Honestly are you following lockdown rules?
Discussion
I think for many “following the rules” of is some kind of comfort blanket that allows them to switch off their brain.
If people really believed masks work why weren’t they doing it from the get go? Or every winter during flu season when 20,000 die on average?
They’ve just become a medium for the sanctimonious to preach their perceived superiority.
A largely middle class moral high ground from which, typically, retired people like to hector the populous whilst irrationally fearing for their own lives which have been in much higher jeopardy from a myriad of other lethal threats since the day they were born.
I’ve been largely observing them out of courtesy for the vulnerable and elderly, not because I think those other than social distancing save more than a statistically highly insignificant amount of lives.
Or put another way, for society to function we need to accept their are risks. This will just become another of them like ordinary influenza.
If people really believed masks work why weren’t they doing it from the get go? Or every winter during flu season when 20,000 die on average?
They’ve just become a medium for the sanctimonious to preach their perceived superiority.
A largely middle class moral high ground from which, typically, retired people like to hector the populous whilst irrationally fearing for their own lives which have been in much higher jeopardy from a myriad of other lethal threats since the day they were born.
I’ve been largely observing them out of courtesy for the vulnerable and elderly, not because I think those other than social distancing save more than a statistically highly insignificant amount of lives.
Or put another way, for society to function we need to accept their are risks. This will just become another of them like ordinary influenza.
Edited by CS Garth on Saturday 17th October 04:05
Like a few others, I am signed off and advised to remain shielded (which I semi do) which is very frustrating but being in Tier 1 there are few rules that would affect me anyway other than restaurants closing at 10pm. Thats a bit of a bugger as I am going on a short break in a couple of weeks specifically to eat at a couple of places.
Other than that, mask if I go into a shop and crack on as normal, visit elderly parents every few days and we can have them over for dinner or whatever without breaking the "rule of 6".
Other than that, mask if I go into a shop and crack on as normal, visit elderly parents every few days and we can have them over for dinner or whatever without breaking the "rule of 6".
Honestly wouldn't know if I'm following the rules or not. Gave up paying much attention to all the changes and alterations back in May.
I have a very quiet lifestyle anyway, never really go out for meals/pub/cinema/other public gathering places, and don't use public transport, so very low risk. I'm in a low risk (sorry medium risk...
) area, but have no idea what that means for rules - the only rule I know that I stick to is a face covering in shops - not because they're effective (that's a different argument played out elsewhere), but because any non-compliance would be obvious.
I am constantly amazed by the stories I hear of people who cannot think for themselves and make a sensible risk assessment. My wife has stage 4 ovarian cancer, therefore should have been shielding. Why would anyone with a matter of months to a year or two left hide lock themselves in a box for months on end in case they get Covid? You would have to be copper-bottomed stupid to do it, yet many have. Sure if you are vulnerable, but have a good prospect of many years of life that might change your assessment of the best way forward, but if you know time is very limited, have a long hard talk to yourself and enjoy life as best you can.
So she didn't shield (just as well as it was about 3 weeks into lockdown before anyone contacted her to see if she needed help with food - presumably if she was single and genuinely shielding they would have been carrying her out in a very thin box by then). Throughout the first lockdown we continued to see her father once or twice a week - a sensible risk assessment based on the fact that we only really went to the supermarket briefly, as did he. He is perfectly capable, but does get a little bit manic if he doesn't get human contact, but hardly enough to claim we were seeing him in a caring capacity.
We'll be seeing my parents next week. No idea if I'm allowed to, and frankly don't much care. That's despite me being back working as a driving instructor, my wife being back working in a supermarket, and my father having several conditions that would probably get classed as co-morbidities (although he is essentially fully healthy for his age in general terms). It's just a sensible risk assessment based on who we are likely to come into contact with, their risks, and the general need to just get on with life.
There's a balance, but most people, certainly most policy makers, seem to be incapable of finding it, so I do it for myself.
I have a very quiet lifestyle anyway, never really go out for meals/pub/cinema/other public gathering places, and don't use public transport, so very low risk. I'm in a low risk (sorry medium risk...
) area, but have no idea what that means for rules - the only rule I know that I stick to is a face covering in shops - not because they're effective (that's a different argument played out elsewhere), but because any non-compliance would be obvious.I am constantly amazed by the stories I hear of people who cannot think for themselves and make a sensible risk assessment. My wife has stage 4 ovarian cancer, therefore should have been shielding. Why would anyone with a matter of months to a year or two left hide lock themselves in a box for months on end in case they get Covid? You would have to be copper-bottomed stupid to do it, yet many have. Sure if you are vulnerable, but have a good prospect of many years of life that might change your assessment of the best way forward, but if you know time is very limited, have a long hard talk to yourself and enjoy life as best you can.
So she didn't shield (just as well as it was about 3 weeks into lockdown before anyone contacted her to see if she needed help with food - presumably if she was single and genuinely shielding they would have been carrying her out in a very thin box by then). Throughout the first lockdown we continued to see her father once or twice a week - a sensible risk assessment based on the fact that we only really went to the supermarket briefly, as did he. He is perfectly capable, but does get a little bit manic if he doesn't get human contact, but hardly enough to claim we were seeing him in a caring capacity.
We'll be seeing my parents next week. No idea if I'm allowed to, and frankly don't much care. That's despite me being back working as a driving instructor, my wife being back working in a supermarket, and my father having several conditions that would probably get classed as co-morbidities (although he is essentially fully healthy for his age in general terms). It's just a sensible risk assessment based on who we are likely to come into contact with, their risks, and the general need to just get on with life.
There's a balance, but most people, certainly most policy makers, seem to be incapable of finding it, so I do it for myself.
I live in Luxembourg.
We've had to wear masks in shops since March, and since the hospitality sector reopened, masks must be worn unless you're sat at a table. Max. number of people at tables remains 10, for the moment.....
Kids were schooling at home from March to early July using Zoom, and then the eldest had to take her final exams back at school and has just started Uni in France .... a whole other can of worms there with her classes of numbering 150 students, and no distancing. They're testing CV-19 weekly as a result, but they must always wear masks outside of their own homes at all times in French towns with >10k inhabitants.
However, we've been following the rules, but I did, yesterday, meet 2 different groups of people and continued to follow the current rules. Lunch as a group of 5. Early evening drinks as a another group of 5. At the moment we're allowed tables of 10.
A friend last night pointed out that high school kids, particularly, aren't following the rules. Hugs and kisses all round at the bus stops in the morning. Huddling together on the buses and trams, not always wearing their masks, etc. Loads of school kids and teachers have tested positive since school restarted in 15th September.
With daily positive cases >200 on maybe 8k tests / day for the last few days, and a population just over 600k, we fully expect the PM will announce new social / potential lockdown rules on Sunday as there's a Govt meeting tomorrow.
I've been tested 3x on Govt organised large scale testing, all negative so far.
We've had to wear masks in shops since March, and since the hospitality sector reopened, masks must be worn unless you're sat at a table. Max. number of people at tables remains 10, for the moment.....
Kids were schooling at home from March to early July using Zoom, and then the eldest had to take her final exams back at school and has just started Uni in France .... a whole other can of worms there with her classes of numbering 150 students, and no distancing. They're testing CV-19 weekly as a result, but they must always wear masks outside of their own homes at all times in French towns with >10k inhabitants.
However, we've been following the rules, but I did, yesterday, meet 2 different groups of people and continued to follow the current rules. Lunch as a group of 5. Early evening drinks as a another group of 5. At the moment we're allowed tables of 10.
A friend last night pointed out that high school kids, particularly, aren't following the rules. Hugs and kisses all round at the bus stops in the morning. Huddling together on the buses and trams, not always wearing their masks, etc. Loads of school kids and teachers have tested positive since school restarted in 15th September.
With daily positive cases >200 on maybe 8k tests / day for the last few days, and a population just over 600k, we fully expect the PM will announce new social / potential lockdown rules on Sunday as there's a Govt meeting tomorrow.
I've been tested 3x on Govt organised large scale testing, all negative so far.
I know it's not a rule anymore, but during lockdown who actually made an ESSENTIAL journey?
I went to the supermarket every 3 or 4 days - I was even stopped by the police on one occasion to check that my journey was "essential".
However, none of these journeys was essential. They weren't even necessary. We had food in the house, we weren't starving. We could have survived on the food we had for another 3 or 4 weeks. They were just desirable journeys, as I didn't fancy subsisting on store cupboard rations.
As several people have said, it's all about interpretation.
I went to the supermarket every 3 or 4 days - I was even stopped by the police on one occasion to check that my journey was "essential".
However, none of these journeys was essential. They weren't even necessary. We had food in the house, we weren't starving. We could have survived on the food we had for another 3 or 4 weeks. They were just desirable journeys, as I didn't fancy subsisting on store cupboard rations.
As several people have said, it's all about interpretation.
I am. It's not really about me (although as a middle aged man I don't fancy it).
It's about people one remove from me; my FIL is recovering from cancer, my mum is 93 with a weak heart and I have three friends in the same boat. Covid could easily prove fatal for them.
It's a PITA at times but I do it out of consideration for people to whom Covid presents a really serious risk.
It's about people one remove from me; my FIL is recovering from cancer, my mum is 93 with a weak heart and I have three friends in the same boat. Covid could easily prove fatal for them.
It's a PITA at times but I do it out of consideration for people to whom Covid presents a really serious risk.
Jasandjules said:
I have decided that I shall follow the rules as diligently as Dominic Cummings (although I shall pay my council tax as plebs like me would go to jail)...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. So I'm not having any parties, or taking the p1ss, but keeping strictly to the rules at all times...no.
This and this. 
TameRacingDriver said:
Jasandjules said:
I have decided that I shall follow the rules as diligently as Dominic Cummings (although I shall pay my council tax as plebs like me would go to jail)...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. So I'm not having any parties, or taking the p1ss, but keeping strictly to the rules at all times...no.
This and this. That would sort the men from the boys
1974nc said:
Possibly a more illuminating question would be, ‘is there any rule the government could mandate that you would deem too extreme’
That would sort the men from the boys
They already have. I regard myself as a law abiding citizen but I don’t understand or intend to comply with the rules applying from today.That would sort the men from the boys
grumbledoak said:
BT Summers said:
The more that I see people ignoring the rules/guidelines the more I wish to follow the rules/guidelines.
The bots aren't even trying any more.
To answer the OP - I follow some and ignore others using that thing that seems to have gone out of fashion, common sense.
Unbelievable!
The U.K. government, with the help of the BBC, is now suggesting the public to literally go f*ck themselves.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53736087?fbclid=...
The U.K. government, with the help of the BBC, is now suggesting the public to literally go f*ck themselves.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53736087?fbclid=...
I am mostly, but I have to admit to using screenshots from the missus instead of installing the app when venues demand it.
As someone from an information security background, I just can't believe the data generated is used exclusively for COVID and that the tracking will stop at COVID.
As someone from an information security background, I just can't believe the data generated is used exclusively for COVID and that the tracking will stop at COVID.
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