What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)

[Blown2CV]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

fking opinions thread isn't it... hence me saying "i thought". In any case not looking at the road is a far worse distraction than talking whilst looking - it's just fking obvious. Or do you need research to support the meaning of the word obvious.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Blown2CV said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

fking opinions thread isn't it... hence me saying "i thought". In any case not looking at the road is a far worse distraction than talking whilst looking - it's just fking obvious. Or do you need research to support the meaning of the word obvious.

No one is claiming that not looking at the road isn't dangerous. People on their phone don't develop an immunity to failing to look at the road. We're comparing people on the phone and those not on the phone, or people on the phone against people talking to a passenger, whilst both sets are looking at the road. Not looking at the road is dangerous to all drivers.

You did actually state "I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect" which is contrary to the actual evidence. So it's not unreasonable for me to ask what evidence your view is based on?

[ging84]

I hate puns
they're not particularly funny or clever, and I don't just think that because I can never think of any.

I particularly hate cheese puns

[DoubleD]

ging84 said:

I hate puns

because I can never think of any.

I particularly hate cheese buns

Good try

[thebigmacmoomin]

Blown2CV said:

In reality cats roam and do their own thing - they are always out and about. Who knows how far away from home they are.

My cat was hit outside my house & the previous one never left the boundary of the back garden. So not in all cases.

[Cantaloupe]

Bluetooth is not that much of a time saver really.

It's just as quick to connect your mobile to a laptop with an old fashioned cable to download photos or music than fat-arse about with
pairing and the infuriating inability of either device to talk to the other one.

[thebigmacmoomin]

Cantaloupe said:

Bluetooth is not that much of a time saver really.

I hate Bluetooth. If I connect my phone to the car via Bluetooth, it starts to stream music even though I've not asked for it to & I cannot stop it doing so. There is no setting for it, other than delete my music off my phone.

Before anybody asks, it doesn't appear to be phone specific. Just something that the sat-nav in my 2010 Focus does. Dads Sync2 has an option not to stream music.

[hyphen]

Find out which music file formats your car doesn't support, and then store them on your phone that way?

[thebigmacmoomin]

hyphen said:

Find out which music file formats your car doesn't support, and then store them on your phone that way?

That's an option. I was going to just delete it all off my phone as I don't remember the last time I listened to anything off it,

[Jaroon]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

I certainly agree with B2CV, if you can't talk and drive you shouldn't be driving. Both my XFR and current 135i have infotainment systems that are so slow that they present a significant distraction doing even basic functions let alone setting an address to navigate to. Obviously I am still obligated to drive with due care and attention but am breaking no laws. Someone less dexterous than myself is going to be overly distracted, no question. I assume state of the art stuff is voice command? I don't know. Also it's obvious, so twig can you post links to this abundance of very detailed research that is totally counter-intuitive you have studied, ie talking bad, phyical interactions with devices good/ less dangerous?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Jaroon said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

I certainly agree with B2CV, if you can't talk and drive you shouldn't be driving. Both my XFR and current 135i have infotainment systems that are so slow that they present a significant distraction doing even basic functions let alone setting an address to navigate to. Obviously I am still obligated to drive with due care and attention but am breaking no laws. Someone less dexterous than myself is going to be overly distracted, no question. I assume state of the art stuff is voice command? I don't know. Also it's obvious, so twig can you post links to this abundance of very detailed research that is totally counter-intuitive you have studied, ie talking bad, phyical interactions with devices good/ less dangerous?

There is a mountain of actual evidence, following studies of many drivers in controlled conditions, to show that talking on a hands free mobile device represents a far bigger distraction than talking to a passenger. Much is available online. This research is why this topic is currently in the news.

And as someone who uses a hands free device and takes and makes calls whilst driving, this seems completely obvious to me. There's an argument to say it shouldn't be banned, but to deny that the problem exists runs contrary to all the evidence, and is up there in stupidity with believing in creationism or that the holocaust didn't happen.

If that opinion is unpopular, so much the better.

[Jaroon]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Jaroon said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

I certainly agree with B2CV, if you can't talk and drive you shouldn't be driving. Both my XFR and current 135i have infotainment systems that are so slow that they present a significant distraction doing even basic functions let alone setting an address to navigate to. Obviously I am still obligated to drive with due care and attention but am breaking no laws. Someone less dexterous than myself is going to be overly distracted, no question. I assume state of the art stuff is voice command? I don't know. Also it's obvious, so twig can you post links to this abundance of very detailed research that is totally counter-intuitive you have studied, ie talking bad, phyical interactions with devices good/ less dangerous?

There is a mountain of actual evidence, following studies of many drivers in controlled conditions, to show that talking on a hands free mobile device represents a far bigger distraction than talking to a passenger. Much is available online. This research is why this topic is currently in the news.

And as someone who uses a hands free device and takes and makes calls whilst driving, this seems completely obvious to me. There's an argument to say it shouldn't be banned, but to deny that the problem exists runs contrary to all the evidence, and is up there in stupidity with believing in creationism or that the holocaust didn't happen.

If that opinion is unpopular, so much the better.

Yes but B2CV was talking about the aspect of physical interaction with your device, you quoted it, then disputed it, then created a strawman by completely ignoring your assertion and going on about hands free vs. talking to a passenger. Both B2CV both and I are talking about physical interaction, that is a much bigger distraction especially with older tech. Anyway no worries you've changed the discussion to a completely obvious and different point and brought up the holocaust, business as usual, as you were

[DoubleD]

I would imagine that it would come down to what your conversation was about.

Chatting about quantum physics is obviously more taxing than chatting about what to have for dinner.

[Roger Irrelevant]

DoubleD said:

I would imagine that it would come down to what your conversation was about.

Chatting about quantum physics is obviously more taxing than chatting about what to have for dinner.

Try going to a restaurant with my sister in law.

[Spanglepants]

Every time i drive my car one of the first things i do before setting off is connecting my phone by aux lead, put internet radio on ( Absolute 70s if you must know ) then put that in the background still playing if i need to use Waze as well. I don't use the cars radio so after I've done that i can drive for however long without touching the phone again. So if this comes in i couldn't do that ? Makes no sense, I also very very rarely get a call on the phone while driving which i don't always answer anyway.

[captain_cynic]

If you think you are capable of driving and talking on the phone (hands free or otherwise) then you shouldn't be permitted to drive... Or breed for that matter.

[Europa1]

I don't think the girl in the Trivago ad is that good looking.

There, I've said it.

[ging84]

captain_cynic said:

If you think you are capable of driving and talking on the phone (hands free or otherwise) then you shouldn't be permitted to drive... Or breed for that matter.

I think those who don't believe anyone is capable of independent though or judgement should not be allowed to vote.

[Blown2CV]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

fking opinions thread isn't it... hence me saying "i thought". In any case not looking at the road is a far worse distraction than talking whilst looking - it's just fking obvious. Or do you need research to support the meaning of the word obvious.

No one is claiming that not looking at the road isn't dangerous. People on their phone don't develop an immunity to failing to look at the road. We're comparing people on the phone and those not on the phone, or people on the phone against people talking to a passenger, whilst both sets are looking at the road. Not looking at the road is dangerous to all drivers.

You did actually state "I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect" which is contrary to the actual evidence. So it's not unreasonable for me to ask what evidence your view is based on?

yea but for fks sake, driving is a risk compromise. In order to totally remove risk - let's all stay home. When we acknowledge we cannot stay home, then we accept some risk. Liken it to this. Why not compare a car doing 30mph to a car doing 10mph, and then conclude that because the car doing 10mph is safer, then firstly let's redefine 30mph as maniac unsafe crazy should be made illegal speed, and then secondly conclude that 10mph is the new blanket speed limit. Except you can't stop there because the risk is not zero... so then all cars need to made of cushions. Then we all have to drive at 1mph. Then all cars have to have a constantly sounding klaxon so they can be heard coming. A hands free phone call is far far better than a 'hands on' call. Comparing it to not being on the phone at all. You may as well compare someone in a car driving 90mph to someone reading a kindle in bed. My evidence is non-existent other than it is quite clear that humans can talk and also do another thing at the same time.

[Blown2CV]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Blown2CV said:

i always thought the vast majority of the distraction with using a phone whilst driving was the physical aspects like holding and looking at the device itself. I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect.

Interesting. Are you going to publish your detailed research on the matter, to counteract the very detailed and independent research that goes against what you are saying?

After all, I'm sure you're not disagreeing with years of actual scientific studies based on your hunch. because that would be a bit foolish.

fking opinions thread isn't it... hence me saying "i thought". In any case not looking at the road is a far worse distraction than talking whilst looking - it's just fking obvious. Or do you need research to support the meaning of the word obvious.

No one is claiming that not looking at the road isn't dangerous. People on their phone don't develop an immunity to failing to look at the road. We're comparing people on the phone and those not on the phone, or people on the phone against people talking to a passenger, whilst both sets are looking at the road. Not looking at the road is dangerous to all drivers.

You did actually state "I don't agree that talking whilst driving has a massive distraction effect" which is contrary to the actual evidence. So it's not unreasonable for me to ask what evidence your view is based on?

also when doing your advanced driving test one of the main things used to be that you had to vocally describe every single manoeuvre, describe what you are doing, where you are looking, what you have spotted. It can't really be that unsafe.