Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
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Kawasicki said:
Nowhere in the world does higher penetration of wind and solar coincide with lower/affordable electricity prices. Nowhere.
It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
Going to adopt 'Unreal's" debating style here; I don't believe you, and it doesn't matter anyway.It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
Why do CTs have exactly the same views on so many topics? Doing your own research appears to lead these people to exactly the same conclusions on so many different topics.
It’s almost like doing your own research somehow takes you down the same rabbit holes as every other independent thinker, independently.
It’s almost like doing your own research somehow takes you down the same rabbit holes as every other independent thinker, independently.
andyeds1234 said:
Why do CTs have exactly the same views on so many topics? Doing your own research appears to lead these people to exactly the same conclusions on so many different topics.
It’s almost like doing your own research somehow takes you down the same rabbit holes as every other independent thinker, independently.
They aren't "doing research". They're watching the same Youtube videos by deranged grifters.It’s almost like doing your own research somehow takes you down the same rabbit holes as every other independent thinker, independently.
Blown2CV said:
why would creating a whole new system of energy generation, at scale, immediately result in cheaper consumer prices. Do people not realise the sheer vastness of the investment required to switch?
Agreed. It's daft.A couple of questions.... just asking questions....
Why is this whole new system being publicised everywhere as being already cheaper than the existing system?
Why would the new (predominantly wind and solar based) system of energy generation ever result in cheaper consumer prices?
Kawasicki said:
Nowhere in the world does higher penetration of wind and solar coincide with lower/affordable electricity prices. Nowhere.
It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
Let's have some global data on that please...perhaps a table showing renewable percentage vs cost to the consumer per watt (or whatever) or else you're just howling at the moon.It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
We can then check your other claim.
Blown2CV said:
why would creating a whole new system of energy generation, at scale, immediately result in cheaper consumer prices. Do people not realise the sheer vastness of the investment required to switch?
Perhaps it wouldn't if the only cost to the consumer were on the quarterly bill, but as explained on the previous page 'cost' is more than just that expense.Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Nowhere in the world does higher penetration of wind and solar coincide with lower/affordable electricity prices. Nowhere.
It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
Let's have some global data on that please...perhaps a table showing renewable percentage vs cost to the consumer per watt (or whatever) or else you're just howling at the moon.It's coming though, right?
Really all we need to do is make nuclear or fossil fuel generated electricity significantly more expensive and then... ditto... wind and solar would then be the cheap option.
We can then check your other claim.
I’m pretty certain that most people who have had solar fitted in the UK had a period of much cheaper bills. However, I’m not sure what the current position is.
Spoke recently to a psychiatrist friend and the subject of CTs (especially cv loons) came about. In short; yes, they are mostly ill-educated thickos desperate for distraction from their failed lives. Usually see themselves as rebels, as enlightened ones, while actually being emotionally stunted, socially inadequate loners.
If you are unscrupulous, you can make a ton of money catering to that audience; AJ's Infowars, that nurse trainer who tells everyone that he's a doc, the '
Great Declaration' bunch and so on.
I'm thinking of launching a homoeopathic vaccine antidote. 'Be free from the oppression and control!' 'Guaranteed to kill 100% of microchips introduced by the vaccine!' '100% sheeple-free zone!'.
If you are unscrupulous, you can make a ton of money catering to that audience; AJ's Infowars, that nurse trainer who tells everyone that he's a doc, the '
Great Declaration' bunch and so on.
I'm thinking of launching a homoeopathic vaccine antidote. 'Be free from the oppression and control!' 'Guaranteed to kill 100% of microchips introduced by the vaccine!' '100% sheeple-free zone!'.
When you say "The Great Declaration bunch" I assume you mean the Great Barrington Declaration, which was put together by 3 highly qualified and experienced scientists based on classical epidemiological principles and ultimately put into practice by most governments worldwide - including China.
You mean that bunch?
Anyway I was just wondering what our Captains of Logic thought of the less obvious conspiracy theories often peddled on social media? I'm talking about the likes of:
- Boris wasn't really ill with COVID when he was admitted to hospital, recently repeated by Alastair Campbell
- The Tories want to sell the NHS off to their mates and bring in a US System, repeated by most of Twitter.
- The entire axis of evil in the UK is based in Tufton Street London, as often repeated by Monbiot.
- Just about anything ever printed in the Byline Times.
Personally to me they sound just as nutty and lacking evidence as the earth being flat and birds being real, however they seem remarkably absent from this thread? Is it a status thing?
You mean that bunch?
Anyway I was just wondering what our Captains of Logic thought of the less obvious conspiracy theories often peddled on social media? I'm talking about the likes of:
- Boris wasn't really ill with COVID when he was admitted to hospital, recently repeated by Alastair Campbell
- The Tories want to sell the NHS off to their mates and bring in a US System, repeated by most of Twitter.
- The entire axis of evil in the UK is based in Tufton Street London, as often repeated by Monbiot.
- Just about anything ever printed in the Byline Times.
Personally to me they sound just as nutty and lacking evidence as the earth being flat and birds being real, however they seem remarkably absent from this thread? Is it a status thing?
Kawasicki said:
Blown2CV said:
why would creating a whole new system of energy generation, at scale, immediately result in cheaper consumer prices. Do people not realise the sheer vastness of the investment required to switch?
Agreed. It's daft.A couple of questions.... just asking questions....
Why is this whole new system being publicised everywhere as being already cheaper than the existing system?
Why would the new (predominantly wind and solar based) system of energy generation ever result in cheaper consumer prices?
Every single thing that is sustainable is more expensive or less good. Otherwise we would all have been making wonderful, sustainable choices for decades and Gen Z wouldn't hate us.
captain_cynic said:
LoL,
You know it's BS now they've given it that name.
Considering the alternative proposal was called the "John Snow Memorandum" I'm not sure that's the slam dunk you think it is. You know it's BS now they've given it that name.
But then from my scientific background we tend to look at the content of proposals rather than just the name.
Blown2CV said:
why would creating a whole new system of energy generation, at scale, immediately result in cheaper consumer prices. Do people not realise the sheer vastness of the investment required to switch?
Why would being cheaper to the consumer be the most important validation of doing it if it’s something that needs done? The cost can be absorbed in many ways but influential vested interests don’t like to admit that.Do people not realise the sheer cost of not doing it
. But yeah, don’t make me pay, that’s the next generation’s problem.On topic, conspiracy theorists aren’t all thick, a few are very intelligent at spreading lies and the rest agree with them.
bodhi said:
When you say "The Great Declaration bunch" I assume you mean the Great Barrington Declaration, which was put together by 3 highly qualified and experienced scientists based on classical epidemiological principles and ultimately put into practice by most governments worldwide - including China.
The GBD was, and is, arsewipe. And to each of your points, no they aren't, no it wasn't and no it wasn't.And as for using *China* as an exemplar... words fail me.
Zumbruk said:
The GBD was, and is, arsewipe. And to each of your points, no they aren't, no it wasn't and no it wasn't.
And as for using *China* as an exemplar... words fail me.
Sounds more like your reading has failed you tbh.And as for using *China* as an exemplar... words fail me.
https://unherd.com/thepost/china-abandons-one-size...
And to your pints preceding that - you're just wrong. HTH.
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