When will we be able to go to the pub again?
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SCEtoAUX said:
It's all b
ks.
You can have a table of six people, all from different households, all sat next to each other. They then decide to swap things around a bit because their mates are at another table, so they end up mixing just the same as if there were twelve sat at one table.
In fact, you could argue that letting twelve people sit together is safer anyway as they on't move round the pub garden.
Of course this is just tinkering at the edges anyway, because any fool can see that there are vast swathes of the country with very, very low COVID levels, and people should just be getting their freedoms back right now.
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed away again.ks. You can have a table of six people, all from different households, all sat next to each other. They then decide to swap things around a bit because their mates are at another table, so they end up mixing just the same as if there were twelve sat at one table.
In fact, you could argue that letting twelve people sit together is safer anyway as they on't move round the pub garden.
Of course this is just tinkering at the edges anyway, because any fool can see that there are vast swathes of the country with very, very low COVID levels, and people should just be getting their freedoms back right now.
Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Tuesday 13th April 01:22
Looking at the pictures on dailyfail from the night before. I notice many pubs seemed to have cordoned off roads around their pubs for people to sit..while i can understand possibly doing it in a city centre where some roads might not get used... there are some pubs that are are around residential areas that have the roads blocked off.
not sure how to feel about that.
not sure how to feel about that.
Wolfmanjack said:
They’ll almost certainly be removed!
Chance of cross contamination and Covid Insta death
Gyms (mine anyway) can’t have punch bags now for some bizarre reason.
I’m my local they did remove cues but then us locals brought our own in which is fine. Chance of cross contamination and Covid Insta death
Gyms (mine anyway) can’t have punch bags now for some bizarre reason.
Hand gel and using a cue doesn’t really work well with the wood.
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed away again.
It is odd isn’t it - simple (though mental health yielding restrictions) rules for a period of time to kill off the virus to an extent life will be very very normal. I’d say it’s the same reason why we as a nation cannot keep to diets to get healthy and lose weight rather we are on average a fatty overweight nation, and the fifties amongst us do nothing to help fatties get like them (as who would want to be a fatty)Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Tuesday 13th April 01:22
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed away again.
You seem to be a victim of Project Fear. What did everyone do so wrong last year please? There were no spikes after the crowds on the beaches etc. The numbers started to increase in the autumn as viruses often do.Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Tuesday 13th April 01:22
Edited by bad company on Tuesday 13th April 09:58
bad company said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed away again.
You seem to be a victim of Project Fear. What did everyone do so wrong last year please?Edited by Maximus_Meridius101 on Tuesday 13th April 01:22
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-02-17/no-covid-19-ou...
They went to the beach without a thought, without a care, thinking 'No-one tells ME what to do'
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed a
Have you got evidence for this please? Uggers said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
If it wasn’t for the fact that the numbers of people in hospital and (particularly ) in ICUs is actually currently 4 times higher in the U.K. than at the previous ‘low water mark’ there might have been a chance that people would be given all their freedoms back a bit sooner. Unfortunately ( yet again ) too many people decided lockdown wasn’t for them, too soon, and now we’re all paying for it ( again ). It seems that far too many people think this situation is some sort of comedy, that they don’t need to take at all seriously. Well if there are repeats of last year’s performances when restrictions were lifted, and anything unexpected happens with the virus, and / or vaccination programme, we’ll be back to another batch of restrictions on our lives, and the dream of being able to get back to the pub, or whatever, like we used to, will be pushed a
Have you got evidence for this please? I'm probably being paranoid, but I can see them shutting hospitality down again anyway; the tiniest upward movement and they'll just whack-a-mole it. It's the easiest thing for them to say "look! We are controlling the virus".
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
nonsequitur said:
No covid outbreaks due to crowded beaches? That is dated from Feb 2021, months after the events highlighted. When all those people decided to go to the beach - or other leisure locations - they had little idea that the disease would not spread as many of us thought it might.
They went to the beach without a thought, without a care, thinking 'No-one tells ME what to do'
Classic ‘ they had little idea that the disease would not spread as many of us thought it might.’ Well it didn’t. I’m going out in my car shortly which might be risky should I crash but you know what, I have this one life to live so I’m going to chance it.They went to the beach without a thought, without a care, thinking 'No-one tells ME what to do'
As I said there was no spike after the crowds on beaches and in London protesting etc.
Dog Star said:
I'm probably being paranoid, but I can see them shutting hospitality down again anyway; the tiniest upward movement and they'll just whack-a-mole it. It's the easiest thing for them to say "look! We are controlling the virus".
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I'd put money on leisure, hospitality & personal services being closed down again before the year is out. If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Dog Star said:
I'm probably being paranoid, but I can see them shutting hospitality down again anyway; the tiniest upward movement and they'll just whack-a-mole it. It's the easiest thing for them to say "look! We are controlling the virus".
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
You're not being paranoid. You're being realistic. We are now truly a health and safety driven, risk averse society, and the government either don't have the bottle to admit we'll have to live with it and just allow us to crack on, or they simply don't want to give our freedoms back.If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
This is why I'm not bothered about pubs anymore and I say this as a regular pub goer before 2020. Not only is the endeavour no longer any fun, but I'm sure they'll be closed down again later this year, and we're going to be in endless cycles of lockdowns. I may as well just get used to it and reshape my life to one that doesn't involve hospitality.
nonsequitur said:
No covid outbreaks due to crowded beaches? That is dated from Feb 2021, months after the events highlighted. When all those people decided to go to the beach - or other leisure locations - they had little idea that the disease would not spread as many of us thought it might.
They went to the beach without a thought, without a care, thinking 'No-one tells ME what to do'
Alternatively they went to the beach because covid rates at the time were so low it just wasn’t worth worrying about and as it happens they were absolutely right. We’d also been told by people who are experts in the field that UV kills viruses so a sunny beach on a hot day with a gentle breeze is so hostile to a virus as to present no real threat of transmission. There were no outbreaks, decision vindicated. They went to the beach without a thought, without a care, thinking 'No-one tells ME what to do'
TheJimi said:
Dog Star said:
I'm probably being paranoid, but I can see them shutting hospitality down again anyway; the tiniest upward movement and they'll just whack-a-mole it. It's the easiest thing for them to say "look! We are controlling the virus".
If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
I'd put money on leisure, hospitality & personal services being closed down again before the year is out. If they don't get shut down again I'll be surprised. If I owned a pub in such circumstances this would probably be the straw that broke the camel's back.
This is like yoyo dieting, spending months dieting to get down to an ideal weight and then thinking you can live on takeaways and cake again. Only to be in exactly the same boat a few weeks later.
I personally think we have years of this yet.
Lord Marylebone said:
I don't wish to be rude, but you two are completely paranoid.
The government aren't doing this for fun. They are doing it because they are trying to keep Covid related hospital admissions down, and one of the obvious ways of doing that is to limit the use of non-essential stuff like pubs.
Are they doing it badly? Yes.
Are they sometimes incompetent? Yes.
Are they making poor decisions along the way? Yes.
Are they backtracking on stuff and changing their minds as they go? Yes.
You have a barely competent government being their usual barely competent selves, but that's about the top and bottom of it.
Unless you know of any reason why they would actively want to ruin the entertainment sector and damage their tax revenue income?
If you let everyone mingle as they did before all of this with no restriction, then clearly the number of people requiring hospital attention will rise hugely. The number of 'covid related deaths' is a bit of a red herring. It is the hospital admissions and people requiring medical treatment for covid that causes the problems.
The good news in all of this is that the vaccine program is clearly working. It really is the only thing that is going to get us out of this mess.
Sadly the people who are all paranoid about 'the government' and making stuff up in their own heads about ulterior motives are the ones who probably won't help end this by receiving the vaccine. They want restrictions ended but many of them won't do the one thing that is actually helping to being an end to the restrictions.
The irony.
We will get past all this, I have no doubt. But it really will require mass vaccination, and probably yearly boosters for people over a certain age, and if thats what it takes, then lets all just get on with it.
Stockholm syndrome?The government aren't doing this for fun. They are doing it because they are trying to keep Covid related hospital admissions down, and one of the obvious ways of doing that is to limit the use of non-essential stuff like pubs.
Are they doing it badly? Yes.
Are they sometimes incompetent? Yes.
Are they making poor decisions along the way? Yes.
Are they backtracking on stuff and changing their minds as they go? Yes.
You have a barely competent government being their usual barely competent selves, but that's about the top and bottom of it.
Unless you know of any reason why they would actively want to ruin the entertainment sector and damage their tax revenue income?
If you let everyone mingle as they did before all of this with no restriction, then clearly the number of people requiring hospital attention will rise hugely. The number of 'covid related deaths' is a bit of a red herring. It is the hospital admissions and people requiring medical treatment for covid that causes the problems.
The good news in all of this is that the vaccine program is clearly working. It really is the only thing that is going to get us out of this mess.
Sadly the people who are all paranoid about 'the government' and making stuff up in their own heads about ulterior motives are the ones who probably won't help end this by receiving the vaccine. They want restrictions ended but many of them won't do the one thing that is actually helping to being an end to the restrictions.
The irony.
We will get past all this, I have no doubt. But it really will require mass vaccination, and probably yearly boosters for people over a certain age, and if thats what it takes, then lets all just get on with it.
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