The wet and windy, with occasional snow, 2019/2020 thread
Discussion
MOBB said:
S100HP said:
Utterly bored of all this rain. Everywhere is a muddy bog. No fun.
+1I moved house in November, now got a lovely large garden and walks nearby, hardly used either as its always just squelchy everywhere
Normally out on the mountain bike at least one night per week midweek, plus at least one day weekends.
Had to make do with accompanying Mrs Digga to a trip (indoor bike) class last weekend. None of the gang can be bothered to head out mid week. It's not just the slop either - the twigs and debris from the winds clog your gear up a treat every mile or so too.
Normally, rain, snow, ice we're out without fail, but this month's taken the piss big time.
Digga said:
MOBB said:
S100HP said:
Utterly bored of all this rain. Everywhere is a muddy bog. No fun.
+1I moved house in November, now got a lovely large garden and walks nearby, hardly used either as its always just squelchy everywhere
Normally out on the mountain bike at least one night per week midweek, plus at least one day weekends.
Had to make do with accompanying Mrs Digga to a trip (indoor bike) class last weekend. None of the gang can be bothered to head out mid week. It's not just the slop either - the twigs and debris from the winds clog your gear up a treat every mile or so too.
Normally, rain, snow, ice we're out without fail, but this month's taken the piss big time.
Miserable.
Wading though mud everywhere, dog doesn't go out as far or often, I need hosing off after tree planting on a muddy sloping site, cars are caked in mud inside and out, landscaping garden in thick clay, dig a hole and it fills up with water.
Every field, footpath and gateway is thick mud. Steams have sprung up where there's no right to be, not even a frost to firm things up.
Digga said:
In Engineering terms, relieving flooding on the upper or middle Severn is incredibly difficult. You'd really need to create huge storm water reservoirs and I'm not sure where you'd locate them.
Absolutely agree. This is all prime farmland and housing areas too so very expensive. As is often the case in engineering I think the Welsh have the right idea, the Severn floodplain at Welshpool is largely undeveloped and is simply allowed to flood when you get heavy rainfall. Infrastructure is largely unaffected. ChocolateFrog said:
When we had all the flooding earlier on in the winter in South Yorkshire/Lincolnshire I happened to be down south and it barely registered to the people i was talking to. Now the flooding has moved down south it suddenly feels like it's a much bigger issue.
This current flooding isn't exactly in the south though is it? Wales and the West Midlands have been the worst affected so far. It's a big issue because these floods have been literally unprecedented in terms of amount of rainfall and scale of flooding. Houses and areas which have never experienced flooding have been inundated and areas which often flood have been much more badly impacted upon.We had what I would regard as normal flooding just before Christmas and also in November but this was really severe.
PositronicRay said:
Digga said:
MOBB said:
S100HP said:
Utterly bored of all this rain. Everywhere is a muddy bog. No fun.
+1I moved house in November, now got a lovely large garden and walks nearby, hardly used either as its always just squelchy everywhere
Normally out on the mountain bike at least one night per week midweek, plus at least one day weekends.
Had to make do with accompanying Mrs Digga to a trip (indoor bike) class last weekend. None of the gang can be bothered to head out mid week. It's not just the slop either - the twigs and debris from the winds clog your gear up a treat every mile or so too.
Normally, rain, snow, ice we're out without fail, but this month's taken the piss big time.
Miserable.
Wading though mud everywhere, dog doesn't go out as far or often, I need hosing off after tree planting on a muddy sloping site, cars are caked in mud inside and out, landscaping garden in thick clay, dig a hole and it fills up with water.
Every field, footpath and gateway is thick mud. Steams have sprung up where there's no right to be, not even a frost to firm things up.
warch said:
Digga said:
In Engineering terms, relieving flooding on the upper or middle Severn is incredibly difficult. You'd really need to create huge storm water reservoirs and I'm not sure where you'd locate them.
Absolutely agree. This is all prime farmland and housing areas too so very expensive. As is often the case in engineering I think the Welsh have the right idea, the Severn floodplain at Welshpool is largely undeveloped and is simply allowed to flood when you get heavy rainfall. Infrastructure is largely unaffected. Can't see where you would find land for upper / middle Severn.
Re more of a thing being made about current situation than flooding in Yorks / Lincs. Perhaps it's more of a case of having nothing significant to say on the detail other than expressing great sympathy with those affected. On the lower reaches flooding of farmland it seems like only a couple of weeks ago where scenes were still very much reminiscent of the Somerset Levels flooding. Long time after the storm and drowned vehicles just emerging. On the other hand it did seem that not the same effort to deploy massive pumps had been made. Could be wrong in my impression.
warch said:
ChocolateFrog said:
When we had all the flooding earlier on in the winter in South Yorkshire/Lincolnshire I happened to be down south and it barely registered to the people i was talking to. Now the flooding has moved down south it suddenly feels like it's a much bigger issue.
This current flooding isn't exactly in the south though is it? Wales and the West Midlands have been the worst affected so far. It's a big issue because these floods have been literally unprecedented in terms of amount of rainfall and scale of flooding. Houses and areas which have never experienced flooding have been inundated and areas which often flood have been much more badly impacted upon.We had what I would regard as normal flooding just before Christmas and also in November but this was really severe.
Add in the issue that by stopping the rivers flooding like we do then you don't top up the sediment in the flood plain, and you stick a huge weight of concrete and rocks on top (towns and cities) and the ground will subside making it lower, with no new sediments to raise the level from small floods. Plus of course the previously talked about concrete runoff etc.
As a geologist you see loads of stuff like the floods we have now in the rock record, with flood deposits continuing for kilometers. It's just they happen so infrequently for our lifetime we don't see many.
It's a bit like CO2. We are adding lots of CO2, but in reality the current levels are "only" around what they were 2 to 5 million years ago. When the age of the earth is around 4 540 000 000 years then it's nothing like a problem for the earth that it won't recover from. It's just we've built and consider stuff to be stable, and it's not. And with increased CO2 that instability will have more change even quicker. We should then be placing new housing in different places higher up etc, but that adds cost, and perhaps doesn't come with the pretty riverside view.
NRS said:
They're not really unprecedented though. It's just they don't occur regularly enough that people consider them for planning etc. Quite a few of the levels are less than was it 1967 or something? So they maybe occur say once or twice in a lift time. People then forget, everyone wants a beautiful view and cheap houses, so a bunch of the new stuff gets stuck on the floodplain as it has a good view and is already nice and flat with rocks to level etc.
Add in the issue that by stopping the rivers flooding like we do then you don't top up the sediment in the flood plain, and you stick a huge weight of concrete and rocks on top (towns and cities) and the ground will subside making it lower, with no new sediments to raise the level from small floods. Plus of course the previously talked about concrete runoff etc.
As a geologist you see loads of stuff like the floods we have now in the rock record, with flood deposits continuing for kilometers. It's just they happen so infrequently for our lifetime we don't see many.
It's a bit like CO2. We are adding lots of CO2, but in reality the current levels are "only" around what they were 2 to 5 million years ago. When the age of the earth is around 4 540 000 000 years then it's nothing like a problem for the earth that it won't recover from. It's just we've built and consider stuff to be stable, and it's not. And with increased CO2 that instability will have more change even quicker. We should then be placing new housing in different places higher up etc, but that adds cost, and perhaps doesn't come with the pretty riverside view.
A good post. In the geological timeframe, we have never really lived in a colder time period than the past couple of million years, and of course there were quite long periods in Earth's prehistory when there was no ice at all and the planet was much much warmer. But there is some indication that for whatever reason that things are changing quite rapidly, and people really should look at ways of dealing with this. Hemming rivers in and preventing relatively safe but property damaging expansion of excess water onto flood plains is exacerbating the issue in many places.Add in the issue that by stopping the rivers flooding like we do then you don't top up the sediment in the flood plain, and you stick a huge weight of concrete and rocks on top (towns and cities) and the ground will subside making it lower, with no new sediments to raise the level from small floods. Plus of course the previously talked about concrete runoff etc.
As a geologist you see loads of stuff like the floods we have now in the rock record, with flood deposits continuing for kilometers. It's just they happen so infrequently for our lifetime we don't see many.
It's a bit like CO2. We are adding lots of CO2, but in reality the current levels are "only" around what they were 2 to 5 million years ago. When the age of the earth is around 4 540 000 000 years then it's nothing like a problem for the earth that it won't recover from. It's just we've built and consider stuff to be stable, and it's not. And with increased CO2 that instability will have more change even quicker. We should then be placing new housing in different places higher up etc, but that adds cost, and perhaps doesn't come with the pretty riverside view.
Downward said:
I’ve been visiting Bewdley for many many years so remember the floods and the times before the barriers. Looked at a few houses the road by the cock and magpies. Still looking to move down there sometime. Anyway always kept an eye on river levels over the past 30 years or so and this year it rose extremely quickly in 1 day hence why they were caught out with Beales Corner.
Iron bridge is also really high and Upper Arley it’s about 5 foot under the foot bridge and over the car parks.
Watched the facebook groups last night and this morning as it was very close to the barriers.
Still nice to see the chippy open and people eating outside.
Assume Bewdley Sports club is underwater at the end of Stourport Road ?
BSC didn't look too bad when. I went last earlier in the week. Admittedly you can only see the front from Stourport Road ( also the road we live on) Iron bridge is also really high and Upper Arley it’s about 5 foot under the foot bridge and over the car parks.
Watched the facebook groups last night and this morning as it was very close to the barriers.
Still nice to see the chippy open and people eating outside.
Assume Bewdley Sports club is underwater at the end of Stourport Road ?
The picture of people eating chips with their small child next to the groaning flood defences made me
Other day outside the chippy there was this, and I apologise for the terminology, horrible ugly fat woman with an equally horrible child looking at the area behind the flood barriers on Severnside North and loudly complaining "So where am we going to sit and eat us chips then?" You can guess the accent.
Apparently even though level dropping bridge to remain closed for some weeks for structural checks. Some boozers running out as no means to get deliveries.
Some nice houses on your road CTO, daughter keeps looking online everytime one comes up, don't know why, as first time buyer out of her price range.
Apparently even though level dropping bridge to remain closed for some weeks for structural checks. Some boozers running out as no means to get deliveries.
Some nice houses on your road CTO, daughter keeps looking online everytime one comes up, don't know why, as first time buyer out of her price range.
Wet Feb tends to lead to dry/warm March: https://twitter.com/supercell_1996/status/12305723...
csd19 said:
cuprabob said:
Here in west central Scotland in the last hour we've had, sun, rain, hail and snow accompanied by wind and thunder. Half expecting a load of frogs or a plaque of locust next 
Summer's come early then??Headed back south tomorrow and it looks like we'll be heading through heavy rain from Penrith to Birmingham.
Puggit said:
Wet Feb tends to lead to dry/warm March: https://twitter.com/supercell_1996/status/12305723...
Yeah. 
(just mentioned this to wife beast. She muttered something about damn statistics, and having had enough of experts)
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