Racism Hypocrisy

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HD Adam

5,143 posts

183 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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The one that gets me here in America is the hypocrisy when a black person is shot by the Police.

It will be reported in the news, the usual suspects get ready to riot & then it turns out that the officer was also black.

Then it all goes quiet.

If it had been a black cop kneeling on George Floyds neck, there wouldn't have been a BLM movement.

DodgyGeezer

40,152 posts

189 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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HD Adam said:
The one that gets me here in America is the hypocrisy when a black person is shot by the Police.

It will be reported in the news, the usual suspects get ready to riot & then it turns out that the officer was also black.

Then it all goes quiet.

If it had been a black cop kneeling on George Floyds neck, there wouldn't have been a BLM movement.
don't be opening that can of worms dude hehe

HD Adam

5,143 posts

183 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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DodgyGeezer said:
HD Adam said:
The one that gets me here in America is the hypocrisy when a black person is shot by the Police.

It will be reported in the news, the usual suspects get ready to riot & then it turns out that the officer was also black.

Then it all goes quiet.

If it had been a black cop kneeling on George Floyds neck, there wouldn't have been a BLM movement.
don't be opening that can of worms dude hehe
True though.

Daily occurrence in Houston when a promising Rapper/Basketball player gets caught out

LF5335

5,647 posts

42 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Is there some sort of rule that if the rants against sort of perceived positive steps in race relations tail off, then someone has to come on with some sort of tenuous rant to try to trigger some old school racism again?

Glassman

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22,501 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Bob_Defly said:
So you met a friendly guy at a bar and insulted him, and wondered why he found you offensive..?
It was on the basis that Jock is commonly used as a nickname.

Given my grandad was known as Jock and I'm part Scottish, it's also the basis of this thread. If people weren't so selective in their outrage, education has to be the way forward for more harmony in the world.



Blib

43,791 posts

196 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Bloody Bananas! Comin' over 'ere in their boats.......

The Spurs supporters turned the antisemitic word 'Yid' to their advantage by chanting it themselves.

Iirc, the police twisted themselves into a pretzel before deciding that it was OK for the crowd to chant the word.

It was either that, or try to arrest 50,000 people every other weekend.

Ooh, the paperwork!

ETA: PH doesn't censor 'Yid'. The racist bds. yes

Lo-Fi

647 posts

69 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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LF5335 said:
Is there some sort of rule that if the rants against sort of perceived positive steps in race relations tail off, then someone has to come on with some sort of tenuous rant to try to trigger some old school racism again?
Dunno about that, but using 'sort of' 3 times in one sentence should definitely be banned wink

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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DodgyGeezer said:
QJumper said:
So how does it work with other differences, as clearly there are physical differences between black, white and asian people that go beyond skin colour?
interesting question...

Asian people tend to be shorter
When was the last time the 100m world record was held by a white person (IIRC it was Armin Harry in 1960) or an Asian (IIRC, never!)?

this would tend to say that there are differences...
There are also socio economic factors that play into it. Lewis Hamilton aside, I can't think of another black F1 driver. Are white people genetically better at the attributes that make up an F1 driver? I doubt it. East Africans dominate long distance running. Is that genetic? Maybe having to run 30 miles each way to school every day from the age of 6 or 7 helps.

yellowbentines

5,296 posts

206 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Glassman said:
A few year back on holiday in Cuba, I got talking to a chap from Canada.At the bar we were having a bit of a laugh and he seemed to think I was cockney, and I picked up on his almost unique accent and detected a slight Glaswegian twang to it on certain words. I told him my grandad was a sweaty and he took exception to the term. Not so much the rhyming slang, but the reference to 'jock'. He reckoned that if my grandad was alive he would have given me a clip around the ear hole for using the term. Everyone in the village of Marcham (and the MG plant where he worked) knew him as Jock. This guy got put right off and found it difficult to recover.

As a Glaswegian if someone used the term 'sweaty' for us Scots I wouldnt get offended, or think they were racist, I'd just think they were a bit of a dick. There's a distinct difference.

Sticks.

8,706 posts

250 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Blib said:
Bloody Bananas! Comin' over 'ere in their boats.......

The Spurs supporters turned the antisemitic word 'Yid' to their advantage by chanting it themselves.

Iirc, the police twisted themselves into a pretzel before deciding that it was OK for the crowd to chant the word.

It was either that, or try to arrest 50,000 people every other weekend.

Ooh, the paperwork!

ETA: PH doesn't censor 'Yid'. The racist bds. yes
David Baddiel wrote a book about this aspect of racism. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-David-Baddiel-eb...

Raccaccoonie

2,797 posts

18 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Blib said:
Bloody Bananas! Comin' over 'ere in their boats.......

The Spurs supporters turned the antisemitic word 'Yid' to their advantage by chanting it themselves.

Iirc, the police twisted themselves into a pretzel before deciding that it was OK for the crowd to chant the word.

It was either that, or try to arrest 50,000 people every other weekend.

Ooh, the paperwork!

ETA: PH doesn't censor 'Yid'. The racist bds. yes
My brother did one of those DNA tests. It said he was 10% Jewish.I said how can a religion be genetically defined??? Still doesn't get it.

Slowboathome

3,242 posts

43 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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user name checks out.

Glassman

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22,501 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Raccaccoonie said:
My brother did one of those DNA tests. It said he was 10% Jewish.I said how can a religion be genetically defined??? Still doesn't get it.
Used to puzzle me too when someone said they were 'half' Italian for example and half Jewish, until someone explained that 'Jewish' is recognised that way. Still don't fully get it because a bloke a few doors down from us when we used to live in Finchley was Jewish Indian (from India). Can't remember what the history was but he considered himself Indian heritage. Slightly amusing side to it was he called himself a Hinjew (used as in Hindustan referring to the modern-day Republic of India).

Raccaccoonie

2,797 posts

18 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Glassman said:
Used to puzzle me too when someone said they were 'half' Italian for example and half Jewish, until someone explained that 'Jewish' is recognised that way. Still don't fully get it because a bloke a few doors down from us when we used to live in Finchley was Jewish Indian (from India). Can't remember what the history was but he considered himself Indian heritage. Slightly amusing side to it was he called himself a Hinjew (used as in Hindustan referring to the modern-day Republic of India).
I guess certain genetic identifiers can put to geographic areas, which you can sort of work out the majority of religions that lived there, but no exact science.

We are what we are. We are all very genetically similar slide to the fact very recent I think 75k years ago the humanity was reduced down to about 10k humans left on the planet. Leading to the genetic bottleneck we see today.

A good analogy is dogs and wolves can interbred, but look at the variances in dogs


Glassman

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214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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yellowbentines said:
As a Glaswegian if someone used the term 'sweaty' for us Scots I wouldnt get offended, or think they were racist, I'd just think they were a bit of a dick. There's a distinct difference.
Wasn't said in a way to wind up or offend, and given we were already talking about Cockney Rhyming Slang I didn't think any more of it TBH when it came out in the context of that conversation. Incidentally, he made his point about it being derogatory (and stuck to it) even thought I did try and argue that it wasn't and certainly wasn't mean that way.

When we played rugby against London Scottish years ago, it wasn't an issue to be playing the sweaty socks, a term most people seem to be okay with. In the same way, around where I live now the Cypriots don't have an issue being called or referring to themselves as bubbles.







BigMon

4,155 posts

128 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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I feel like I'm watching an episode of 'Love Thy Neighbour' .

LF5335

5,647 posts

42 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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Glassman said:
yellowbentines said:
As a Glaswegian if someone used the term 'sweaty' for us Scots I wouldnt get offended, or think they were racist, I'd just think they were a bit of a dick. There's a distinct difference.
Wasn't said in a way to wind up or offend, and given we were already talking about Cockney Rhyming Slang I didn't think any more of it TBH when it came out in the context of that conversation. Incidentally, he made his point about it being derogatory (and stuck to it) even thought I did try and argue that it wasn't and certainly wasn't mean that way.

When we played rugby against London Scottish years ago, it wasn't an issue to be playing the sweaty socks, a term most people seem to be okay with. In the same way, around where I live now the Cypriots don't have an issue being called or referring to themselves as bubbles.
Can you explain the bubbles thing? I’m not a Londoner so don’t have a clue about Cockney rhyming slang.

The point made by yellowbentines is interesting. He wouldn’t say you were a racist for saying what you did, but he would think of you as something else. If he then called you that, would you take offence? Bear in mind it was your comment that made him think of you as that in the first place. Also, just because he wouldn’t see it as racist, that doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.

Would you be happy if your glassfitters went around saying “Yo, my n-word” as a form of greeting to customers?

Glassman

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22,501 posts

214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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LF5335 said:
Can you explain the bubbles thing? I’m not a Londoner so don’t have a clue about Cockney rhyming slang.

The point made by yellowbentines is interesting. He wouldn’t say you were a racist for saying what you did, but he would think of you as something else. If he then called you that, would you take offence? Bear in mind it was your comment that made him think of you as that in the first place. Also, just because he wouldn’t see it as racist, that doesn’t mean others wouldn’t.

Would you be happy if your glassfitters went around saying “Yo, my n-word” as a form of greeting to customers?
First of all, I have no desire to use the n word. As much as I think it's funny when watching (black American) stand-up comedians using it, or in films etc but it's not part of my vernacular and I don't want it to be.

Bubble and Squeak = Greek.


Glassman

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214 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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BigMon said:
I feel like I'm watching an episode of 'Love Thy Neighbour' .
Comments like this a few others are a bit born again.



DodgyGeezer

40,152 posts

189 months

Saturday 25th March 2023
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BigMon said:
I feel like I'm watching an episode of 'Love Thy Neighbour' .
What is interesting about LTN is that it was the bigot who was the object of ridicule. Likewise I understand that It Ain't Half Hot Mum is very popular in India...