What training are you doing/have you done today? Vol.2

[mcelliott]

popeyewhite said:

mcelliott said:

... would be interested in doing a 4 or 6 week cycle on it. Interested in the safety aspect.

It's cheating and when the relative sports bodies catch up SARMS will be banned unless used under prescription. Just like testosterone. As to the bit you're interested in: Most research has been concerned with bone density post-illness (osteoporosis/cancer). Medical dosages have been shown to strengthen bones and increase lean mass, with few, if any, side effects. Bodybuilders have been interested in SARMS for quite some time, and have noted side effects at doses that increased muscle size such as impaired vision and nausea. Some sites recommend pct, but not all. Seems fairly safe...so far, but can affect people differently.

Ok thanks for your reply, that's more-or-less my take on it too. As far as the cheating bit is concerned, I don't do any competitive sports any longer so I wouldn't be cheating anyone out of anything. This would only be done as a month long experiment.

[didelydoo]

mcelliott said:

Ok thanks for your reply, that's more-or-less my take on it too. As far as the cheating bit is concerned, I don't do any competitive sports any longer so I wouldn't be cheating anyone out of anything. This would only be done as a month long experiment.

Read up, pick one like Ostarine and give it a go- there a quite a few others now, some with some reported sides. Don't expect much though- it's one of those things that's hyped, but lacks results. The studies re muscle wasting are promising, so perhaps useful on a cut, but I don't think it's muscle builder to any great extent.

Been off training for 6 days of total rest, quick tester session today>

Bench: up to 1x 180kg PB
Dips, 10 x +80kg, 1 x +110kg both PB's

That was all. Been after a 180 bench for forever, so chuffed to bits- felt great, bit more there perhaps, but no spotter and by myself, so left it there. Dips felt good to, though the +110kg felt like it was going to blow my shoulder joint to bits.....
Vids of all here - https://www.instagram.com/suprbot/

Probably start back properly on Friday.

[Halb]

mcelliott said:

Ok thanks for your reply, that's more-or-less my take on it too. As far as the cheating bit is concerned, I don't do any competitive sports any longer so I wouldn't be cheating anyone out of anything. This would only be done as a month long experiment.

I'd be interested in your study.

[popeyewhite]

mcelliott said:

As far as the cheating bit is concerned, I don't do any competitive sports any longer so I wouldn't be cheating anyone out of anything.

Semantics. It's about being 'natural'. Not that I care either way TBH. Only you will know. One other point I meant to add is that it seems with SARMS gains in lean mass seem to occur pretty randomly around the body, i.e. you can do loads of pull-ups and the thighs grow. Whatever weights you do it's likely your traps will develop as they have a larger amount of androgen receptors. Bone density will increase which will mean you will be carrying more dead weight on your bike. May be better just to go straight for an AAS cycle.

[chris watton]

didelydoo said:

Read up, pick one like Ostarine and give it a go- there a quite a few others now, some with some reported sides. Don't expect much though- it's one of those things that's hyped, but lacks results. The studies re muscle wasting are promising, so perhaps useful on a cut, but I don't think it's muscle builder to any great extent.

Been off training for 6 days of total rest, quick tester session today>

Bench: up to 1x 180kg PB
Dips, 10 x +80kg, 1 x +110kg both PB's

That was all. Been after a 180 bench for forever, so chuffed to bits- felt great, bit more there perhaps, but no spotter and by myself, so left it there. Dips felt good to, though the +110kg felt like it was going to blow my shoulder joint to bits.....
Vids of all here - https://www.instagram.com/suprbot/

Probably start back properly on Friday.

Fantastic Bench Press! For me, that's an astounding amount of weight for any lift!

[ORD]

didelydoo said:

Read up, pick one like Ostarine and give it a go- there a quite a few others now, some with some reported sides. Don't expect much though- it's one of those things that's hyped, but lacks results. The studies re muscle wasting are promising, so perhaps useful on a cut, but I don't think it's muscle builder to any great extent.

Been off training for 6 days of total rest, quick tester session today>

Bench: up to 1x 180kg PB
Dips, 10 x +80kg, 1 x +110kg both PB's

That was all. Been after a 180 bench for forever, so chuffed to bits- felt great, bit more there perhaps, but no spotter and by myself, so left it there. Dips felt good to, though the +110kg felt like it was going to blow my shoulder joint to bits.....
Vids of all here - https://www.instagram.com/suprbot/

Probably start back properly on Friday.

10 x 80kg on the dips looked strong and stable. Not so sure the risk / reward stacks up on that 110kg single, though - you looked like something could pop at any second! (Damn impressive, but not worth the risk of months off with a tear.)

Bench PB looked strong to my eyes - could have lifted a few kg more, I think.

[didelydoo]

ORD said:

10 x 80kg on the dips looked strong and stable. Not so sure the risk / reward stacks up on that 110kg single, though - you looked like something could pop at any second! (Damn impressive, but not worth the risk of months off with a tear.)

Bench PB looked strong to my eyes - could have lifted a few kg more, I think.

Got to push the envelope every now and then, or you'll never know what you're capable off.

Apart form my glute issue, I've never had a serious injury in all my lifting days- and I think that's because I go heavy a lot, rather than in spite of it. My logic is that if your muscles, tendons and core get used to heavy loads fairly regularly, then anything sub maximal shouldn't present an issue/cause an injury. Worked for me so far. (my glute pain actually started when I bent down at home one morning, not in the gym)

[Burwood]

didelydoo said:

ORD said:

10 x 80kg on the dips looked strong and stable. Not so sure the risk / reward stacks up on that 110kg single, though - you looked like something could pop at any second! (Damn impressive, but not worth the risk of months off with a tear.)

Bench PB looked strong to my eyes - could have lifted a few kg more, I think.

Got to push the envelope every now and then, or you'll never know what you're capable off.

Apart form my glute issue, I've never had a serious injury in all my lifting days- and I think that's because I go heavy a lot, rather than in spite of it. My logic is that if your muscles, tendons and core get used to heavy loads fairly regularly, then anything sub maximal shouldn't present an issue/cause an injury. Worked for me so far. (my glute pain actually started when I bent down at home one morning, not in the gym)

way to go on the bench mate, with a spotter for security you could have got 185 no question.. Epic Are you 6ft B? 107kg is big!

[chris watton]

didelydoo said:

Got to push the envelope every now and then, or you'll never know what you're capable off.

Apart form my glute issue, I've never had a serious injury in all my lifting days- and I think that's because I go heavy a lot, rather than in spite of it. My logic is that if your muscles, tendons and core get used to heavy loads fairly regularly, then anything sub maximal shouldn't present an issue/cause an injury. Worked for me so far. (my glute pain actually started when I bent down at home one morning, not in the gym)

I agree with this, despite having only 3 years' experience. The only times I have hurt myself are when I shouldn't have been training anyway, and with lower weights than PB's. Rookie mistakes and lessons certainly learnt.

I think that pushing the envelope on a regular basis is all part and parcel of weight training, if you want to be strong as well as look OK. As you say, heavy lifts help strengthen the core and tendons, making it less likely to get seriously injured in the long run. So for me, mixing reps from high-ish to low to 1RM's is an integral part of my weekly training for the main compounds.

[ORD]

May well be right - perceived and actual risk are often miles apart. I would imagine that going for a 1RM is not as high risk as it looks because focus and tension will be perfect (if you have good form generally). My concern was that DD was moving about a bit (potentially putting the shoulder out of its groove) on the dip. But he knows better than do I what his body can handle.

[chris watton]

I only want a bigger chest and thicker back just so I can shorten the ROM on Bench..

Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 25th April 15:24

[Halb]

Well I'm almost at half my old workload on the bench, go me!

[Granfondo]

Turbo 47 mins (1,2,3,4,3,2,1) strength intervals.

[Burwood]

chris watton said:

I only want a bigger chest and thicker back just so I can shorten the ROM on Bench..

Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 25th April 15:24

Years ago there was a guy at my gym who has a very odd body shape. He was probably 5ft 3" as wide as a barn door and his chest was so big he looked like he has swallowed a fridge. He only had to move the bar about 2 inches lol.

[Halb]

Saw a bouncer at a swanky (wkers) high street bar last week, he was so wide and thick he looked like a gorilla, or a cube with legs.

[Johnny]

6x5 Pull Ups
Lat Pulldown Plates 5x10@80kg
T Bar Rows 2x10@60, 3x8@80kg (+ bar)
BOR 5x8@80kg

[J4CKO]

chris watton said:

I only want a bigger chest and thicker back just so I can shorten the ROM on Bench..

Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 25th April 15:24

I realised I didnt know what my back looks like, so got my missus to take a photo, was pretty pleased, better than the front

[mcelliott]

First off, thanks for all the feedback on the SARMS - going to do some more research but looking like I'll go ahead and do it towards the end of the summer. Doing way too much cv stuff for it to be any use at the moment, but looking forward to my little experiment.

Anyway, tonight's ride below - pretty full-on hour in a brutal wind and then 120 pull ups at home and a few dips thrown in too.

https://www.relive.cc/view/957853557

[Otispunkmeyer]

Killer set in the pool yesterday. I think the timings were a little ambitious.

4 times through 8 x 75's

1) 37.5 m max, 37.5 ez on 2:30
2) alt free / non-free on 90
3) 100 pb - 15% target on 2:30 (essentially 8 75's max given the target and the rest!)
4) free on 90 (paddles or fins).

1 st set was enjoyable. 2:30 felt like way too much rest on the first one, but by the 4th you were glad of it... providing you were putting in 100% effort on the sprints.

3rd set was diabolical.


Pilates tonight though! (don't laugh... its quite fun!)

[chris watton]

Decided to do a heavy session today, although I think it messed up my deadlifts, as these were crap, meant to do 1x5 at 170, but ended up doing 3x1. I felt very weak, unlike lasts weeks 165kg when the bar went straight up no problem 5 times. Did I fry my CNS before I got to these today, do you think?

Back Extensions - 2x25

Squat -
3x12-8
5x5 and
5x1 up to 165kg

Bench Press -
3x12-8
7x1 up to 135kg (yet again I caught the bar on the underside of the supports on the rack, not sure what I can do about this)!
6 drop sets of 3-10 reps from 120-95kg

Strict BB overhead Press - 5x5 and 3x1 up to 75kg
Power Clean - 8x2

Deadlift - 3x1 with 170 (disappointing, felt drained before I started)

Pendlay Row - 5x5
Wide Grip Pull Ups - 3x10-7 (Starting each rep from dead hang)

Thought I'd smash it today but didn't do as well as I hoped. Still, as always, there's always another day...