PH Transformation Winter Thread 2012 - Chat
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Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
@Hoofy
Good work so far mate, are you going to tweak your diet to start putting some weight on ?
Thanks!Good work so far mate, are you going to tweak your diet to start putting some weight on ?
Although I'll sound like I have a mental illness... I haven't finished cutting! I will continue to lift heavy (my strength seems to be going up still!!) with a very gentle calorie deficit until I either reach 10% bodyfat or am certified and end up requiring therapy for my eating disorder.
Then I will increase my intake to 2000 calories a day and continue lifting. Challenges are great but I'm in this for the long run.
BenM77 said:
Doesn't sound crazy mate, you are definitely in the right track. What height and weight are you at the moment ?
Thanks. The looks on "normal" people's faces always amuses me when they see me counting calories.Height... 5'6 (shame lifting doesn't increase height
). Weight... last time I checked about 2 months ago, 67.5kg. I'm not too bothered as my fat levels are dropping but at the same time I'm trying to increase mass (even if that isn't really happening).Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
Doesn't sound crazy mate, you are definitely in the right track. What height and weight are you at the moment ?
Thanks. The looks on "normal" people's faces always amuses me when they see me counting calories.Height... 5'6 (shame lifting doesn't increase height
). Weight... last time I checked about 2 months ago, 67.5kg. I'm not too bothered as my fat levels are dropping but at the same time I'm trying to increase mass (even if that isn't really happening).Not surprised people look at you funny when you count calories but it's the diet discipline that will get you to your goals
I'm currently eating 6 meals a day with, excluding breakfast, them all being measured out and I go to work with four tupperware boxes ready to eat at three hour intervals. My colleagues were a bit miffed to start with but have seen that after two weeks I'm fully committed to it (or is that, I should be committed!) and are now very supportive. Just started the third week, so ten more to go.
I'd like my abs back and apparently they're made in the kitchen.
I'd like my abs back and apparently they're made in the kitchen.
That's good - I've got myself a cool bag that takes everything nicely.
One very positive aspect of the many meals thing is that I have constantly good energy levels throughout the day now. Makes a big difference.
The wife asked how I was keeping the cravings at bay and it was easy to answer - I'm not really having cravings because I'm not getting peckish as I'm never hungry - and as you've said, you don't gorge on meals because you're never ravenous.
One very positive aspect of the many meals thing is that I have constantly good energy levels throughout the day now. Makes a big difference.
The wife asked how I was keeping the cravings at bay and it was easy to answer - I'm not really having cravings because I'm not getting peckish as I'm never hungry - and as you've said, you don't gorge on meals because you're never ravenous.
Edited by Asterix on Sunday 9th September 19:56
BenM77 said:
It makes sense to me, I am doing something similar at the moment as I want a decent starting point. I aim to stay under 13stone to look after my dodgy ankle.
Not surprised people look at you funny when you count calories but it's the diet discipline that will get you to your goals
Indeed! I could eat "healthy" and hope I'm eating right but then I will either not be eating enough or eating too much so end up guessing a lot of the time and can't really afford a cheat meal as I don't know if I've only eaten on the limit so a cheat meal would undo 3 weeks' worth of effort meaning I'd have to train harder in the gym... but how hard? Counting input and output is a more measured approach.Not surprised people look at you funny when you count calories but it's the diet discipline that will get you to your goals
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!
That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!
That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
The thing is although this fasting lark is the big thing at the moment it can't be claimed as 'the best way' as bodybuilders have done pretty bloody well eating 3,5,7 times a day, loads of ways to do it. I have lost 23pounds in under 3months eating 3 times per day and cutting the crap, it suits me to have a good breakfast.
Well, I've kicked things off nicely, doing a 54 mile mtb enduro. I'm officially quite tired and since I'm still lying down unsure if me legs actually work...
Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.
Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.
BenM77 said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!
That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
The thing is although this fasting lark is the big thing at the moment it can't be claimed as 'the best way' as bodybuilders have done pretty bloody well eating 3,5,7 times a day, loads of ways to do it. I have lost 23pounds in under 3months eating 3 times per day and cutting the crap, it suits me to have a good breakfast.
I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
Hoofy said:
Oh, I was really fasting just to see if I could fast for that kind of time because everyone is talking about it. If you get my meaning.
I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
What are you eating then chief ? Post up your diet would be great to get some idea what your having. Despite eating fairly clean most of the time ive got a bit of a belly again. I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
Im going to be very strict with my diet now. I intend to measure everything out etc but not really sure how much of what i should be having. For eg At the moment im just having a chicken breast and some veg. Not positive how much i should or should not have.
Smitters said:
Well, I've kicked things off nicely, doing a 54 mile mtb enduro. I'm officially quite tired and since I'm still lying down unsure if me legs actually work...
Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.
Nice work mate bet that was hard going. Id say it will certainly help your fitness. I would of thought it wont help you build muscle. If you enjoy it do it i say. Anyway, apart from the most transparent 'looky looky at wot I done', I do have a question. Do people reckon big endurance events help or hinder fitness? It was a six hour brutal event, so despite getting that much exercise, I've eaten loads of energy gels and will be hobbling on sore joints and muscles.
Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Hoofy said:
Aye to no hunger!
That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
I wish I could do that. Hunger really makes me grumpy and I know in work my mental capacity (or what there is of it) is reduced, I find it harder to think through the problems I'd normally not have a problem with. I suspect this is due to a lack of focus because of my rumbling stomach! I also start to feel sick after about 1/2 a day if I don't eat.That said, I tried a 14 hour fast again today just "because". You get used to that hungry feeling!
Still for those that can hack it, I think it seems to work very well.
The thing is although this fasting lark is the big thing at the moment it can't be claimed as 'the best way' as bodybuilders have done pretty bloody well eating 3,5,7 times a day, loads of ways to do it. I have lost 23pounds in under 3months eating 3 times per day and cutting the crap, it suits me to have a good breakfast.
I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
theshrew said:
Nice work mate bet that was hard going. Id say it will certainly help your fitness. I would of thought it wont help you build muscle. If you enjoy it do it i say.
Cheers. I guess I wondered what the impact of six hour plus endurance stuff would have on the body. Although I feel OK, there's no way I would want to be in the gym for a couple of days, so it'd clearly impact training in the short term, but I'm interested in the wider impact too. I shall do some reading and post findings. Suffice to say, I'm not expecting to see too many body-builders incorporating it in their routine!theshrew said:
Hoofy said:
Oh, I was really fasting just to see if I could fast for that kind of time because everyone is talking about it. If you get my meaning.
I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
What are you eating then chief ? Post up your diet would be great to get some idea what your having. Despite eating fairly clean most of the time ive got a bit of a belly again. I prefer eating about 8 times a day, eating 100calories every hour as well as (light) meals.
As for the empty feeling, I just kept drinking water and green/white/Chinese teas. I've done it whilst working and focus, energy and mood, fortunately, hadn't been compromised. In fact, dare I say it, I may have been more upbeat, being amused by the idea that I hadn't eaten for so long (because as I say, I normally am eating all the time).
Im going to be very strict with my diet now. I intend to measure everything out etc but not really sure how much of what i should be having. For eg At the moment im just having a chicken breast and some veg. Not positive how much i should or should not have.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/reports/printable_diar...
Bang in the dates you want (just do for the last 3 months and skim through). Those days when I don't specify foods are usually filled with fish and chips, pie and mash, sticky toffee pudding, ice cream sundaes, and so on. But the government says if I eat these foods I will become obese!!!!111ONEZOMG I eat all the time, way into the night, too. I eat fat. I eat carbs. I enjoy my food. I occasionally have cider and single malt whiskies.
Yes, that's right, the main thing I've done is eat with a daily calorie deficit (eating any s
t I want), lifted heavy weights and done cardio (HIIT works best for me). Simples. I'm fitter, stronger and healthier than I've ever been.BenM77 said:
Not aimed at you mate, just that fasting is not the only way. I would put money on it that if people on IF spread the exact same food through the day then they would have the same results, they just enjoy gorging !
I know; just decided to reply as I find it useful and like to share my experiences for others to consider. I'm not going to use fasting in any format as a real way of losing weight. I don't see the point when I could enjoy a biscuit at 11 like I always have done!Hoofy said:
Does this link work for you?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/reports/printable_diar...
Bang in the dates you want (just do for the last 3 months and skim through). Those days when I don't specify foods are usually filled with fish and chips, pie and mash, sticky toffee pudding, ice cream sundaes, and so on. But the government says if I eat these foods I will become obese!!!!111ONEZOMG I eat all the time, way into the night, too. I eat fat. I eat carbs. I enjoy my food. I occasionally have cider and single malt whiskies.
Yes, that's right, the main thing I've done is eat with a daily calorie deficit (eating any st I want), lifted heavy weights and done cardio (HIIT works best for me). Simples. I'm fitter, stronger and healthier than I've ever been.
Yes thats worked thanks. Love the chicken for breakfast :-) http://www.myfitnesspal.com/reports/printable_diar...
Bang in the dates you want (just do for the last 3 months and skim through). Those days when I don't specify foods are usually filled with fish and chips, pie and mash, sticky toffee pudding, ice cream sundaes, and so on. But the government says if I eat these foods I will become obese!!!!111ONEZOMG I eat all the time, way into the night, too. I eat fat. I eat carbs. I enjoy my food. I occasionally have cider and single malt whiskies.
Yes, that's right, the main thing I've done is eat with a daily calorie deficit (eating any s
t I want), lifted heavy weights and done cardio (HIIT works best for me). Simples. I'm fitter, stronger and healthier than I've ever been.Whats the quick added calories then ? At first i thought it must be a protien shake or something but then some of the posts are for 980 calories. Cant figure that bit out.
theshrew said:
Yes thats worked thanks. Love the chicken for breakfast :-)
Whats the quick added calories then ? At first i thought it must be a protien shake or something but then some of the posts are for 980 calories. Cant figure that bit out.
Just when I don't know the precise (well, nothing's precise) calories and am guessing what it is eg I eat in a restaurant or someone cooks me food or I'm offered a home-made cake or a handful of sweets and can't be bothered to figure out how many grams is in my hand. My guestimates can't be too far out (I know it's very easy to underestimate calories) given the results.Whats the quick added calories then ? At first i thought it must be a protien shake or something but then some of the posts are for 980 calories. Cant figure that bit out.
Hoofy said:
Just when I don't know the precise (well, nothing's precise) calories and am guessing what it is eg I eat in a restaurant or someone cooks me food or I'm offered a home-made cake or a handful of sweets and can't be bothered to figure out how many grams is in my hand. My guestimates can't be too far out (I know it's very easy to underestimate calories) given the results.
Ah i see im with you now cheers. Presume your just doing stuff working off calories not working to particular marco's ?
Im not sure what to do with the diet side of things yet might start introducing some more carbs brown rice or something maybe just on workout days. Ive tried to get more veg down at lunch rather than just with my eavening meal. Only done that for a few days so far though.
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