International Men's Day - November 19th 2019
Discussion
Bill said:
You clearly feel strongly about this, whereas I'm a bit more flippant but surely any societal issue with men being violent is due to the historical patriarchy? Men were in control with the strongest at the top and women were meek (well, mostly). This is changing, with gang violence involving more women particularly. But that's equality for you. 
I don’t feel hugely strongly about it, but I think they have a point. I can see that campaigns for gender equality in the areas in which men are disadvantaged get lumped in with MRA sorts and dismissed. That's not necessarily a typo. Depending on the original creator's background, they may normally use a comma for a decimal place.
I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
But anyway, that aside, I don't have any problem with the idea of a men's day to highlight issues that disproportionately affect men, but these kinds of things can become a bit tit-for-tat and a little too much leaning toward "but what about [insert group here]" rather than "frankly, life can be a bit s
t for everyone, in different specific ways".
I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
But anyway, that aside, I don't have any problem with the idea of a men's day to highlight issues that disproportionately affect men, but these kinds of things can become a bit tit-for-tat and a little too much leaning toward "but what about [insert group here]" rather than "frankly, life can be a bit s
t for everyone, in different specific ways".InitialDave said:
That's not necessarily a typo. Depending on the original creator's background, they may normally use a comma for a decimal place.
I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
I was actually thinking of the "ON THE WORKPLACE"I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
Good point about testicular cancer, is it true is has a higher mortality rate than breast cancer but much less funding for research?
jumare said:
InitialDave said:
That's not necessarily a typo. Depending on the original creator's background, they may normally use a comma for a decimal place.
I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
I was actually thinking of the "ON THE WORKPLACE"I use both, it's common with engineering drawings to have imperial measurements as, say, .100", with the metric being 2,54.
Good point about testicular cancer, is it true is has a higher mortality rate than breast cancer but much less funding for research?
Jasandjules said:
csd19 said:
Jasandjules said:
A pity it does not mention testicular cancer rates.
Or prostate cancer.Data is not entirely consistent in periods (all over 2014 - 17), but gives a picture of the situation.
11,700 men died of prostate cancer (with 44.7k cases)
11,370 women died of breast cancer (with 55k cases)
4,100 women died of ovarian cancer
82 men died of breast cancer
65 men died of testicular cancer
So you are correct, on absolutely numbers and on % mortality. However the highest mortality rate for prostate cancer is in the 90+ age range.
One can survive a long time with prostate cancer.
All of which is true, none of which stops cancer research being an essential development into both men and women’s incidence and mortality from cancers.
The environment I work in puts a lot of effort in to "celebrating" Women's day, promoting "women in work" all year round, and generally trying to beat into us blokes that "your reign of terror over us is over". International Men's Day got a footnote in an unrelated weekly communication and was celebrated by one of the women bringing some cakes in.
Vocal champions of equality, feminists (and in fact most -ists) are disgusting, hateful creatures who revel in the opportunity to "dethrone white man and drag him to the gutter". I prefer myself to try to positively promote equality suggesting we should be held to the same standards, employed for the right reasons and paid commensurately, not by blocking white men from employment and promotion. How many women want to be sat there thinking "was I employed because they needed a woman?"
Vocal champions of equality, feminists (and in fact most -ists) are disgusting, hateful creatures who revel in the opportunity to "dethrone white man and drag him to the gutter". I prefer myself to try to positively promote equality suggesting we should be held to the same standards, employed for the right reasons and paid commensurately, not by blocking white men from employment and promotion. How many women want to be sat there thinking "was I employed because they needed a woman?"
wolfracesonic said:
Cheib said:
Amazingly the typical jobs where those 92% of workplace fatalities occur are not always the ones that women and campaigning to do....
I think equality in the workplace is only required when that workplace is a cosy, warm office.Bill said:
No. Although I can't think of any examples outside occasional women bosses who prefer hiring men.
How is it systematic? I guess there's the chivalric tradition that you don't hit women, but that's based on them being goods and chattels.
Just as a matter of interest what empirical evidence are you using for the claim that women were good and chattels (presumably you mean historically)? How is it systematic? I guess there's the chivalric tradition that you don't hit women, but that's based on them being goods and chattels.
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