Common mistakes or misnomers
Discussion
toasty said:
Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde also apparently got it ‘wrong’.
Far be it for me to say that a word can have more than one meaning.
Appeal to authority. Just because they were clever wordsmiths doesn't mean that they knew the etymology of every word.Far be it for me to say that a word can have more than one meaning.
Envious derives from Latin invidiosus, "filled with envy"
Jealous from Greek zēlos, "rivalry, zeal"
Very different words.
toasty said:
GasEngineer said:
Use of the words jealous or jealousy when they mean envious or envy. They're complete opposites.
Not just social media thickos - it's even prevalent on the BBC. And as for the expression "I'm well jell" .... you're envious FFS!
I need more on this. Jealous and envious are synonyms not antonyms, as are jealousy and envy. Not just social media thickos - it's even prevalent on the BBC. And as for the expression "I'm well jell" .... you're envious FFS!
Which word aligns with covetous and which does not?
GasEngineer said:
Envy is wanting something belonging to someone else. Jealousy is not wanting others to have what belongs to you.
I found a definition that said envy requires two people/things (i.e. you and something/someone else), but jealousy requires three people/things (i.e. you, something you have, and someone else wanting that thing).snuffy said:
GasEngineer said:
Envy is wanting something belonging to someone else. Jealousy is not wanting others to have what belongs to you.
I found a definition that said envy requires two people/things (i.e. you and something/someone else), but jealousy requires three people/things (i.e. you, something you have, and someone else wanting that thing).Anyway, point is that what you say is generally true but what makes one the correct word for a situation and the other incorrect is that they are fundamentally different feelings. Envy is a negative feeling about one's self, usually sparked by another person. You could be envious because you feel you don't have enough money, or hair, or you cant sing or dance very well. You could be envious because your friend turns up with a gorgeous new partner; but the misgiving is about yourself, not them. You would like to be able to have a gorgeous partner like your friend does rather than that particular person.
In contrast, if your friend turns up with a gorgeous new partner who you have always fancied, or even who used to be your partner and dumped you, that's jealousy. Their relationship is the problem. The negative feeling is because your friend has got between you and the person you have strong feelings for. I appreciate that's basically what Gasengineer and you have said but I think it gets to the crux of why they are different feelings and for me makes it clear and easy to remember.
snuffy said:
Damp Logs said:
May already have been mentioned, but my heckles rise whenever I hear ‘preorder’
That makes my piss boil as well. What ? You want me to order before I order ?Would you like to prebook at table ? No, I'd like to book one.
Sheetmaself said:
Has anyone done “over and out”?
Yes we get what you mean but by the book after you have said “over” I shouldn’t take into consideration anything you say after that and there the next question from the reciever should be along the lines of “anything else to add f
kwitt?”
No, because no one says "over and out".Yes we get what you mean but by the book after you have said “over” I shouldn’t take into consideration anything you say after that and there the next question from the reciever should be along the lines of “anything else to add f
kwitt?”It doesn't come up in everyday dialogue and if you've done your radio course you know better.
Balfour out.
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