Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
Discussion
captain_cynic said:
That's one of their main tactics. Post so much b
ks that they hope that no one reads it. That way they can go back and say "read the post" when their blatantly false claim is called out.
Most of the time what they post fails even the most basic checks. You can make one of two conclusions about the poster on that basis.ks that they hope that no one reads it. That way they can go back and say "read the post" when their blatantly false claim is called out. Eta: usually posted from a relatively new account too.
CanAm said:
dandarez said:
Yeah, but that's not a 'baby' pigeon. This is though.
And no, it's not a baby Dodo, they're extinct so you won't have seen one of those!
That’s what ‘they’ want you to think. And no, it's not a baby Dodo, they're extinct so you won't have seen one of those!
You know, Gates, Musk, Soros...
So what is dandarez's connection? Maybe he's one of them.
Edited by AW111 on Saturday 14th May 13:32
Blown2CV said:
as if i'm going to read all of that ste. It's been said a million times. If you're making claims, then you need to substantiate it in a way that is believable, trustworthy, considered, logical... otherwise no one - not just me - is going to take you seriously, other than other loons who get a kick out of it. I refuse to argue with you about it so i am stopping there. You're not winning.
You're not interested in a discussion or debate, that's the problemte. It's been said a million times. If you're making claims, then you need to substantiate it in a way that is believable, trustworthy, considered, logical... otherwise no one - not just me - is going to take you seriously, other than other loons who get a kick out of it. I refuse to argue with you about it so i am stopping there. You're not winning.I explain my personal viewpoint and some links to back it up (eg about the lab leak and also the data on mask efficacy)
You then say "i'm not going to read that it's too long" - it would take 10 minutes to have a scan and get a general idea,
If you are too lazy or ignorant to read it, that's your problem
I don't view it as winning or losing, it's discussing , I dont' have a discussion with the intent on "winning" - but you clearly want an argument and you have no interest in listening to my points and you boil it down to winning or losing - classic troll - I hope you go through life hoping to "win" at every written or verbal interaction you participate in
Enjoy
Hoofy said:
Chinese people. You never see a middle aged one. One minute young, next minute wizened. Maybe they turn into pigeons for a few years?
When I dismantled the roof terrace at our Frankfurt apartment there were two very large pigeon fledglings. They flew away (well, it was more of a headless dead drop, and only the once).
I hate pigeons.
Blown2CV said:
DanL said:
Blown2CV said:
IQ was discredited as an intelligence measure decades ago. Unfortunately I did a degree in psychology before I realised that was pointless (apart from pub and forum superfluous chat) and went back and did something different.
That’s interesting - what replaced IQ as a measure? I assume something…As you say though, high IQ is not the one and only form of intelligence (for want of a better word) though.
A good example would be the "Chasers" on "The Chase" TV show. They appear to be very "intelligent" but in fact what they doing is extreme recollection of facts. That takes a good memory and a drive/passion to collect those facts in the first place.
It's different to IQ though
98elise said:
Blown2CV said:
DanL said:
Blown2CV said:
IQ was discredited as an intelligence measure decades ago. Unfortunately I did a degree in psychology before I realised that was pointless (apart from pub and forum superfluous chat) and went back and did something different.
That’s interesting - what replaced IQ as a measure? I assume something…As you say though, high IQ is not the one and only form of intelligence (for want of a better word) though.
A good example would be the "Chasers" on "The Chase" TV show. They appear to be very "intelligent" but in fact what they doing is extreme recollection of facts. That takes a good memory and a drive/passion to collect those facts in the first place.
It's different to IQ though
So the easiest way to make your IQ more is to put yourself in a group of dumber people. This is one of the many reasons IQ is a bad measure of intelligence. Standardised IQ tests tend to focus on maths and language skills, so fail at one of those but have a good eye for colour/shapes, mechanical affinity or attention to detail and you can seem to have a low IQ on paper, but aren't actually dumb in the slightest. Even if you're good with languages, but terrible with maths you can get the same result on an IQ test as they really tend to focus on maths.
When it comes to CTers and other crazies, I think the concept of EQ (Emotional intelligence Quotient) is more important. It's not a hard science but looks at how we deal with stressors, people we disagree with, concepts we struggle with, how empathetic we are, et al. The way we deal with challenges and conflict.
I think that some people who believe crazy theories can have a high IQ (I.E. be good at maths), but almost universally have a low EQ as they tend not to be able to process contradictory information, will readily start conflicts when confronted, have difficulty seeing the other side in an argument.
I'm the kind of bloke who enjoys the more harmless conspiracy theories, things like UFOs, grassman on the gunny knoll, all that stuff. I know they're b
ks but enjoy it the same way I enjoy a good fiction novel, there is some imagination behind the story and it fires up my imagination.RE: the Chaser... They know all the answers because they're robots operated sub-vocally by Bradley Walsh
. Edited by captain_cynic on Saturday 14th May 23:29
CarCrazyDad said:
I believe Covid was engineered or being investigated or developed in some way from a lab
You believe it's not, I guess from a bat? Where's YOUR burdon of proof?
The problem is it's easy to put that into a triangle and call everyone who believes in any of those things conspiracy theorists, of course, you only believe what's on the BBC I guess?
Anything outside of that is NONSENSE and WIBBLE and all those other phrases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957329/U...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits...
USA - We most certainly weren't funding any viral research in China! At all ! Nuh-uh!!!
<links come out showing funding to the Wuhan Institute directly from Lord and Saviour Fauci & NIH>
USA - Um.......ok yes we were, but it wasn't Covid! Pinky promise !!!
But of course since it's been removed (?) from the all knowing triangle of conspiracy, it's no longer a conspiracy I guess!
Another example -
The fact that the "all knowing Triangle of excellence" lists "Anti maskers" as a "conspiracy theory"
yet there is no actual scientific evidence by means of RCTs or real-world evidence by means of comparing infection rates with / without masks which show there is any measurable benefit (please see the mask thread and https://twitter.com/ianmSC among numerous other freely available sources)
There are however numerous RCT which show no measurable benefit from masks, and lots of real-world datasets (see above) which show that masks actually don't do very much at all (compare Scotland or Wales with England, despite England having a generally higher population density - England without masks has done better than Wales and Scotland with masks, look at Germany with their mandated FFP2 masks and all the good it did !)
But rather than actually have an honest discussion about it - we label anyone who goes against any "mainstream narrative" as a conspiracy theorist, we shut down scientists who we disagree with, we give airtime to only those who are on board with the messaging (ironically many of whom aren't even scientists , or you have someone who has a PhD in food science claiming to have knowledge on how virology works !
This is very interesting from a psychological view point because most people are sheep , and I mean that with no offence, people will often follow the lead from other people without actually questioning why - a practical example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
You will have a hardcore 10% who are very PRO mask (for example) and 10% who are very ANTI
Then you have 80% in the middle who don't really care and will generally go along with what the majority do
Because you give virtually 100% of all media airtime and publishing to the 10% PRO mask lot the other 80% will fall in line simply to avoid any sort of difficult conversation and to "go with the flow"
Now the 10% is "actually" 90% and now that they have power of numbers they will berate the other 10% and of course it's a case of thy who shouts the loudest is correct in this day and age
I'm a science led person - I believe in Gravity for example, because it can be proven and measured repeatedly
I believe in the benefits of healthy eating, because this can be proven and measured repeatedly in double-blind peer reviewed studies and RCTs
I believe we landed on the moon, I don't believe that 5G is designed to kill you, when I'm ill I reach for some Asprin not some Ylang Ylang and Patchouli oil - but I do believe there is a marked shift in "left wing" extremists (you only need to spend 10 minutes on Twitter) and what can be construed as a move towards a more Marxist society if left unchecked, and I do believe that there are a few very wealthy and powerful people who are not elected who have more world-power than any of our elected officials - this can have very dangerous impacts
I believe there is a plan to reset the worlds economy in the name of the "green agenda" , the Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory - it is a well published document as well as plenty of links on our own Government website, co-ordinated use of phrases like "build back better" and "Fourth industrial revolution" - you cannot ignore a duck if it waddles and quacks.
To call someone a "conspiracy theorist" is a wide reaching comment which is generally given as an insult, a dig towards ones mental capacity - of course, this is typical of human beings and a general lack of empathy and inability to understand other views and articulate their views without resorting to cheap insults
I also do not trust "the science" when it comes to Covid-19 especially when the science is not actually clear - I believe the vaccines helped , how much is up for debate, I think a combination of a weaker strain (Omicron) and the vaccines were important, I don't think the vaccines on their own were a magic bullet - I am double vaccinated , But I refused the booster (I draw a line at something so ineffective I need to take a top up every 3 months)
I am 61 years of age, so a more "at risk" age but I've not been overtly ill or noticed any other problems - I'll take my chances I guess
Anyway back to masks - generally if there is a benefit in terms of someone's health and a medical intervention, this is obvious and repeatable , however efficacy of masks for example is not clear and despite several RCTs and hundreds of countries and millions of people worth of testing and introducing mask mandates and removing them etc there is not a clear link between introduction or removal of masks and an increase or decrease in infection rates
There are no RCTs which show any statistically significant benefit of masks, even the Bangladeshi one (which Pro-Maskers love to wheel out clearly having not read it) once you get past the incorrect headline , shows no statistical benefit of masks at all ! I can't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 20 less infections over 2500 people (within the error range so no benefit statistically) not to mention the masked group being given additional interventions like additional handwashing and "social distancing"
As for my faith in science overall, when we have Vallance and Whitty who are wheeled out as some sort of national heroes, the smartest scientific brains in the country , come onto live television in front of our nation to tell us that they "reasonably expect 4000 people PER DAY to die of Covid-19 despite the roll outs of Vaccine and natural immunity combined with a less deadly virus evolution, with some horrifically infantile graph which looks like my Son made it on Excel in Primary School - was not even nearly correct in reality - you cannot tell me that everything is above board - obviously nefarious tactics were at play
Sometimes it's more comfortable to deny you've been fooled
For me I will live out the next 20 years or so of my life comfortable with my mortgage paid not giving a crap either way until I die, whether the truth comes out between now and then is anyone's guess - I just hope my Son and my future grand children can enjoy the relatively prosperous life we've had - in my cyniscysm I would not want to be a <30 year old now as life just seems a lot less joyless and of course an up coming financial crisis coming, I guess that's another conspiracy that the UK alone can print an additional £400bn of currency and not have any far reaching problems
Looks like it’s meds time.You believe it's not, I guess from a bat? Where's YOUR burdon of proof?
The problem is it's easy to put that into a triangle and call everyone who believes in any of those things conspiracy theorists, of course, you only believe what's on the BBC I guess?
Anything outside of that is NONSENSE and WIBBLE and all those other phrases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957329/U...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits...
USA - We most certainly weren't funding any viral research in China! At all ! Nuh-uh!!!
<links come out showing funding to the Wuhan Institute directly from Lord and Saviour Fauci & NIH>
USA - Um.......ok yes we were, but it wasn't Covid! Pinky promise !!!
But of course since it's been removed (?) from the all knowing triangle of conspiracy, it's no longer a conspiracy I guess!
Another example -
The fact that the "all knowing Triangle of excellence" lists "Anti maskers" as a "conspiracy theory"
yet there is no actual scientific evidence by means of RCTs or real-world evidence by means of comparing infection rates with / without masks which show there is any measurable benefit (please see the mask thread and https://twitter.com/ianmSC among numerous other freely available sources)
There are however numerous RCT which show no measurable benefit from masks, and lots of real-world datasets (see above) which show that masks actually don't do very much at all (compare Scotland or Wales with England, despite England having a generally higher population density - England without masks has done better than Wales and Scotland with masks, look at Germany with their mandated FFP2 masks and all the good it did !)
But rather than actually have an honest discussion about it - we label anyone who goes against any "mainstream narrative" as a conspiracy theorist, we shut down scientists who we disagree with, we give airtime to only those who are on board with the messaging (ironically many of whom aren't even scientists , or you have someone who has a PhD in food science claiming to have knowledge on how virology works !
This is very interesting from a psychological view point because most people are sheep , and I mean that with no offence, people will often follow the lead from other people without actually questioning why - a practical example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
You will have a hardcore 10% who are very PRO mask (for example) and 10% who are very ANTI
Then you have 80% in the middle who don't really care and will generally go along with what the majority do
Because you give virtually 100% of all media airtime and publishing to the 10% PRO mask lot the other 80% will fall in line simply to avoid any sort of difficult conversation and to "go with the flow"
Now the 10% is "actually" 90% and now that they have power of numbers they will berate the other 10% and of course it's a case of thy who shouts the loudest is correct in this day and age
I'm a science led person - I believe in Gravity for example, because it can be proven and measured repeatedly
I believe in the benefits of healthy eating, because this can be proven and measured repeatedly in double-blind peer reviewed studies and RCTs
I believe we landed on the moon, I don't believe that 5G is designed to kill you, when I'm ill I reach for some Asprin not some Ylang Ylang and Patchouli oil - but I do believe there is a marked shift in "left wing" extremists (you only need to spend 10 minutes on Twitter) and what can be construed as a move towards a more Marxist society if left unchecked, and I do believe that there are a few very wealthy and powerful people who are not elected who have more world-power than any of our elected officials - this can have very dangerous impacts
I believe there is a plan to reset the worlds economy in the name of the "green agenda" , the Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory - it is a well published document as well as plenty of links on our own Government website, co-ordinated use of phrases like "build back better" and "Fourth industrial revolution" - you cannot ignore a duck if it waddles and quacks.
To call someone a "conspiracy theorist" is a wide reaching comment which is generally given as an insult, a dig towards ones mental capacity - of course, this is typical of human beings and a general lack of empathy and inability to understand other views and articulate their views without resorting to cheap insults
I also do not trust "the science" when it comes to Covid-19 especially when the science is not actually clear - I believe the vaccines helped , how much is up for debate, I think a combination of a weaker strain (Omicron) and the vaccines were important, I don't think the vaccines on their own were a magic bullet - I am double vaccinated , But I refused the booster (I draw a line at something so ineffective I need to take a top up every 3 months)
I am 61 years of age, so a more "at risk" age but I've not been overtly ill or noticed any other problems - I'll take my chances I guess
Anyway back to masks - generally if there is a benefit in terms of someone's health and a medical intervention, this is obvious and repeatable , however efficacy of masks for example is not clear and despite several RCTs and hundreds of countries and millions of people worth of testing and introducing mask mandates and removing them etc there is not a clear link between introduction or removal of masks and an increase or decrease in infection rates
There are no RCTs which show any statistically significant benefit of masks, even the Bangladeshi one (which Pro-Maskers love to wheel out clearly having not read it) once you get past the incorrect headline , shows no statistical benefit of masks at all ! I can't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 20 less infections over 2500 people (within the error range so no benefit statistically) not to mention the masked group being given additional interventions like additional handwashing and "social distancing"
As for my faith in science overall, when we have Vallance and Whitty who are wheeled out as some sort of national heroes, the smartest scientific brains in the country , come onto live television in front of our nation to tell us that they "reasonably expect 4000 people PER DAY to die of Covid-19 despite the roll outs of Vaccine and natural immunity combined with a less deadly virus evolution, with some horrifically infantile graph which looks like my Son made it on Excel in Primary School - was not even nearly correct in reality - you cannot tell me that everything is above board - obviously nefarious tactics were at play
Sometimes it's more comfortable to deny you've been fooled
For me I will live out the next 20 years or so of my life comfortable with my mortgage paid not giving a crap either way until I die, whether the truth comes out between now and then is anyone's guess - I just hope my Son and my future grand children can enjoy the relatively prosperous life we've had - in my cyniscysm I would not want to be a <30 year old now as life just seems a lot less joyless and of course an up coming financial crisis coming, I guess that's another conspiracy that the UK alone can print an additional £400bn of currency and not have any far reaching problems
Edited by CarCrazyDad on Saturday 14th May 01:30
Countdown said:
Mr Whippy said:
Ie, in 2016, people who voted brexit were all racists. Sure.
In 2022, people who didn’t think Zelensky was basically Jesus reborn were Putin spies or mad conspiracy theorists
It’s fking stupid.
The thing is I don't remember ANY of the "MSM" saying that. I know a lot of people assumed the above based on their own views and prejudices....but it's not what the media said.In 2022, people who didn’t think Zelensky was basically Jesus reborn were Putin spies or mad conspiracy theorists
It’s f
king stupid.But notice how things like this thread were not even a thing a decade ago. I've noticed increasingly polarised opinions everywhere.
It seems increasingly difficult to occupy a middle ground, or devils advocate position, or just be neutral, indifferent, or unwilling to judge based on the simple information at hand.
There is no reason to say this is directed. It could just be the result of mass-social-media ism, where people feel more comfortable in groups and picking a side they're comfortable with, because a middle ground seems unacceptable today, so it's just the easy way to 'fit in'?
Even our policiticans are encouraging it on global political levels now. Lizz Truss. China, India etc, you're either with us or against us with regards Russia, you can't be neutral.
This isn't conspiracy theory. Even that word is stupidly inflamatory in it's intentional meaning, vs it's actual meaning.
Conspiracy is everwhere. Conspire. I have a theory that people conspire. Oh my god! Half the population is probably conspiring on a day to day basis. Governments perpetually conspire to win votes, squash bad news, hide uncomfortable information, incompetence, blah blah.
What we're seeing is just humans being stupidly polarised in their views because they're want to fit in on 'the internet' or among simpleton groups in real life.
If you mix with such simpletons in real life that expect you to "pick a side" then I think you'd be healthier finding friends who didn't expect that of you, or friends that talk about such f
king boring topics in the first place.So no, conspiracy theorists aren't all just a bit thick.
People being polarised sheep are all just a bit thick.
V6 Pushfit said:
^ I disagree, CT’s are easily conned fringe borderline mental, and War & Peace length posts trying to scrape the barrel to somehow justify then don’t make it any different.
Using your approach, it’s equally borderline mental to suggest that considering the possibility of people conspiring requires a broken mind.You may as well wrap up any fiction writer who writes more than one antagonist as being mental to have even come up with such a preposterous idea as people conspiring together.
PH is full of people taking about strategies to best secure a house purchase by offering in a specific way… conspiring with others to do so.
Indeed, anyone selling a house might theorise that buyers are doing this, and so they become a conspiracy theorist.
I know ‘what you mean’ but it’s intellectual drivel to make such statements.
Grow up.
KAgantua said:
I have a conspiracy theory, V6PF has a financial interest in this thread (Perhaps owns one of hte banner ads) and is posting every third or fourth post to keep it near the top.
Wake up sheeple!
You’ve bought up another classic CT trait there, that everything is down to someone being paid to give a view or an opinion that normal people would just regard as logical. Comes up regularly and a classic CT get out. Wake up sheeple!
V6 Pushfit said:
CarCrazyDad said:
I believe Covid was engineered or being investigated or developed in some way from a lab
You believe it's not, I guess from a bat? Where's YOUR burdon of proof?
The problem is it's easy to put that into a triangle and call everyone who believes in any of those things conspiracy theorists, of course, you only believe what's on the BBC I guess?
Anything outside of that is NONSENSE and WIBBLE and all those other phrases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957329/U...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits...
USA - We most certainly weren't funding any viral research in China! At all ! Nuh-uh!!!
<links come out showing funding to the Wuhan Institute directly from Lord and Saviour Fauci & NIH>
USA - Um.......ok yes we were, but it wasn't Covid! Pinky promise !!!
But of course since it's been removed (?) from the all knowing triangle of conspiracy, it's no longer a conspiracy I guess!
Another example -
The fact that the "all knowing Triangle of excellence" lists "Anti maskers" as a "conspiracy theory"
yet there is no actual scientific evidence by means of RCTs or real-world evidence by means of comparing infection rates with / without masks which show there is any measurable benefit (please see the mask thread and https://twitter.com/ianmSC among numerous other freely available sources)
There are however numerous RCT which show no measurable benefit from masks, and lots of real-world datasets (see above) which show that masks actually don't do very much at all (compare Scotland or Wales with England, despite England having a generally higher population density - England without masks has done better than Wales and Scotland with masks, look at Germany with their mandated FFP2 masks and all the good it did !)
But rather than actually have an honest discussion about it - we label anyone who goes against any "mainstream narrative" as a conspiracy theorist, we shut down scientists who we disagree with, we give airtime to only those who are on board with the messaging (ironically many of whom aren't even scientists , or you have someone who has a PhD in food science claiming to have knowledge on how virology works !
This is very interesting from a psychological view point because most people are sheep , and I mean that with no offence, people will often follow the lead from other people without actually questioning why - a practical example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
You will have a hardcore 10% who are very PRO mask (for example) and 10% who are very ANTI
Then you have 80% in the middle who don't really care and will generally go along with what the majority do
Because you give virtually 100% of all media airtime and publishing to the 10% PRO mask lot the other 80% will fall in line simply to avoid any sort of difficult conversation and to "go with the flow"
Now the 10% is "actually" 90% and now that they have power of numbers they will berate the other 10% and of course it's a case of thy who shouts the loudest is correct in this day and age
I'm a science led person - I believe in Gravity for example, because it can be proven and measured repeatedly
I believe in the benefits of healthy eating, because this can be proven and measured repeatedly in double-blind peer reviewed studies and RCTs
I believe we landed on the moon, I don't believe that 5G is designed to kill you, when I'm ill I reach for some Asprin not some Ylang Ylang and Patchouli oil - but I do believe there is a marked shift in "left wing" extremists (you only need to spend 10 minutes on Twitter) and what can be construed as a move towards a more Marxist society if left unchecked, and I do believe that there are a few very wealthy and powerful people who are not elected who have more world-power than any of our elected officials - this can have very dangerous impacts
I believe there is a plan to reset the worlds economy in the name of the "green agenda" , the Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory - it is a well published document as well as plenty of links on our own Government website, co-ordinated use of phrases like "build back better" and "Fourth industrial revolution" - you cannot ignore a duck if it waddles and quacks.
To call someone a "conspiracy theorist" is a wide reaching comment which is generally given as an insult, a dig towards ones mental capacity - of course, this is typical of human beings and a general lack of empathy and inability to understand other views and articulate their views without resorting to cheap insults
I also do not trust "the science" when it comes to Covid-19 especially when the science is not actually clear - I believe the vaccines helped , how much is up for debate, I think a combination of a weaker strain (Omicron) and the vaccines were important, I don't think the vaccines on their own were a magic bullet - I am double vaccinated , But I refused the booster (I draw a line at something so ineffective I need to take a top up every 3 months)
I am 61 years of age, so a more "at risk" age but I've not been overtly ill or noticed any other problems - I'll take my chances I guess
Anyway back to masks - generally if there is a benefit in terms of someone's health and a medical intervention, this is obvious and repeatable , however efficacy of masks for example is not clear and despite several RCTs and hundreds of countries and millions of people worth of testing and introducing mask mandates and removing them etc there is not a clear link between introduction or removal of masks and an increase or decrease in infection rates
There are no RCTs which show any statistically significant benefit of masks, even the Bangladeshi one (which Pro-Maskers love to wheel out clearly having not read it) once you get past the incorrect headline , shows no statistical benefit of masks at all ! I can't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 20 less infections over 2500 people (within the error range so no benefit statistically) not to mention the masked group being given additional interventions like additional handwashing and "social distancing"
As for my faith in science overall, when we have Vallance and Whitty who are wheeled out as some sort of national heroes, the smartest scientific brains in the country , come onto live television in front of our nation to tell us that they "reasonably expect 4000 people PER DAY to die of Covid-19 despite the roll outs of Vaccine and natural immunity combined with a less deadly virus evolution, with some horrifically infantile graph which looks like my Son made it on Excel in Primary School - was not even nearly correct in reality - you cannot tell me that everything is above board - obviously nefarious tactics were at play
Sometimes it's more comfortable to deny you've been fooled
For me I will live out the next 20 years or so of my life comfortable with my mortgage paid not giving a crap either way until I die, whether the truth comes out between now and then is anyone's guess - I just hope my Son and my future grand children can enjoy the relatively prosperous life we've had - in my cyniscysm I would not want to be a <30 year old now as life just seems a lot less joyless and of course an up coming financial crisis coming, I guess that's another conspiracy that the UK alone can print an additional £400bn of currency and not have any far reaching problems
Looks like it’s meds time.You believe it's not, I guess from a bat? Where's YOUR burdon of proof?
The problem is it's easy to put that into a triangle and call everyone who believes in any of those things conspiracy theorists, of course, you only believe what's on the BBC I guess?
Anything outside of that is NONSENSE and WIBBLE and all those other phrases
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10313053/...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9957329/U...
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits...
USA - We most certainly weren't funding any viral research in China! At all ! Nuh-uh!!!
<links come out showing funding to the Wuhan Institute directly from Lord and Saviour Fauci & NIH>
USA - Um.......ok yes we were, but it wasn't Covid! Pinky promise !!!
But of course since it's been removed (?) from the all knowing triangle of conspiracy, it's no longer a conspiracy I guess!
Another example -
The fact that the "all knowing Triangle of excellence" lists "Anti maskers" as a "conspiracy theory"
yet there is no actual scientific evidence by means of RCTs or real-world evidence by means of comparing infection rates with / without masks which show there is any measurable benefit (please see the mask thread and https://twitter.com/ianmSC among numerous other freely available sources)
There are however numerous RCT which show no measurable benefit from masks, and lots of real-world datasets (see above) which show that masks actually don't do very much at all (compare Scotland or Wales with England, despite England having a generally higher population density - England without masks has done better than Wales and Scotland with masks, look at Germany with their mandated FFP2 masks and all the good it did !)
But rather than actually have an honest discussion about it - we label anyone who goes against any "mainstream narrative" as a conspiracy theorist, we shut down scientists who we disagree with, we give airtime to only those who are on board with the messaging (ironically many of whom aren't even scientists , or you have someone who has a PhD in food science claiming to have knowledge on how virology works !
This is very interesting from a psychological view point because most people are sheep , and I mean that with no offence, people will often follow the lead from other people without actually questioning why - a practical example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BkzvP19v4
You will have a hardcore 10% who are very PRO mask (for example) and 10% who are very ANTI
Then you have 80% in the middle who don't really care and will generally go along with what the majority do
Because you give virtually 100% of all media airtime and publishing to the 10% PRO mask lot the other 80% will fall in line simply to avoid any sort of difficult conversation and to "go with the flow"
Now the 10% is "actually" 90% and now that they have power of numbers they will berate the other 10% and of course it's a case of thy who shouts the loudest is correct in this day and age
I'm a science led person - I believe in Gravity for example, because it can be proven and measured repeatedly
I believe in the benefits of healthy eating, because this can be proven and measured repeatedly in double-blind peer reviewed studies and RCTs
I believe we landed on the moon, I don't believe that 5G is designed to kill you, when I'm ill I reach for some Asprin not some Ylang Ylang and Patchouli oil - but I do believe there is a marked shift in "left wing" extremists (you only need to spend 10 minutes on Twitter) and what can be construed as a move towards a more Marxist society if left unchecked, and I do believe that there are a few very wealthy and powerful people who are not elected who have more world-power than any of our elected officials - this can have very dangerous impacts
I believe there is a plan to reset the worlds economy in the name of the "green agenda" , the Great Reset is not a conspiracy theory - it is a well published document as well as plenty of links on our own Government website, co-ordinated use of phrases like "build back better" and "Fourth industrial revolution" - you cannot ignore a duck if it waddles and quacks.
To call someone a "conspiracy theorist" is a wide reaching comment which is generally given as an insult, a dig towards ones mental capacity - of course, this is typical of human beings and a general lack of empathy and inability to understand other views and articulate their views without resorting to cheap insults
I also do not trust "the science" when it comes to Covid-19 especially when the science is not actually clear - I believe the vaccines helped , how much is up for debate, I think a combination of a weaker strain (Omicron) and the vaccines were important, I don't think the vaccines on their own were a magic bullet - I am double vaccinated , But I refused the booster (I draw a line at something so ineffective I need to take a top up every 3 months)
I am 61 years of age, so a more "at risk" age but I've not been overtly ill or noticed any other problems - I'll take my chances I guess
Anyway back to masks - generally if there is a benefit in terms of someone's health and a medical intervention, this is obvious and repeatable , however efficacy of masks for example is not clear and despite several RCTs and hundreds of countries and millions of people worth of testing and introducing mask mandates and removing them etc there is not a clear link between introduction or removal of masks and an increase or decrease in infection rates
There are no RCTs which show any statistically significant benefit of masks, even the Bangladeshi one (which Pro-Maskers love to wheel out clearly having not read it) once you get past the incorrect headline , shows no statistical benefit of masks at all ! I can't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 20 less infections over 2500 people (within the error range so no benefit statistically) not to mention the masked group being given additional interventions like additional handwashing and "social distancing"
As for my faith in science overall, when we have Vallance and Whitty who are wheeled out as some sort of national heroes, the smartest scientific brains in the country , come onto live television in front of our nation to tell us that they "reasonably expect 4000 people PER DAY to die of Covid-19 despite the roll outs of Vaccine and natural immunity combined with a less deadly virus evolution, with some horrifically infantile graph which looks like my Son made it on Excel in Primary School - was not even nearly correct in reality - you cannot tell me that everything is above board - obviously nefarious tactics were at play
Sometimes it's more comfortable to deny you've been fooled
For me I will live out the next 20 years or so of my life comfortable with my mortgage paid not giving a crap either way until I die, whether the truth comes out between now and then is anyone's guess - I just hope my Son and my future grand children can enjoy the relatively prosperous life we've had - in my cyniscysm I would not want to be a <30 year old now as life just seems a lot less joyless and of course an up coming financial crisis coming, I guess that's another conspiracy that the UK alone can print an additional £400bn of currency and not have any far reaching problems
Edited by CarCrazyDad on Saturday 14th May 01:30
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
survivalist said:
Really? Seems to me it’s now clear that our response to covid was a massive overreaction, but one that one that politicians found it very hard to retreat from.
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
You're probably right on a few things, and wrong on a few others. But to extend any of that to "...which means it was a conspiracy" is where the whole thing falls down. There is no cover up, there was no overarching plot, it was nothing to do with Bill Gates.As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Which is to a large extent the whole point. Pretty much everything can be explained with good old cock-up and human corruption. There is no need for big conspiracies and plots for world domination.
deckster said:
survivalist said:
Really? Seems to me it’s now clear that our response to covid was a massive overreaction, but one that one that politicians found it very hard to retreat from.
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
You're probably right on a few things, and wrong on a few others. But to extend any of that to "...which means it was a conspiracy" is where the whole thing falls down. There is no cover up, there was no overarching plot, it was nothing to do with Bill Gates.As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Which is to a large extent the whole point. Pretty much everything can be explained with good old cock-up and human corruption. There is no need for big conspiracies and plots for world domination.
Plus, in many cases, present or past drug use is often a dfactor.
survivalist said:
Really? Seems to me it’s now clear that our response to covid was a massive overreaction, but one that one that politicians found it very hard to retreat from.
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Erm... no. As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
This is another of the CTer's main tactics. Absolute denial of the facts replaced with a fiction of what they think happened.
If anything, we didn't over-react, we underreacted and hence a virus killed over a million people. In May of 2020, it killed 1 in 10 infected. It really was a deadly virus and it's absolutely daft to pretend otherwise, let alone come up with a massive fiction of what would have happened if we had of just let it run.
survivalist said:
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
I'm not sure how you can type that with a straight face. The vaccines are why we've managed to turn a deadly virus into a merely dangerous one. People are still dying from COVID, admittedly, mostly those who refused to get vaccinated, but people are still dying.The fact that we became complacent every time protective measures forced COVID into retreat and allowed it to infect more hosts is the reason the whole thing went on for 2 years.
survivalist said:
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Now we're out of it, CTers like you really, really, really need to re-write history as everything you've said about the Pandemic didn't happen. Future studies will not show what you want them to, mainly because what you imagine happened didn't happen.
Edited by captain_cynic on Sunday 15th May 20:07
paulguitar said:
Exactly, it's pretty much all down to incompetence and corruption.
This, If anything I can forgive our initial, confused response from the Govt, in May 2020 we were dealing with a lot of unknowns. However in the UK and most of Europe, governments got out of the way and let the scientists and doctors get on with their jobs. It's only when they started interfering that the incompetence and corruption started to make things worse. With Johnson I can't say it killed people, but with the likes of Trump and Bolsonaro, they literally have blood on their hands by pretending the virus didn't exist. A fact the CTer's like to ignore.
paulguitar said:
I think conspiracy theorists are often paranoid and see stuff that simply isn't there.
The best way to spread a lie is to start with a grain of truth. Were there issues with the handling of the pandemic, yes, does this mean we did everything or even the majority of things wrong, most absolutely not.CTers like to use a legitimate issue as a crowbar to open the door to their world of wibble. Then claim you cant refute their wibble due to that one fact (whilst expecting us to ignore facts that are inconvenient to them).
captain_cynic said:
survivalist said:
Really? Seems to me it’s now clear that our response to covid was a massive overreaction, but one that one that politicians found it very hard to retreat from.
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Erm... no. As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
If all this nonsense was as terrifyingly deadly as people claim, why were all of the politicians closest to all of the data frequently ignoring these life saving measures?
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
This is another of the CTer's main tactics. Absolute denial of the facts replaced with a fiction of what they think happened.
If anything, we didn't over-react, we underreacted and hence a virus killed over a million people. In May of 2020, it killed 1 in 10 infected. It really was a deadly virus and it's absolutely daft to pretend otherwise, let alone come up with a massive fiction of what would have happened if we had of just let it run.
survivalist said:
As a result we had nonsense measures and pointless ‘booster’ vaccines to convince people that all their nonsense sacrifices weee worthwhile.
I'm not sure how you can type that with a straight face. The vaccines are why we've managed to turn a deadly virus into a merely dangerous one. People are still dying from COVID, admittedly, mostly those who refused to get vaccinated, but people are still dying.<br><br>The fact that we became complacent every time protective measures forced COVID into retreat and allowed it to infect more hosts is the reason the whole thing went on for 2 years.
survivalist said:
I’d be willing to bet that the events of 2020/21 will be viewed as one of the biggest examples of mass hysteria in future studies.
Now we're out of it, CTers like you really, really, really need to re-write history as everything you've said about the Pandemic didn't happen. Future studies will not show what you want them to, mainly because what you imagine happened didn't happen.
I don’t doubt that vaccinations saved some lives, but only for those who would have been at risk of death had they caught covid before it mutated to become less deadly. The vast majority were never at risk, so vaccinating them achieved very little. The vaccines are pretty poor at both long term protection and reducing transmission - so hugely important for a 80 year old, but mostly irrelevant for a 30 year old.
None of this is a CT, just reality.
The reality is that we spend a huge amount of money for minuscule impact.
On a more positive note, I’m glad that I ignored as much of this nonsense as possible - at least I got to enjoy some epically empty roads in 2020.
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