PH Transformation Thread 2012 - Chat
Discussion
Lost_BMW said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
It's an exercise that some can do safely but was generally considered a no-no for the average gym goer due the increased possibility of injury.
I personally find it difficult to do but my coach has others who do it.
IMO it - like anything I guess - is only safe until the day it causes an injury. Only takes one event and then sit out the setback. I personally find it difficult to do but my coach has others who do it.
Fair enough, no exercise is totally safe but with all the options available why risk one that might be more risky and doesn't seem to offer any particular or unique advantage?
I know folk who don't squat and/or deadlift for the same reasons.
Went to the gym last night in one of those moods when your really up for it and feel like your going to smash it up. Woman on the desk said its closed lol
Felt like i should still do something so went for a 7.5 mile run instead. Defo no more cardio for me until next week. Thats my 4th run this week. Legs are heavy as foof.
Was even tempted to have a ice bath when i got home but chickend out lol Anyone else tried one ?
Felt like i should still do something so went for a 7.5 mile run instead. Defo no more cardio for me until next week. Thats my 4th run this week. Legs are heavy as foof.
Was even tempted to have a ice bath when i got home but chickend out lol Anyone else tried one ?
theshrew said:
Went to the gym last night in one of those moods when your really up for it and feel like your going to smash it up. Woman on the desk said its closed lol
Felt like i should still do something so went for a 7.5 mile run instead. Defo no more cardio for me until next week. Thats my 4th run this week. Legs are heavy as foof.
Was even tempted to have a ice bath when i got home but chickend out lol Anyone else tried one ?
Ice baths nah! I don't think that is at all required unless you do something like play competitive rugby and have a body that is badly beaten up!Felt like i should still do something so went for a 7.5 mile run instead. Defo no more cardio for me until next week. Thats my 4th run this week. Legs are heavy as foof.
Was even tempted to have a ice bath when i got home but chickend out lol Anyone else tried one ?
There has always been two schools of thought over these things, either have ice baths or stay warm and using a hot bath/shower to relax. Some Pro bodybuilders still wear a lot of clothing when they train to keep temperature up.
Personally I'm not convinced with either method but I'm happy to be persuaded if there is a body of evidence to suggest more conclusively that a particular method works, however I probably still will not do either heh!
Bit of a combo post here, so do forgive me. Regards my training (@theshrew), I've done about six weeks of high rep, low weight training to test and strengthen all the connecting gubbins and work on form. I'm now in a period of 5x5 to push up the weight I can move. I'm primarily concerned with ironing out imbalances at the moment, so almost every compound move has a limiting factor at the moment, for instance, in the deadlift, it's grip and lower back, but I'm prepared to wait it out until the back and hands can support what the legs are ultimately capable of.
What I particularly liked was "In four great flavours" and proceeded to list fruity, girl-friendly flavours to hard rock riffs. Surely, it should be rust, Swarfega, Castrol and WD40.Reminded me of this: http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2010/05/14...
Specifically the quote: "he says that he takes a giant suck-it-up pill every morning and washes it down with a refreshing can of hard."
Finally, some anecdotal experience (mine) of ice. I have found that easing pain/swelling in the feet and lower legs can be achieved by cycling hot and cold. Get a bucket full of icy water and a bucket with hot water (must be able to put your hand in). Go cold first, for two mins, then hot for two, then cold for one, hot for one, and keep cycling on one minute for about 15-20 mins, finishing on cold. Worked wonders for me. It's supposed to cause a flush out and it was remarkable. As for filling the bath up with cold water and two bags of ice from Tesco, I'd have to have a can of hard first, but if Dr Greg, the Sport Relief chap recommends it, it's probably got some benefits, even if they are short-term recover oriented.
Hoofy said:
What I particularly liked was "In four great flavours" and proceeded to list fruity, girl-friendly flavours to hard rock riffs. Surely, it should be rust, Swarfega, Castrol and WD40.
Specifically the quote: "he says that he takes a giant suck-it-up pill every morning and washes it down with a refreshing can of hard."
Finally, some anecdotal experience (mine) of ice. I have found that easing pain/swelling in the feet and lower legs can be achieved by cycling hot and cold. Get a bucket full of icy water and a bucket with hot water (must be able to put your hand in). Go cold first, for two mins, then hot for two, then cold for one, hot for one, and keep cycling on one minute for about 15-20 mins, finishing on cold. Worked wonders for me. It's supposed to cause a flush out and it was remarkable. As for filling the bath up with cold water and two bags of ice from Tesco, I'd have to have a can of hard first, but if Dr Greg, the Sport Relief chap recommends it, it's probably got some benefits, even if they are short-term recover oriented.
It's funny we have been talking about the lat-pull down when my weekly update came through on T-Nation with an article on why the lat pull down can be a useful exercise.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_r...
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_r...
Ordinary_Chap said:
It's funny we have been talking about the lat-pull down when my weekly update came through on T-Nation with an article on why the lat pull down can be a useful exercise.
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_r...
That pulldown device looks interesting:http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_r...
Rather expensive for the home gym enthusiast though. How do I find somewhere local with one?
thegymgroup are installing this thing in their new gyms:
http://www.gymcompany.co.uk/strength/matrix-ft-300...
Looks like it could be used to perform similar exercises.
http://www.gymcompany.co.uk/strength/matrix-ft-300...
Looks like it could be used to perform similar exercises.
Thanks for the encouragement guys, I honestly didn't think I'd see results so quickly, but I guess all I needed was to get off my ass and do somethign about it.
I've even gone out and got one of them heart rate monitor watch things which records the calories you're burning, I'm then putting it all down in my fitness pal and tracking what I eat.
Here's a quick breakdown of my daily workout
Cardio 35 mins
treadmill 20 mins, speed 5.5kph, incline 4.0% for 5 minutes then increas eincline to 8% for 5 minutes, then back to 4 then back to 8 for the final push
Vario 15 mins, speed whatever I can keep up, and I add a 4% resistance, this b
d makes me sweat like nothing else on earth
I then rotate between upper body, and lower body
so lower body is
leg extensions 3 x 12
leg curls 3 x 12
Calf press
leg press 3 x 15 (weight 150kg, 120kg, 150kg)
assisted squats using the TRX
upper body is
chest press 3 x 10
lat pull down 3 x 10
upper back pull 3 x 10
kettle weight shoulder press 3 x 10 (8kg)
TRX rows
then 300 short quick fire front wing chun punches (this is the real killer for me, my arms are usually spent after this)
I then stretch for about 5 minutes and either shower or if I've got time 10 minutes sauna then shower.
If anyone has anything they'd like to reccomend or suggest to me let me know.
I've even gone out and got one of them heart rate monitor watch things which records the calories you're burning, I'm then putting it all down in my fitness pal and tracking what I eat.
Here's a quick breakdown of my daily workout
Cardio 35 mins
treadmill 20 mins, speed 5.5kph, incline 4.0% for 5 minutes then increas eincline to 8% for 5 minutes, then back to 4 then back to 8 for the final push
Vario 15 mins, speed whatever I can keep up, and I add a 4% resistance, this b
d makes me sweat like nothing else on earthI then rotate between upper body, and lower body
so lower body is
leg extensions 3 x 12
leg curls 3 x 12
Calf press
leg press 3 x 15 (weight 150kg, 120kg, 150kg)
assisted squats using the TRX
upper body is
chest press 3 x 10
lat pull down 3 x 10
upper back pull 3 x 10
kettle weight shoulder press 3 x 10 (8kg)
TRX rows
then 300 short quick fire front wing chun punches (this is the real killer for me, my arms are usually spent after this)
I then stretch for about 5 minutes and either shower or if I've got time 10 minutes sauna then shower.
If anyone has anything they'd like to reccomend or suggest to me let me know.
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