Honestly are you following lockdown rules?
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kambites said:
Ultimately the job of any government in a democracy is to be as popular as possible so they can get reelected; it's inevitable that that wont tie in exactly what what scientists think will be the best way to save lives.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
I don't think (most) people are suggesting that, and frankly it's a pretty cheap way to discredit arguments.However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
What you will find is that there are ideas swimming around. Things like ID cards, to choose an example, which has been floating around the civil service since the 80s at least. A minister back then (I forget who, apols) remarked that it was always being brought up as a solution to whatever they were discussing. Facial recognition cameras, health passports, banning certain foods, restricting the sale of alcohol, de blah de blah de blah. You'll have heard all of these ocasionally bubbling up into the news over the last couple of decades.
On top of that, organisations like the police, civil service, transport, and health service have tendencies to want to control people. Partly from a paternalistic "for their own good" sense, partly "to make their job easier". You can see it in other worlds as well, company IT departments are a good example, managers wanting to count people's keystrokes or lines of code written. It's natural when you give people the job of managing other people.
As a result there are all these ideas regarding mechanisms of control which are sitting around. When a crisis comes along, lo and behold, those ideas are ready-baked and presented to ministers as solutions. And many of those ministers will be of a controlling bent themselves, and more than happy to go along with them. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's opportunism being taken by those who would love to control us, for various reasons.
CS Garth said:
Monkeylegend said:
CS Garth said:
And to be clear, they aren’t lying per se.
What other type of lying is there 
Sort of a selective dishonesty then.
Monkeylegend said:
Economical with the truth I think you mean.
Sort of a selective dishonesty then.
"Sort of a selective dishonesty then.
-hospitals routinely say that are at capacity when they are at 85-90% of true ICU bed capacity
-Hospitals in the north west (and many elsewhere) have routinely run at comparable levels of capacity in prior years at this time - they aren’t usually at 20%, 70-80 is quite common
It’s a very dangerous and misleading statement that is being used to play on people’s fears."
Being very dangerous and misleading is close to lying IMO! No one would really thinkin 85% of true capacity is 'at capacity'
CrutyRammers said:
kambites said:
Ultimately the job of any government in a democracy is to be as popular as possible so they can get reelected; it's inevitable that that wont tie in exactly what what scientists think will be the best way to save lives.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
I don't think (most) people are suggesting that, and frankly it's a pretty cheap way to discredit arguments.However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
TGTiff said:
All this is a load of b00lox!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
TwigtheWonderkid said:
CrutyRammers said:
kambites said:
Ultimately the job of any government in a democracy is to be as popular as possible so they can get reelected; it's inevitable that that wont tie in exactly what what scientists think will be the best way to save lives.
However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
I don't think (most) people are suggesting that, and frankly it's a pretty cheap way to discredit arguments.However the idea that there's some grand conspiracy for the government to gain control over people's everyday lives purely for the sake of having that control is right up there with believing the earth is flat or that the Democrats run a paedophile ring from a Pizzara in terms of tin-foil hattery. I actually feel rather sorry for people who genuinely believe such things, it must be a miserable way to live.
TGTiff said:
All this is a load of b00lox!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
It is purely political and nothing to do with a 'virus'.
Covid 19 is just a tool to get what the government want....control !!!
I do regard a credulous belief that our leaders would not use this crisis to add a few controls, as being as bonkers as those who believe it's all been invented specifically for that, though.
Leptons said:
Monkeylegend said:
What other type of lying is there
Do you ever have anything constructive to say? No wonder that post count is so high. Sad.I promise to try harder to be more constructive but not sure if I can.
Don't forget that baby
Lies, government control, other half witted nonsense. The world's leaders all working together for the greater cause of complete control of the people.
Are people getting dumber, or is it still the same, only the internet is a hub for 'tards to make a louder noise?
Do these same 'tards believe the earth is flat, 9/11 was an inside job, we never landed on the moon?
Are people getting dumber, or is it still the same, only the internet is a hub for 'tards to make a louder noise?
Do these same 'tards believe the earth is flat, 9/11 was an inside job, we never landed on the moon?
fastraxx said:
I find that a very odd train of thought - are these the same people who think 5g caused the virus?!
I'd be afraid to ask their opinion on that. It's better to limit your time close to someone who mentions conspiracy, not just because of the virus, but too much exposure to stupidity can be bad for your health too.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff