RE: McLaren Speedtail reveal date confirmed

RE: McLaren Speedtail reveal date confirmed

Friday 12th October 2018

McLaren Speedtail reveal date confirmed

In two weeks we'll meet Woking's fastest road car, which it's billing as the first 'hyper-GT'



McLaren has confirmed that its long-awaited Speedtail and self-designated ‘hyper-GT’ will be revealed at 1pm on October 26th at a private event in London, with a live stream internet broadcast for those of us short of the £2.1 million to bag one. Just 106 are being made, all of which are already spoken for, and each will produce more than 1,000hp from a hybrid powertrain and have a top speed greater than the F1’s 243mph.

McLaren has been tight-lipped on further technical details for the Speedtail (formerly BP23), although it has provided a few snippets, such as a reference to the car’s “momentous, flowing, highly streamlined design”. A new preview image and earlier illustrations have also shown that it’ll get a low-set roofline and lengthy back-end, hence the name. We know the car will be a three-seater that places the driver in the middle, like the F1, as well.


But how fast is fast, you ask? That’s the biggest unanswered question when it comes to the Speedtail. You might think McLaren would want to make the fastest car in the world, but PistonHeads understands the British supercar maker has no interest in breaking records and joining the 300mph race. Woking’s engineers have instead been tasked with making a McLaren that, while faster than all others, is highly luxurious and usable in town traffic. As such, it won’t use tyres designed specifically for top speed.

Since each Speedtail will not be focused on the drag strip and instead have to face wide-ranging demands from its wealthy owner, the use of hybrid-electric power seemed inevitable. A likely setup will combine the 4.0-litre twin-turbocharged V8 engine that was first used in the 720S (where it has 720hp) and an electric motor. We’re yet to learn whether the motor drives directly through the gearbox, a la P1, or whether it’s given control of the front axle. The latter has become more popular due to providing more space for a separate gearbox to enable higher speed, but the former has packaging advantages.


Whichever route McLaren has taken with the Speedtail’s system, it’s highly likely to be capable of all-electric running. This is because the Speedtail has to conform to strict emissions limits across the globe, with ever-shrinking CO2 limits and even possible combustion engine-free zones in German cities. Future hybrid McLarens, for which the Speedtail will become a halo model, are therefore expected with zero-emission running capability.

In fact, the Speedtail will arrive as the first of 18 confirmed new McLarens, set to be launched as part of its Track25 business plan. Parts of the model’s hybrid powertrain, its use of “exquisite new materials” and its vast range of customisation options are expected to filter down into these other models in the coming years. By 2025, all McLaren Sport Series and Super Series models will use a hybrid powertrain, leaving only Ultimate Series cars to rely on regular combustion power, like the Senna.

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GranCab

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2,902 posts

146 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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zzzzzzzzzzz .....

The Vambo

6,643 posts

141 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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GranCab said:
zzzzzzzzzzz .....
You might not be aware how ironic your post is.

GranCab

Original Poster:

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146 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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Is that because "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz" is the noise a McLala motor emits ? wink

Lordbenny

8,582 posts

219 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?

nyxster

1,452 posts

171 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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Lordbenny said:
Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?
the Bahrain Sovereign Wealth Fund are majority shareholders.

BugLebowski

1,033 posts

116 months

Friday 12th October 2018
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I wonder why we don't see more three-seater, rear-engined sports cars in the F1 mould. It seems like such a brilliant idea with few downsides, or am I missing some glaringly obvious problems they have?

MissChief

7,101 posts

168 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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So £2.5m pounds, not that it matters as they’re all sold, we might see a few test drives but once the reviews have been written we’ll never see any of them driven in anger and the odd one will pop up for sale for £POA with 12 miles on it or something.

ecsrobin

17,104 posts

165 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Lordbenny said:
Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?
R&D at mclaren is quite cheap. Change the shape of the rear view mirror and call it a new model.

AlmostUseful

3,282 posts

200 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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ecsrobin said:
Lordbenny said:
Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?
R&D at mclaren is quite cheap. Change the shape of the rear view mirror and call it a new model.
I think you’re being slightly facetious, there is also a series of intense meetings where they decide whether to add S or LT as a suffix to the badge. That’s sort of thing costs serious money.

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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AlmostUseful said:
ecsrobin said:
Lordbenny said:
Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?
R&D at mclaren is quite cheap. Change the shape of the rear view mirror and call it a new model.
I think you’re being slightly facetious, there is also a series of intense meetings where they decide whether to add S or LT as a suffix to the badge. That’s sort of thing costs serious money.
Yep - engineering a three seat hybrid capable of 243mph+ is a doddle.
That’s why you see so many of them.
wink




the tribester

2,383 posts

86 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Maldini35 said:
AlmostUseful said:
ecsrobin said:
Lordbenny said:
Can someone please explain to me where McLaren get their money from? 10 years ago, they didn’t exist as a production car company and now they churn out new cars once a month! R&D and manufacturing costs must be immense and I just can’t get my head round the amount of money it must cost to fund just one model let alone.....well it must be ten or more by now? Who’s backing them?
R&D at mclaren is quite cheap. Change the shape of the rear view mirror and call it a new model.
I think you’re being slightly facetious, there is also a series of intense meetings where they decide whether to add S or LT as a suffix to the badge. That’s sort of thing costs serious money.
Yep - engineering a three seat hybrid capable of 243mph+ is a doddle.
That’s why you see so many of them.
wink
That's nonsense. I'll think you'll find the only difference, according to the PH design engineers, between the 570S and this Speedtail, is that dammed mirror!!

Matt Cup

3,155 posts

104 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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the tribester said:
That's nonsense. I'll think you'll find the only difference, according to the PH design engineers, between the 570S and this Speedtail, is that dammed mirror!!
Don’t forget the badge too!

ecsrobin

17,104 posts

165 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Matt Cup said:
the tribester said:
That's nonsense. I'll think you'll find the only difference, according to the PH design engineers, between the 570S and this Speedtail, is that dammed mirror!!
Don’t forget the badge too!
laugh

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Are the Porschar 911 fans in?
Mistaking the design philosophy of the 911 with McLaren. 🙄

Don Colione

93 posts

76 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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For those that need it spelled out...

The McLaren F1 (Gordon Murray's Car) - mid-seat layout, naturally aspirated V-12, manual gearbox, light weight focus, timeless iconic design - analogue.

The new McLaren "formula"-

Twin-turbo V8 - cheap easy power, no regards for N/A sound or response, recycled in some form or another since the 12-C in all their models

No Manual Gearbox - cheap easy gear changes, no real skill required or regard for true drivers who seek to master the demands of a manual transmission ( heel and toe, rev matching, etc.)

"Hybrid Technology" - adding a further layer of electronic interference between the driver and machine because developing a proper bespoke NA engine would be too expensive for the company.

"Name Changes" - This adds no real performance benefits except to ruse the less discerning, "wealthy", customers into thinking that a new model was actually developed, when all they are doing is changing body kits, exhausts, engine displacements, boost levels, interchanging interiors, and slightly altering the same basic body shell that was used in the 12-C.

Their biggest violation using the formula was Naming the 720S clone a "Senna", in an attempt to fool the less discerning in to thinking it was some kind of all new model, and charging a million plus for it. Yet they pulled it off using their propaganda channels, which will go unnamed.

Now Autocar is even making direct comparisons between the two cars which further exposes their similarity.

How come they don't do an Unbiased comparison between the P1 and the Senna?

They will continue to use this formula for the foreseeable future it seems, because their client base and fanboys seem to remain woefully unaware...

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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This style of vacuous drip marketing is tedious to say the least. I’m sure it gives the social media “influencers” some more guff to fill their channels with but far from “building excitement” I find myself less and less interested. That’s quite an achievement given what is no doubt an extraordinary and wonderful piece of engineering. I’m beginning to think that the real spiritual successor to the F1 is going to be the Valkyrie.

subirg

718 posts

276 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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I think this is great. Far more interesting than the ridiculous Ferrari sp1 and sp2 models which are even more expensive, 5 times as common and basically just 812s with crap bodywork.

Congrats to the lucky owners!

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Don Colione said:
For those that need it spelled out...

The McLaren F1 (Gordon Murray's Car) - mid-seat layout, naturally aspirated V-12, manual gearbox, light weight focus, timeless iconic design - analogue.

The new McLaren "formula"-

Twin-turbo V8 - cheap easy power, no regards for N/A sound or response, recycled in some form or another since the 12-C in all their models

No Manual Gearbox - cheap easy gear changes, no real skill required or regard for true drivers who seek to master the demands of a manual transmission ( heel and toe, rev matching, etc.)

"Hybrid Technology" - adding a further layer of electronic interference between the driver and machine because developing a proper bespoke NA engine would be too expensive for the company.

"Name Changes" - This adds no real performance benefits except to ruse the less discerning, "wealthy", customers into thinking that a new model was actually developed, when all they are doing is changing body kits, exhausts, engine displacements, boost levels, interchanging interiors, and slightly altering the same basic body shell that was used in the 12-C.

Their biggest violation using the formula was Naming the 720S clone a "Senna", in an attempt to fool the less discerning in to thinking it was some kind of all new model, and charging a million plus for it. Yet they pulled it off using their propaganda channels, which will go unnamed.

Now Autocar is even making direct comparisons between the two cars which further exposes their similarity.

How come they don't do an Unbiased comparison between the P1 and the Senna?

They will continue to use this formula for the foreseeable future it seems, because their client base and fanboys seem to remain woefully unaware...
Out of interest have you driven a Senna, sat in one, or even seen one close up?
Genuine question.
If you have, then I doubt you’d pursue the line of argument that it’s just a 720S in disguise.
Of course there are shared elements - it’s the same story with every manufacturer - but the differences are pretty significant.
Those that have experienced the car up close are universally impressed with the engineering and the way it drives (if not by the way it looks).
But if you disagree perhaps everybody else is wrong?

Unlikely though.

Yes the F1 was magnificent but the world has moved on (not least the legislative restrictions all manufacturers now face). It’s the same story at Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini. I also love the F40 but I accept that Ferrari have to progress.
Yes, mastering a good manual gearbox is a delight but that is irrelevant for the modern breed of super/hyper cars.
Technological progress and speed is what they are chasing - and it was ever thus.
It’s hopelessly naive to think otherwise.

If you are trying to make a point I’d advise you to drop the conspiracy theories (which you bring up time and again) and the patronising ‘fanboy’ references. They make you very hard to take seriously.




Edited by Maldini35 on Saturday 13th October 20:57

Julian Thompson

2,530 posts

238 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Yes I’d have to agree with the last poster there - we really have to accept that things have changed. And let’s be honest, developing a naturally aspirated engine wouldn’t cost more than developing a whole new hybrid tech system. The reason they don’t is because the age of the wonderful NA’s is gone now largely, and has been replaced by wonderful in a modern sense alternatives. It doesn’t make sense for money to be spent on things that won’t now take them forwards mid to longer term.

Having said all this, we have to remember that the F1 was not powered by a mclaren engine at all, so in fact the whole argument doesn’t seem to hang together that things have changed so much...

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 13th October 2018
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Don Colione said:
For those that need it spelled out...

The McLaren F1 (Gordon Murray's Car) - mid-seat layout, naturally aspirated V-12, manual gearbox, light weight focus, timeless iconic design - analogue.

The new McLaren "formula"-

Twin-turbo V8 - cheap easy power, no regards for N/A sound or response, recycled in some form or another since the 12-C in all their models

No Manual Gearbox - cheap easy gear changes, no real skill required or regard for true drivers who seek to master the demands of a manual transmission ( heel and toe, rev matching, etc.)

"Hybrid Technology" - adding a further layer of electronic interference between the driver and machine because developing a proper bespoke NA engine would be too expensive for the company.

"Name Changes" - This adds no real performance benefits except to ruse the less discerning, "wealthy", customers into thinking that a new model was actually developed, when all they are doing is changing body kits, exhausts, engine displacements, boost levels, interchanging interiors, and slightly altering the same basic body shell that was used in the 12-C.

Their biggest violation using the formula was Naming the 720S clone a "Senna", in an attempt to fool the less discerning in to thinking it was some kind of all new model, and charging a million plus for it. Yet they pulled it off using their propaganda channels, which will go unnamed.

Now Autocar is even making direct comparisons between the two cars which further exposes their similarity.

How come they don't do an Unbiased comparison between the P1 and the Senna?

They will continue to use this formula for the foreseeable future it seems, because their client base and fanboys seem to remain woefully unaware...
It’s 12C, not 12-C.