with the GTI PP going forward? Wonder if it will go the same way as the R with 5dr DSG the only configuration scratchchin

E65Ross

35,071 posts

212 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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Dale487 said:
E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Cars 4 - Manual cars 4 - Golf GTIs 0 (because the boot is too small, but very very seriously looked at a last of the MK7s at the beginning of 2017).

Surely everyone really wants a Performance Pack GTI but economics comes into it and you didn't lose much on the day to day buying the normal GTI.

I just don't want to lose the manual option like we have on the R.
Unfortunately for the minority the majority of the market dictates the product.
True - I just really hope the MK8 GTI doesn't go DSG only.

But look at the situation with diesel, everyone was told that's what we should buy but it was only right for a minority - once I'd decided that a petrol SEAT Leon estate was the right way to go, due to all the diesels and autos (or both) my choice became quite limited. And look at the Ferrari market, where F1 'boxes and manuals are both available - the manuals now hold the premium.

Advantage Hyundai in the sub £30K manual hot hatch market.
The key in your comment about Ferrari where the manual holds a premium is that it applies to the USED car market. Manufacturers make cars for people buying new cars. And for new cars, far more DSG style boxes are made, so you can't blame them for not making a manual IMO.

dunnoreally

963 posts

108 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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On an almost-certainly-related note, you'll also notice that most the of big v8 saloons seem to have quietly dropped off configurators. Noticed this when I was dreaming about a Quattroporte GTS the other day, but there's no S8, XJR or v8 7er either (although the M760 hasn't gone anywhere, more's the better). V8 S classes can only be found when you try to configure a Maybach, too.

Against that backdrop, the loss of the lower-powered Golf gti's the least of my personal worries. I wonder when the legislators will find an excuse to attack performance EVs...

kambites

67,556 posts

221 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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dunnoreally said:
V8 S classes can only be found when you try to configure a Maybach, too.
Surely you can still get AMG S-classes?

ETA: Yeah you can still get a V8 or V12 S-class with AMG badges on it.

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Thursday 19th July 2018
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funkyrobot said:
I didn't think emission tests bothered VW.
lmao

Dale487

Original Poster:

1,334 posts

123 months

Friday 20th July 2018
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E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
E65Ross said:
Dale487 said:
Cars 4 - Manual cars 4 - Golf GTIs 0 (because the boot is too small, but very very seriously looked at a last of the MK7s at the beginning of 2017).

Surely everyone really wants a Performance Pack GTI but economics comes into it and you didn't lose much on the day to day buying the normal GTI.

I just don't want to lose the manual option like we have on the R.
Unfortunately for the minority the majority of the market dictates the product.
True - I just really hope the MK8 GTI doesn't go DSG only.

But look at the situation with diesel, everyone was told that's what we should buy but it was only right for a minority - once I'd decided that a petrol SEAT Leon estate was the right way to go, due to all the diesels and autos (or both) my choice became quite limited. And look at the Ferrari market, where F1 'boxes and manuals are both available - the manuals now hold the premium.

Advantage Hyundai in the sub £30K manual hot hatch market.
The key in your comment about Ferrari where the manual holds a premium is that it applies to the USED car market. Manufacturers make cars for people buying new cars. And for new cars, far more DSG style boxes are made, so you can't blame them for not making a manual IMO.
I'm not blaming any car manufacturer for making want new car buyers want (or at least think they want or are directed to buy), I'm just saying that the market swings one way for new & nearly new then the other for used. Personally I think a manual gearbox option is more important than 10-20bhp.