Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]
Discussion
Doofus said:
The Mediterranean diet doesn't include butter. There's a north/south dividing line in Italy between use of butter and of olive oil.
Olive oil contains around 25% of the saturared fats that butter does.
Whilst the French eat things like croissants, they aren't part of a Mediterranean diet.
what? You can buy croissants all over the Med. Yes, I know olive oil is popular, and personally i bathe in the stuff but the pastries so beloved by Greeks/Italians/north Africans are all made with butter. I'm just curious why the Mediterranean diet is considered so good. Why not just say a diet based entirely on fish and fruit?Olive oil contains around 25% of the saturared fats that butter does.
Whilst the French eat things like croissants, they aren't part of a Mediterranean diet.
There's a weak correlation of Med diet and good health but I don't know if that's only for people who live near the Med (so get more sunlight and therefore more vitamin D), or if it works for "northeners" who adopt the same diet but remain vitamin D deficient (ie almost everyone).
I thought the saturated fat = cholesterol = heart disease theory has been discredited recently, and sugar is the bigger risk factor.
I thought the saturated fat = cholesterol = heart disease theory has been discredited recently, and sugar is the bigger risk factor.
popeyewhite said:
Why is the Mediterranean Diet much vaunted by 'health professionals' and such types. I've travelled extensively around the Med and most locals yes do eat fish and fruit, they also drink a lot of wine/ouzo etc, eat endless pastries, love cholesterol laden cheese, eat loads of sugar and chocolate and rarely do exercise (I know that's not diet related but thought I'd include the observation anyway). Seen how much butter goes into a croissant??
I suspect it's a marketing scam to sell holidays and increase trade. It's based on a small number of countries that are fairly affluent in comparison to their Med neighbours. Add in the other less well-off countries and the health benefits would disppear as the stats wouldn't be as favourable when compared to the UK. A "healthy" UK diet based on local produce is just as good. The Med climate, lack of damp conditions is probably a bigger factor. Nimby said:
There's a weak correlation of Med diet and good health but I don't know if that's only for people who live near the Med (so get more sunlight and therefore more vitamin D), or if it works for "northeners" who adopt the same diet but remain vitamin D deficient (ie almost everyone).
I thought the saturated fat = cholesterol = heart disease theory has been discredited recently, and sugar is the bigger risk factor.
Well cholesterol is still rather bad for you. I think what's changed is they (woo) now concede diet only contributes to about 20% of total cholesterol. Sugar is a heart disease risk factor yes, through a different mechanism.. Sunlight/general health is a good call for Med longevity. I think also lower calories generally is quite crucial for a long life and it must curb appetites somewhat if the country you live is stinking hot for eight months of the year.I thought the saturated fat = cholesterol = heart disease theory has been discredited recently, and sugar is the bigger risk factor.
popeyewhite said:
Doofus said:
The Mediterranean diet doesn't include butter. There's a north/south dividing line in Italy between use of butter and of olive oil.
Olive oil contains around 25% of the saturared fats that butter does.
Whilst the French eat things like croissants, they aren't part of a Mediterranean diet.
what? You can buy croissants all over the Med. Yes, I know olive oil is popular, and personally i bathe in the stuff but the pastries so beloved by Greeks/Italians/north Africans are all made with butter. I'm just curious why the Mediterranean diet is considered so good. Why not just say a diet based entirely on fish and fruit?Olive oil contains around 25% of the saturared fats that butter does.
Whilst the French eat things like croissants, they aren't part of a Mediterranean diet.
You can buy Chinese food in Paris, but it's not French cuisine.
bigpriest said:
I suspect it's a marketing scam to sell holidays and increase trade. It's based on a small number of countries that are fairly affluent in comparison to their Med neighbours. Add in the other less well-off countries and the health benefits would disppear as the stats wouldn't be as favourable when compared to the UK. A "healthy" UK diet based on local produce is just as good. The Med climate, lack of damp conditions is probably a bigger factor.
Some salient points there I think.Alickadoo said:
Do train drivers wave to each other as they pass going in opposite directions?
Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Most of us wave to each other most of the time, no matter which depot or company we work for. On a few occasions I've waved at my brother coming the other way, back when we used to sign the same routes around Birmingham!Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Alickadoo said:
Do train drivers wave to each other as they pass going in opposite directions?
Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Lol I’d love to know this tooOr is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Doofus said:
Yes, but the pastries made with butter are not part of a Mediterranean diet. You can buy them around the Med, but that's not the same thing.
You can buy Chinese food in Paris, but it's not French cuisine.
If Greek pastries made by Greeks based on a Greek recipe and eaten in huge volumes by Greeks aren't part of a Med diet when Greece sits on the Med then I'm afraid you've lost me. Perhaps it's a word definition thing, ie the phrase is utilised to describe certain ingredients, rather than a diet followed in a specific geographic location.You can buy Chinese food in Paris, but it's not French cuisine.
Looking at life expectancy by country (OK, not necessarily the same as "health")I can't see any obvious correlation with diet or latitude.
P5BNij said:
Alickadoo said:
Do train drivers wave to each other as they pass going in opposite directions?
Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Most of us wave to each other most of the time, no matter which depot or company we work for. On a few occasions I've waved at my brother coming the other way, back when we used to sign the same routes around Birmingham!Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
If you're driving a clapped out 80's DMU and see a colleague driving a shiny new unit do you give them another gesture?What has caused people to become defensively aggressive in this day and age? Like if you point out they are wrong, or if they don't give way on the road when they ought to? There seems to be a "I'll see you in court" mentality, even when there really isn't any basis for it. As in, mate, there's not a snowball in hell's chance this is going to get to court.
I'm not quite sure how to phrase the overall 'thing'.
Is it a particularly British thing?
I'm not quite sure how to phrase the overall 'thing'.
Is it a particularly British thing?
Nimby said:
Looking at life expectancy by country (OK, not necessarily the same as "health")I can't see any obvious correlation with diet or latitude.
I'm sure I read somewhere the Japanese island with the highest concentration of people over 100 years old (maybe last year or so, can't remember), had a very low calorie diet and researchers suggested this was linked directly to the local's longevity.I'll do a quick Google.
popeyewhite said:
Doofus said:
Yes, but the pastries made with butter are not part of a Mediterranean diet. You can buy them around the Med, but that's not the same thing.
You can buy Chinese food in Paris, but it's not French cuisine.
If Greek pastries made by Greeks based on a Greek recipe and eaten in huge volumes by Greeks aren't part of a Med diet when Greece sits on the Med then I'm afraid you've lost me. Perhaps it's a word definition thing, ie the phrase is utilised to describe certain ingredients, rather than a diet followed in a specific geographic location.You can buy Chinese food in Paris, but it's not French cuisine.
If you are genuinely "lost" by this distinction, then your problems run deeper than just being obtuse.
audi321 said:
Alickadoo said:
Do train drivers wave to each other as they pass going in opposite directions?
Or is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Lol I’d love to know this tooOr is it only:-
1. If they know the other driver.
2. He/she/it is from their depot.
3. They are driving the same sort of train (a 737C for example)
4. It's a nice day and they are in a good mood..
Jordie Barretts sock said:
What has caused people to become defensively aggressive in this day and age? Like if you point out they are wrong
It's our old friend 'Cognitive Dissonance'It's easily and instantly possible to verify something someone says these days. Some people don't like being proven wrong and when they are, can become overly defensive to the point of aggression.
There is also the theory that we have a generation with a greater sense of entitlement than ever before but with less opportunity for that entitlement to ever be realised. Because their sense of entitlement was based on nothing but abstract reality (they were never entitled in the first place), there is no-one to blame, no one for them to get angry at because of their failings so they get angry with everyone.
Edited by StevieBee on Wednesday 15th March 07:11
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