Depression

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anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 25th December 2011
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Digger said:
As mentioned 'Depression' comes in many guises. From what you have described I wouldn't be worried, just a tad concerned and a trip to your GP would be advisable - the fact you are asking here being the clue! smile

I'd hazard a guess there is a hint of bi-polar about you, but who are we to second-guess what's going on in our heads. smile
Thanks

I recently set the wheels in motion (maybe the reason why I'm a little more aware of my 'happy' periods), but I'm not sure how much I should be pushing and how soon smile.

Started doing a little more research and "just" (And I'm not belittling it in anyway, shape or form, believe me!) depression seems to be more often or not an all encompassing depressed mood where as although I'm a miserable sod 95% of the time there are periods of unexplained "happy" which while have never, ever been close to bounce off of the wall manic, they are certainly noticeable change to my usual demeanor which is severe enough to have people comment on me being in a good mood/acting weird, but not so bad as to impair my life (actually, if anything I'd prefer to be in such a mood more often!)

The more reading I do the more I tend to 'scare' myself. Its not a nice cycle to be caught up in frown.

timster

363 posts

160 months

Sunday 25th December 2011
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Have suffered from depression for 12 years,haven't found tablets that good personally but as others have mentioned exercise and good diet help.I think I know where mine stems from (childhood) which i'm working through at the moment with counselling not CBT but intergrative

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Sunday 25th December 2011
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279 said:
I've got to ask the PH suffers of Depression - Do you find yourself in a constant, unrelenting dark fog of Depression (until for whatever reason, you're pulled out of it), or do you very occasionally find yourself being inexplicably happy and then reverting back to the depressed/numb state?

I'm usually a miserable bd but this is occasionally broken up by rare periods where I actually feel REALLY good about life, singing, dancing, chatty, etc (albeit only for a few hours). The only way I can really explain it is like being tipsy despite being completely sober. Everything seems good, not great but good until I start to sink back down.

Just trying to gauge how much I should worried biggrin.
Yes this happened to me this week. Been having a hard time at work, stupid hours and had time off cancelled 4 times since September. I felt the black cloud looming over me, really struggling to get out of the van, let alone lug a heavy tool box to a customers house to then make small talk and probably get whinged at.

I too get this feeling of numbness and no emotion whatsoever. I can't concentrate, I've filled in no paper work this week, so have all that to deal with on Tuesday and I have a huge feeling of anger bubbling up inside, constantly walking around tensed up, clenched fists (not a violent person, never had a fight in my life). It also feels like what I can only explain as pressure building up in the top of my head.

Then the next day, I felt great, seemed to have lots of perspective, could see a way out of my rut, work didn't seem too bad. Was cheery, smiling, singing along to music etc. Then things started dragging on in work and I could feel myself slipping back again.

It wont harm to speak to your GP about it, I was convinced I was just having a hard time, but he seemed fairly concerned and offered me counselling, medication, sick note etc. Didn't accept any of it, but a recent bout of rage I had, has made me reconsider!

Digger

14,660 posts

191 months

Sunday 25th December 2011
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For these initial steps of facing up to any concerns it is ALWAYS good to talk.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Sunday 25th December 2011
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Digger said:
For these initial steps of facing up to any concerns it is ALWAYS good to talk.
Can't stress this enough! Although I'd recommend doing it with someone you know will understand and you can trust or you're GP.

A lot of people feel uneasy about the subject.

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Monday 26th December 2011
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279 said:
I'm usually a miserable bd but this is occasionally broken up by rare periods where I actually feel REALLY good about life, singing, dancing, chatty, etc
This is definitely the wrong way round. Life isn't easy, but feeling miserable shouldn't be 'normal'. Try to work ouy why, and go see your GP.


Edited by grumbledoak on Monday 26th December 05:48

UpTheIron

3,996 posts

268 months

Monday 26th December 2011
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Rickyy said:
I too get this feeling of numbness and no emotion whatsoever. I can't concentrate, I've filled in no paper work this week, so have all that to deal with on Tuesday and I have a huge feeling of anger bubbling up inside, constantly walking around tensed up, clenched fists (not a violent person, never had a fight in my life). It also feels like what I can only explain as pressure building up in the top of my head.

Then the next day, I felt great, seemed to have lots of perspective, could see a way out of my rut, work didn't seem too bad. Was cheery, smiling, singing along to music etc. Then things started dragging on in work and I could feel myself slipping back again.
I could have written that myself. I feel exactly the same.

Jimslips

6,419 posts

154 months

Monday 26th December 2011
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UpTheIron said:
could have written that myself. I feel exactly the same.
+1

Drink helps, for the short term.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Monday 26th December 2011
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Jimslips said:
+1

Drink helps, for the short term.
I'd avoid it personally! I always do if I've had a bad week, I tend to zone out in company and I can't sleep at night.

Digger

14,660 posts

191 months

Monday 26th December 2011
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Sorry but that made me chuckle.

... the one thread you chose to advocate getting potentially mullered on is one on 'Depression'??!

I know where you are coming from, but really ...

wink

richtea78

5,574 posts

158 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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I am looking for some advice as I wonder if I may or may not be suffering from something like depression. I may alternatively just need to man up.

I have Crohns disease which has been particularly bad for the last year or so. Some days the pain is so bad its literally all I can do to stop from crying. It feels like Im being stabbed repeatedly in the stomach. Some days its fine though and I cant work out why, neither can my Consultant and from doing a lot of reading it just seems to be something that happens.

The thing is, I will have this for the rest of my life and this is what is starting to affect me. I am not feeling suicidal but some days I just cant feel motivated to do anything. I stay indoors and even at weekends I sometimes finish work on a Friday and stay indoors the whole weekend. If my friends or family want to do something with me I make an excuse to avoid it. I just want to be on my own.

I have also found out that from May I will be losing my job. It wasn't the best job but I really enjoyed it and the company I work for are great about my Crohns letting me work around it. I just cant get passed the feeling that I wont get another job because of my Crohns. I have had a lot of time off sick but when I am well I do work extra hard to make up for it. I feel guilty when I am off sick as my colleagues have to cover for me and I don't want to do that to them but sometimes I cant help it. I spend a lot of time feeling anxious about it. The people I work with are great about it but I feel worthless.

I have thought about talking to my GP about it but I am worried that I will get labled as a nutter. I dont want it on my records that I have mental issues. I don't feel like I am going to kill myself but I dont feel like a "normal" person should.

I'm looking for some advice on what I should do.

Mrs OwenK

543 posts

161 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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once you find the right help, you wont care about the 'nutter' tag! I would suggest chatting to your GP, while you can, worse they can say is piss orf, they're not going to cart you off for asking for some help.

Arif110

794 posts

214 months

Tuesday 27th December 2011
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Mobile Chicane said:
Maybe one / both of you are taking the piss.

However, let's assume that neither of you mean any harm. Chill, Winston.

I've suffered from depression since I was 10 years old. Now, at the age of 46, I can assure you I know a thing or two about it!

People preach about 'exercise' as a major combatant. Well why, and to what end? I loathe the gym, the self-obsessed bunnies found there, and would far rather get out into the countryside for a walk.

Over the last few years I've found immense satisfaction in doing just that: myself and some work colleagues did a 100Km trek in aid of Oxfam and the Gurkha Welfare Trust. Between us we raised £3,500 which the company matched.

Last year I did a 100-mile trek across southern Morocco, and am going back this Christmas for more...

Goals and 'structure' to life help me. I'm sure that such an approach isn't a universal panacea, however at least consider it.
I wasn't taking the p1ss, either. The elements I was focusing on in my reply was the combining of 'exercise' and 'great outdoors' - that is the brilliant element of the advice that compelled me to post.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Had a bit of a thought about the whole subject.

Someone mentioned to me the other day that it seemed like there is a hole in my life that I cannot fill (stop the childish sniggering at the back!) and you know what? That's perfectly right.

I have tried and continue to try to fill the hole with cars. Chopping and changing every 5 seconds, obsessing over them to the point where it is very, very sad, and yet I am never happy. I've tried filling it with friends, work, food, computer games, books even exercise for a short period among other things.

The only thing that half fills it is drink (which I am about to tuck into after this post as once again going two nights without a drink seems neigh on impossible, I'm off work and it is Christmas(ish!) so polite drinking rules can go out of the window!) but that has the nifty side effect of either being sodding fantastic or absolutely horrible for one's mood, and of course, it is a very dark, slippery slope that has claimed many men greater than I.

But back to this hole. The thought occurs to me that I will never, ever been happy until I find and then fill it. I'm 20 now, that means that I've got a conservative 40, 50 more years on this planet. A long time to find what I'm looking for but even a longer time to live a life only partly complete with no guarantee that I'll find it before I pass, and I think that is quite possibly the most depressing thought of all, apart from maybe finding what makes you whole and then losing it...

There's a cheery thought for ya'll.

Jimslips

6,419 posts

154 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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279 said:
Had a bit of a thought about the whole subject.

Someone mentioned to me the other day that it seemed like there is a hole in my life that I cannot fill (stop the childish sniggering at the back!) and you know what? That's perfectly right.

I have tried and continue to try to fill the hole with cars. Chopping and changing every 5 seconds, obsessing over them to the point where it is very, very sad, and yet I am never happy. I've tried filling it with friends, work, food, computer games, books even exercise for a short period among other things.

The only thing that half fills it is drink (which I am about to tuck into after this post as once again going two nights without a drink seems neigh on impossible, I'm off work and it is Christmas(ish!) so polite drinking rules can go out of the window!) but that has the nifty side effect of either being sodding fantastic or absolutely horrible for one's mood, and of course, it is a very dark, slippery slope that has claimed many men greater than I.

But back to this hole. The thought occurs to me that I will never, ever been happy until I find and then fill it. I'm 20 now, that means that I've got a conservative 40, 50 more years on this planet. A long time to find what I'm looking for but even a longer time to live a life only partly complete with no guarantee that I'll find it before I pass, and I think that is quite possibly the most depressing thought of all, apart from maybe finding what makes you whole and then losing it...

There's a cheery thought for ya'll.
That is refreshing. I think that is exactly the problem I have. I like many, do not have the most functional of families which I think tends to be one of the root causes for many. (family/upbringing). Driving me nuts has said many lines along what you have said - finding the root cause / finding the 'gap' in ones life. I like you have drank, socialised, spent loads, saved loads, played games, got fit, changed job. Very little helps.

Not very cheery but I am very thankful for what I have.
Best of luck. The other depression threads on here are well worth a read too if you haven't already done so. There seems to have been quite a few in the last while and about 10 x as many people replying saying they feel the same but haven't spoken about it.

Rickyy

6,618 posts

219 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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richtea78 said:
I am looking for some advice as I wonder if I may or may not be suffering from something like depression. I may alternatively just need to man up.

I have Crohns disease which has been particularly bad for the last year or so. Some days the pain is so bad its literally all I can do to stop from crying. It feels like Im being stabbed repeatedly in the stomach. Some days its fine though and I cant work out why, neither can my Consultant and from doing a lot of reading it just seems to be something that happens.

The thing is, I will have this for the rest of my life and this is what is starting to affect me. I am not feeling suicidal but some days I just cant feel motivated to do anything. I stay indoors and even at weekends I sometimes finish work on a Friday and stay indoors the whole weekend. If my friends or family want to do something with me I make an excuse to avoid it. I just want to be on my own.

I have also found out that from May I will be losing my job. It wasn't the best job but I really enjoyed it and the company I work for are great about my Crohns letting me work around it. I just cant get passed the feeling that I wont get another job because of my Crohns. I have had a lot of time off sick but when I am well I do work extra hard to make up for it. I feel guilty when I am off sick as my colleagues have to cover for me and I don't want to do that to them but sometimes I cant help it. I spend a lot of time feeling anxious about it. The people I work with are great about it but I feel worthless.

I have thought about talking to my GP about it but I am worried that I will get labled as a nutter. I dont want it on my records that I have mental issues. I don't feel like I am going to kill myself but I dont feel like a "normal" person should.

I'm looking for some advice on what I should do.
First off, I don't buy in to this whole "Man up" attitude. Its a load of macho bullst.

Secondly, my personal opinion is, if I had a Co-Worker with a condition like yours (I know nothing about it, but from your description it sounds awful) I'd have the utmost respect for you maintaining a full time job. My workplace is full of lazy, useless and unreliable people who are constantly taking time off for hangovers and other trivial nonsense.

Speak to your GP, I made things worse for myself by not talking to anyone, I thought I could handle the way I feel, but I let it get on top of me and I have really bad days because of it.

You won't be labelled as a nutter, you may be surprised to find out how many people suffer with work related stress/depression.

crazy about cars

4,454 posts

169 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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Depression is a big word. It takes form in different levels of severity. Believe or not everyone of us has been depressed at least once in our lives - it's just some people suffer it their whole lives.

Sadly there's still a big stigma over depression even in today. As the previous posted has mentioned, it's hard to acknowledge that you are depressed as you will be labelled a "nutter".

I can't speak for everyone so I will speak from my own perspective. I've been suffering from depression for as long as I can remember. During my younger days, drugs and booze certainly didn't help much. However over the years after getting married and having 3 beautiful kids I decided enough was enough. I cleaned myself up and seeked treatment. Again, this is a very hard thing to do as I fear others will label me as a "nutcase" too. For the sake of my family I soldiered on. To anyone else it may just be as easy as "picking yourself up and get on with it" but things are slightly different for someone suffering from clinical depression.

I've finally found a suitable medication that works around my daily life, work and family but it is still a long journey. I do still have relapses from time to time, some serious and some not so serious ones, but each time I've managed to pull through without causing too much drama wink

Again, depression is different for everyone as noone is exactly identical biologically. I find that in the worse of times it is always best to rant and have someone who cares and understands to talk to. In really desperate times the Samaritans really do help. Deep inside me I wish I can be "normal" like everyone else and not feel and think the way I do but this is something I would have to face the rest of my life.

Things do get worse in winter due to lack of sunlight (which is tough few months for me) but I always look forward to summer where things somehow gradually improves.

No matter what, I would hope that more people would be aware of depression and not just treat it as a made-up illness. Remember, depression can take many forms but most of the time it just takes a nice chat from a caring person to make things much better.

M3333

2,261 posts

214 months

Wednesday 28th December 2011
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richtea78 said:
I am looking for some advice as I wonder if I may or may not be suffering from something like depression. I may alternatively just need to man up.

I have Crohns disease which has been particularly bad for the last year or so. Some days the pain is so bad its literally all I can do to stop from crying. It feels like Im being stabbed repeatedly in the stomach. Some days its fine though and I cant work out why, neither can my Consultant and from doing a lot of reading it just seems to be something that happens.

The thing is, I will have this for the rest of my life and this is what is starting to affect me. I am not feeling suicidal but some days I just cant feel motivated to do anything. I stay indoors and even at weekends I sometimes finish work on a Friday and stay indoors the whole weekend. If my friends or family want to do something with me I make an excuse to avoid it. I just want to be on my own.

I have also found out that from May I will be losing my job. It wasn't the best job but I really enjoyed it and the company I work for are great about my Crohns letting me work around it. I just cant get passed the feeling that I wont get another job because of my Crohns. I have had a lot of time off sick but when I am well I do work extra hard to make up for it. I feel guilty when I am off sick as my colleagues have to cover for me and I don't want to do that to them but sometimes I cant help it. I spend a lot of time feeling anxious about it. The people I work with are great about it but I feel worthless.

I have thought about talking to my GP about it but I am worried that I will get labled as a nutter. I dont want it on my records that I have mental issues. I don't feel like I am going to kill myself but I dont feel like a "normal" person should.

I'm looking for some advice on what I should do.
A very good friend of mine has very serious Chrohns, he goes by the name 'jonyTVR' on these forums. I feel for you totally, it is such a cruel disease frown

Id drop Jony a PM - he is very helpful and understanding having it mostly for his whole life, we have never discussed the depression that it must bring but i know he has had some very big down moments with this illness.



Zwolf

25,867 posts

206 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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279 said:
Started doing a little more research and "just" (And I'm not belittling it in anyway, shape or form, believe me!) depression seems to be more often or not an all encompassing depressed mood where as although I'm a miserable sod 95% of the time there are periods of unexplained "happy" which while have never, ever been close to bounce off of the wall manic, they are certainly noticeable change to my usual demeanor which is severe enough to have people comment on me being in a good mood/acting weird, but not so bad as to impair my life (actually, if anything I'd prefer to be in such a mood more often!)
What you describe sounds very much like cycles of depression and hypomania - an attenuated form of full blown delusional mania that often includes features psychosis.

These are differentiated as Bipolar I Disorder and Bipolar II Disorder (the Wiki descriptions are very accurate and contain the diagnostic criteria as defined by psychiatrists). Also look up cyclothymia, a lesser heard of depressive disorder - there isn't just one form of depression, clinically speaking.

My father and both my half-siblings are BP I (or "manic-depressive" as we used to call it in the UK), my mother is afflicted by good old unipolar Major Depressive Disorder and I'm BP II (hypomanic-depressive). Around 1 in 4 people are affected by the condition at some stage of their life.

I could elaborate my personal experiences of living with the condition both as a sufferer and as a supporter of a loved one with the condition, but basically I'm a boringly textbook presentation and so is she, our specifics aren't vital to anyone's (who doesn't know us) understanding of the condition.

I've related a few bits in various discussions before and that's as much as I wish to do so publically. I'm quite open to private discussion though if it helps a fellow sufferer of a depressive condition.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 29th December 2011
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Jimslips said:
That is refreshing. I think that is exactly the problem I have. I like many, do not have the most functional of families which I think tends to be one of the root causes for many. (family/upbringing). Driving me nuts has said many lines along what you have said - finding the root cause / finding the 'gap' in ones life. I like you have drank, socialised, spent loads, saved loads, played games, got fit, changed job. Very little helps.

Not very cheery but I am very thankful for what I have.
Best of luck. The other depression threads on here are well worth a read too if you haven't already done so. There seems to have been quite a few in the last while and about 10 x as many people replying saying they feel the same but haven't spoken about it.
If you agree so whole heartedly, could I possibly do a better rate on the loan you offered me for a XJR? hehe.

Of course, I'm only joking. I could that our cynicism is only that and we find what we're looking for in this life soon. Best of luck.