The wet and windy, with occasional snow, 2019/2020 thread
Discussion
RicksAlfas said:
Sounds grim. Hope you manage OK. Whereabouts are you (very approximately)?
Thanks, personally we'll be ok home and buildings wise.Within walking distance of River Severn in N Worcestershire. Which sounds worse than it is, in terms of elevation we are above, really well above the highest ever recorded flood level. Though I guess others could say that, eg Derbyshire Derwent broke historical records last week. But we're ok yet near enough that on the morning dog walk daily take him down the hill onto the fields which are technically flood plain to take a look at the river. In fact we were down there a week last Monday exactly the moment the river topped the bank and the dog had a surprise paddle.Having said that though it's classed as flood plain, downstream in Worcester the racecourse and county cricket ground can be well underwater, Bewdley upstream can be closed off, various riverside caravan sites evacuated, but it's not onto our fields, not even close to overtopping, thus not so bad.
Thing is at the moment I've never seen the river rising so fast with so little rain, simply because every where is saturated. On the Sunday morning we'd walked down and the river was up about a metre from normal which isn't unusual though knew from the Bewdley gauge it was destined to rise sharply, by the afternoon it had risen so much that navigation signs for boaters were beginning to be submerged. 10 pm went to have a quick look as the residents in the lock keepers' cottages were having trouble with their sump pump and needed some help and the navigation signs were now well under.
Today road and school closures coming in, A44 West of Worcester not far from office will be closed soon. Guess the pumps on Hylton road will be deployed soon too, as Severn is full and rising.
Must have been a lot of rain overnight in MK. Flooding not often a problem here due to the separate surface water skewers that flow into balancing lakes. But quite a few roads closed today because of standing water. Looks like clogged drains to blame.
I dont think we've had more than a couple of days go by without it raining
I dont think we've had more than a couple of days go by without it raining
A few inches of snow up on the Cat and Fiddle right now. Some abandoned cars and the self-appointed 4x4 emergency rescue brigade. Old landies and horribly bright lights all along the roof. Do wish they'd go forth and multiply, it used to be beautifully peaceful up here in the snow but these wallies are a regular feature now.
popeyewhite said:
A few inches of snow up on the Cat and Fiddle right now. Some abandoned cars and the self-appointed 4x4 emergency rescue brigade. Old landies and horribly bright lights all along the roof. Do wish they'd go forth and multiply, it used to be beautifully peaceful up here in the snow but these wallies are a regular feature now.
:haha:There is a whole thread dedicated to these and other "Misfits and Dad's Army Types" somewhere on here.
"One life, spend it fixing Land Rovers"
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ETA, found the thread for your amusement: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by Digga on Friday 15th November 07:46
Scabutz said:
Must have been a lot of rain overnight in MK. Flooding not often a problem here due to the separate surface water skewers that flow into balancing lakes. But quite a few roads closed today because of standing water. Looks like clogged drains to blame.
I dont think we've had more than a couple of days go by without it raining
It was bad in mk Kingston was a bit wet.I dont think we've had more than a couple of days go by without it raining
Models have been hinting at a Sudden Stratospheric Warming for a while now - without really showing it progressing. Things are firming up, but it's not certain. Would occur in around 16 days time, and as before, the effects normally take a few weeks to show themselves.
So - not certain it will happen, not certain it will affect us.
So - not certain it will happen, not certain it will affect us.
SSW is one of the greatest drivers for a cold spell. A pool of extremely cold air sits above the North Pole during winter, and is trapped there by winds heading from west to east (including the jet stream - which generally keeps us warm and wet). During an SSW event, the cold air breaks free and breaks the west to east winds, allowing east to west. For the UK, anything the comes with any westerly factor means ocean air - 'warm'.
When the wind come from the east, it comes from Russia and Scandinavia, with little sea to cross (but enough to bring some moisture...). So it's cold, doesn't warm up, can bring precipitation.
Lots of ifs, lots of maybes - some potential. Those 2 amazing winters 9 years ago involved SSW.
More reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_stratospheric...
When the wind come from the east, it comes from Russia and Scandinavia, with little sea to cross (but enough to bring some moisture...). So it's cold, doesn't warm up, can bring precipitation.
Lots of ifs, lots of maybes - some potential. Those 2 amazing winters 9 years ago involved SSW.
More reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_stratospheric...
RicksAlfas said:
Puggit said:
Those 2 amazing winters 9 years ago involved SSW.
They weren't good for the local BMW'ists though!
On the way there in my Discovery, the verges and ditches were littered with RWD BMW's and Mercs and other abandoned ships. There was literally no one else on the road. While I was in the takeaway, I looked out the window to the two mini roundabouts outside, and a chap was merrily and very gracefully drifting his way through them in a Morris Minor. Kudos.
Puggit said:
Models have been hinting at a Sudden Stratospheric Warming for a while now - without really showing it progressing. Things are firming up, but it's not certain. Would occur in around 16 days time, and as before, the effects normally take a few weeks to show themselves.
So - not certain it will happen, not certain it will affect us.
So - not certain it will happen, not certain it will affect us.
Digga said:
I though it was the Gulf Stream ocean currents that keep UK winters mild?
The cold and wet of the last few weeks was the Jet Stream pushing cold weather at us from West and North.
Fair comment. They work together driving west to east. The jet stream can dive south of us and allow cold air in, the gulf stream is pretty much steadily pushing warm water around us. The cold and wet of the last few weeks was the Jet Stream pushing cold weather at us from West and North.
I ventured out to work and abandoned it when it was snowing in a RWD BMW, it managed fine*, but there was a Mitsubishi Animal thing on its side ont he roundabout 
- As long as there were no gradients.
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