What are your unpopular opinions? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Cliftonite said:
The current trend for taking valuable road space that is in continuous use by motor vehicles and reserving it instead for the occasional cyclist, should be stopped and, indeed, reversed! The obvious increase in congestion and pollution so caused should be recognized for the significant problem that it is.
Er... you realise this is the UNpopular opinions thread on Pistonheads right? 
Since moving to somewhere with decent cycle lanes my unpopular (to PH) opinion is that there should be more cycle lanes. I cycle everywhere these days, it's brilliant. The trouble is the amount of badly thought out cycle paths that are s
t for cyclists so nobody uses them. Put in decent cycling infrastructure that people actually use and it reduces the amount of cars on the road, win-win for everyone.I’m far from a militant cyclist, but will cycle to work if I’m not going to get saturated.
A big positive move would be separating skin and bone from 30+ MPH moving metal weighing 2 tonnes piloted by a constantly distracted fallible human being.
Completely separating them would be a serious positive shift.
A big positive move would be separating skin and bone from 30+ MPH moving metal weighing 2 tonnes piloted by a constantly distracted fallible human being.
Completely separating them would be a serious positive shift.
LetsTryAgain said:
I’m far from a militant cyclist, but will cycle to work if I’m not going to get saturated.
A big positive move would be separating skin and bone from 30+ MPH moving metal weighing 2 tonnes piloted by a constantly distracted fallible human being.
Completely separating them would be a serious positive shift.
In 90 percent of cases, there simply isn't the space. A big positive move would be separating skin and bone from 30+ MPH moving metal weighing 2 tonnes piloted by a constantly distracted fallible human being.
Completely separating them would be a serious positive shift.
And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
OpulentBob said:
In 90 percent of cases, there simply isn't the space.
And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Spend some time in Amsterdam and let us know what you think.And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Space and infrastructure isn't the issue. It's culture and attitude.
deckster said:
OpulentBob said:
In 90 percent of cases, there simply isn't the space.
And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Spend some time in Amsterdam and let us know what you think.And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Space and infrastructure isn't the issue. It's culture and attitude.
in amsterdam the actual cycling infrastructure is a total nightmare. Yes there is a lot of it, but it crosses roads and pavements everywhere. People cycle fast, and pedestrians stumble around because everyone is stoned. Near misses happen all the time, and yet it is held up as the best place to cycle anywhere!
mat205125 said:
Even as a cyclist I wish they'd get rid of cycle lanes
I never use them as they start and stop too abruptly and also double as gutters and drains where all manner of broken glass and plastic ends up
And people walk in them, kids wobble in and out of their lanes, overtakes involve passing someone who has no awareness of your approach and they tend to be very narrow leaving no where to go to avoid an inevitable crash. I'd much rather cycle on a wider road. I'd much rather put myself as the cyclist closer to harms way then a unsuspecting pedestrian. I never use them as they start and stop too abruptly and also double as gutters and drains where all manner of broken glass and plastic ends up
I loved cycling in Amsterdam but this may be related to a combination of being on holiday, pedestrians respecting the cycle paths more and the lack of traffic where I was cycling around.
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
ambuletz said:
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
Exercise strengthens your immune system, alcohol weakens it. but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
ambuletz said:
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
You seem to be arguing from a position assuming the Gov knows what they're doing and there's some sort of logical sequence to all this. but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
That is your mistake.
I'd imagine pub trade lobbied Al Johnson harder than the gym trade.
deckster said:
OpulentBob said:
In 90 percent of cases, there simply isn't the space.
And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Spend some time in Amsterdam and let us know what you think.And in the rest of the cases, the integration with the rest of the infrastructure can be problematic. The reason cycling works as a commuting tool is that you can nip through tight gaps in traffic etc. To formalise it and allow the space, with the separation and regulated phases at signals etc, if obeyed, would negate much of the (often perceived) time saving.
Space and infrastructure isn't the issue. It's culture and attitude.
Amsterdam isn't the be-all and end-all. Dutch cyclists still moan about their cycle lanes, dutch drivers moan when road space is removed for cycle lane provision. They moan that scooters use them too fast. They moan that delivery vehicles park in them, not admitting that the delivery areas have been removed to make way for the cycle lane. They HATE tram tracks. They don't like cargo bikes. There are plenty of moans that I'm pretty sure would just get repeated here. Standard Dutch cyclists are also nothing like the Lycra Lance's we get. Sit up and beg bikes (much better visibility and easier to start/stop than the Eddy Merckx style droppers, where maintaining speed comes above all else), very little racing clobber anywhere, very few cyclists running red lights, or riding in ped areas etc. Everybody tends to obey the rules there, which you rarely see here.
You are correct above - Attitude is very important. If British cyclists (especially urban cyclists) had the approach of your stereotypical dutch cyclists, there would be far less animosity between Cyclist and the general population. IMO.
And space and infrastructure are very important. There isn't the space to put in cycle lanes in our ancient towns and cities, to give 25%+ of the available road space to less than 1% of the traffic - who will refuse to use it anyway, if they think it is in any way slower than the road.
So yeah, the Dutch. Don't believe everything you read. Go and spend a month commuting around there on a bike (urban areas, peak periods) and let us know how different you think it is, honestly.
Interesting: https://idealog.co.nz/urban/2018/08/why-cycling-am...
Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 6th July 08:08
LetsTryAgain said:
ambuletz said:
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
You seem to be arguing from a position assuming the Gov knows what they're doing and there's some sort of logical sequence to all this. but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
That is your mistake.
I'd imagine pub trade lobbied Al Johnson harder than the gym trade.
Both western nations being run by ludicrously haired bungling fugwits are keeping their own popularity as number one priority.
LetsTryAgain said:
ambuletz said:
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
You seem to be arguing from a position assuming the Gov knows what they're doing and there's some sort of logical sequence to all this. but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
That is your mistake.
I'd imagine pub trade lobbied Al Johnson harder than the gym trade.
DoubleD said:
I would imagine that it has more to do with the number of jobs involved with this industry. We need this industry to survive for the good of the country so thats probably why they picked it over gyms.
If that was the concern, then almost entirely close down the economy in the first place wasn’t an intelligent thing to do.DoubleD said:
LetsTryAgain said:
ambuletz said:
mentioned this in another thread...
but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
You seem to be arguing from a position assuming the Gov knows what they're doing and there's some sort of logical sequence to all this. but i couldn't care less about pubs/resstaurants opening. i think its unfair they can open first but gyms cant. people who are gagging for the pub probably don't care about exercise or never have.
if everyones in the pub/restuarants..then surely it makes more sense to open the gyms as not many will wana go? many pubs/resturants are heavily busy for 6-7hours solid, in a given day, with people hanging about for 2-3hours with several people at once.
a gym however, might be busy in 1 hour in the morning, and 1-2 hours in the evening. people go by themselves and many don't spend longer than 1hour. many will be well distanced from one another too... i've never worked out within 2m of anyone.
That is your mistake.
I'd imagine pub trade lobbied Al Johnson harder than the gym trade.
king HIIT class and breathing in everyone else's cloud of expelled gases. Plus to be honest it's also risky and a pain in the arse for the unfortunate staff in gyms to have to clean the equipment even more regularly and thoroughly than they already do. If you really have a st on about gyms still being shut then go buy a fking bike or do some pull-ups on a tree in the garden or something. If a person hasn't after 4 months worked out a way to do exercise without a gym then maybe it really isn't as much of a massive priority for them than they'd like everyone to think it is. LetsTryAgain said:
DoubleD said:
I would imagine that it has more to do with the number of jobs involved with this industry. We need this industry to survive for the good of the country so thats probably why they picked it over gyms.
If that was the concern, then almost entirely close down the economy in the first place wasn’t an intelligent thing to do.lampchair said:
Hindsight is always 20/20
Nothing to do with hindsight at all. Anyone with the slightest critical ability could see that closing down the economy and throwing away what was left of our civil liberties wasn’t going to end well and was an absurd over reaction from the get go.We should have acted responsibly, with caution and proportion.
LetsTryAgain said:
lampchair said:
Hindsight is always 20/20
Nothing to do with hindsight at all. Anyone with the slightest critical ability could see that closing down the economy and throwing away what was left of our civil liberties wasn’t going to end well and was an absurd over reaction from the get go.We should have acted responsibly, with caution and proportion.
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