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MikeM6 said:
Obviously the glass does not move on its own. Anyone who thinks it does needs to explain the mechanism for this. What exactly is moving the glass, if not the finger that is touching it.
There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
xx99xx said:
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenonThere you go. Nice and simple, reproducible, scientific, and definitely no ghosts required.
xx99xx said:
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.
Have you definitely ruled out magic, or vampires? How about werewolves?I think it could be the tooth fairy.
Debaser said:
xx99xx said:
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.
Have you definitely ruled out magic, or vampires? How about werewolves?I think it could be the tooth fairy.
cheesejunkie said:
Debaser said:
xx99xx said:
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.
Have you definitely ruled out magic, or vampires? How about werewolves?I think it could be the tooth fairy.
xx99xx said:
MikeM6 said:
Obviously the glass does not move on its own. Anyone who thinks it does needs to explain the mechanism for this. What exactly is moving the glass, if not the finger that is touching it.
There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
What you are actually saying is you don't know how the glass moves, then making a giant leap into the paranormal and bypassing all logic and reason and arriving at ghosts.
- Source of this is: "If we want some sort of pattern that carries information about our living cells to persist then we must specify precisely what medium carries that pattern and how it interacts with the matter particles out of which our bodies are made. We must, in other words, invent an extension to the Standard Model of Particle Physics that has escaped detection at the Large Hadron Collider. That's almost inconceivable at the energy scales typical of the particle interactions in our bodies." (Professor Brian Cox, 2017)
Edited by MikeM6 on Tuesday 21st March 18:34
cheesejunkie said:
deckster said:
welshjon81 said:
I'm not religious in any shape or form. In fact I would say I am anti-religious if anything but I wouldn't mess with something I didn't understand. And if my kids were, I would act in the same manor, it's a big no, no, for me!
It's a plank of wood. With some letters on it.HTH.
I'm reasonably confident that messing with ouija boards is risky to those who believe in the supernatural. But it's a bit self fulfilling. For the rest of us it's a bit silly. Finding the right balance between not believing in the bulls
t but not disparaging those who do is a tricky one. How hard should you go when something's obviously false but someone genuinely believes it? Studs forward? Religious opinions are protected more than most, so having them challenged is a good thing but what's a successful strategy? Evidently studs forward isn't.t.(Does not apply to mums. Lovely mums. Look after your mum, even if something she believes is bulls
t)xx99xx said:
MikeM6 said:
Obviously the glass does not move on its own. Anyone who thinks it does needs to explain the mechanism for this. What exactly is moving the glass, if not the finger that is touching it.
There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
As I said previously, the glass does appear to move on its own and I can't explain it other than saying it's ghosts. If you don't believe it then you should give it a go and see if you can find an explanation.There is no talking to the dead, becuase they are dead. If they have no mouths, how do they speak? What is moving the air past what to make the sound? There is no answer as it is not happening in reality, but rather it is perceived by those who wish to perceive it.
Did it carry on moving when you all let go of it?
That's what I would do, if I was a magic glass. I'd move around all over the place. Otherwise, well, nobody would believe I was magic.
My brother and a close friend had a dabble with a ouija board when we were teenagers. We made contact a few times, we thought each other were moving the wine glass we were using but when my Mum started coming up the stairs we removed our hands when we were in contact and the glass hovered over the board and shattered. Our close friend was killed in a car accident a few months later when the car door he was leaning on inside the car opened and he was hit by a car coming the other way as he fell out. Coincidence? I don’t know but I know I witnessed that and experienced it.
hammo19 said:
My brother and a close friend had a dabble with a ouija board when we were teenagers. We made contact a few times, we thought each other were moving the wine glass we were using but when my Mum started coming up the stairs we removed our hands when we were in contact and the glass hovered over the board and shattered. Our close friend was killed in a car accident a few months later when the car door he was leaning on inside the car opened and he was hit by a car coming the other way as he fell out. Coincidence? I don’t know but I know I witnessed that and experienced it.
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SpeckledJim said:
On the safety of a forum, where noses don't get punched, it's your duty as an Englishman to disparage the beliefs of people who believe something that is bullst.
(Does not apply to mums. Lovely mums. Look after your mum, even if something she believes is bullst)
I realise anyone can talk big on the internet but it would take a brave man to punch my nose. It has been punched many times already and has seen better days. I'm now quite defensive of it. I've a body that's built for violence even if I hate violence. Agreed sometimes it's your duty to not suffer fools but I don't like being the internet police or gate keeping.I struggle with wanting to row but not being too in your face.t.(Does not apply to mums. Lovely mums. Look after your mum, even if something she believes is bulls
t)Lovely mums. I went through a security questionnaire today for a work site pass. I'll not tell you the literal question but I was asked for my mother's maiden name so that they could check if she had any international terrorist associations. My mother! I had fun telling her. Her response was "fame at last". I'm hoping I pass the check but if I fail I'll have questions.
We had a go at university in the Eighties. All of us sceptics (engineers and scientists in an all male hall of residence) and not expecting anything to happen. One of the engineers researched it and used the tech drawing rooms to make a custom board about 60cm in diameter with the Lord's prayer in Latin written backwards in the outermost circle; the letters of the alphabet in the next circle. A big ass pentagram next with some spooky goat like characters between the spikes of the pentagram and a 666 in the middle of the pentagram configurated a bit like the Isle of Man triskelion. We figured, as sceptics, we might as well give the forces of supernatural the best chances of visiting us.
So we convened after a few pints in a dimmed room. Five of us sitting round the board on a low table with a small wine glass inverted in the centre of the table. We put the little finger of our right hnds on the upturned bas of the glass. None of us were sure what should happen next but I think someone said. 'Is anybody there?' Nothing seemed to happen for quite a while but when the glass moved it was very spooky.
It moved quickly and accurately between letters responding to questions
It span on its own axis whilst moving (we surmised because we were all pushing it - although not conscious of what we we doing)
It would do very rapid circuits of the perimeter of the board.
We never got any information from the 'dark side' whch could in any way be verified and the most suggestible member of our group seemed to be the one targeted by whatever was 'visiting' us
We probably did 5 or 6 sessions before we got bored; got ourselves girlfriends or got more compelling habits but when we convened to see if we could work together outside of 'seances' to make the glass move in the same way, we could never do it.
I don't think any of us thought we had genuinely contacted the spirit world but we had experienced something quite difficult to explain. The Christian Union folk were very concerned for our souls.
So we convened after a few pints in a dimmed room. Five of us sitting round the board on a low table with a small wine glass inverted in the centre of the table. We put the little finger of our right hnds on the upturned bas of the glass. None of us were sure what should happen next but I think someone said. 'Is anybody there?' Nothing seemed to happen for quite a while but when the glass moved it was very spooky.
It moved quickly and accurately between letters responding to questions
It span on its own axis whilst moving (we surmised because we were all pushing it - although not conscious of what we we doing)
It would do very rapid circuits of the perimeter of the board.
We never got any information from the 'dark side' whch could in any way be verified and the most suggestible member of our group seemed to be the one targeted by whatever was 'visiting' us
We probably did 5 or 6 sessions before we got bored; got ourselves girlfriends or got more compelling habits but when we convened to see if we could work together outside of 'seances' to make the glass move in the same way, we could never do it.
I don't think any of us thought we had genuinely contacted the spirit world but we had experienced something quite difficult to explain. The Christian Union folk were very concerned for our souls.
Caddyshack said:
Read the book ”Paranormality’ and then come back to this thread if you still believe the bit of wood can talk to ghosties.
Exactly - consistent with my experience - we'd done an experiment. Results were rather bizarre and inexplicable but shouldn't be attributed to supernatural forcesGassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff