Keto diet - anyone else?
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ShyTallKnight said:
Anyone else had a bit of a dicky tummy when doing keto..??
The baby talk is a bit unhelpful!When you first cut carbs your poor swollen body will quickly stop storing all that water. That can be quite a quick loss of fluid, out the back, if that is what you are referring to? You might also want to google "Keto flu" if you are new to it. And an Acetone taste in the back of the throat is normal too while you start producing ketones but not burning them. Drink more water.
After a bit of readjustment everything works normally.
grumbledoak said:
The baby talk is a bit unhelpful!
When you first cut carbs your poor swollen body will quickly stop storing all that water. That can be quite a quick loss of fluid, out the back, if that is what you are referring to? You might also want to google "Keto flu" if you are new to it. And an Acetone taste in the back of the throat is normal too while you start producing ketones but not burning them. Drink more water.
After a bit of readjustment everything works normally.
When you first cut carbs your poor swollen body will quickly stop storing all that water. That can be quite a quick loss of fluid, out the back, if that is what you are referring to? You might also want to google "Keto flu" if you are new to it. And an Acetone taste in the back of the throat is normal too while you start producing ketones but not burning them. Drink more water.
After a bit of readjustment everything works normally.
Also, if you're coming from the type of diet where you didn't eat that much fat, the extra will help move things along. This can be graphically compounded with having more fibre pass through you if, like me, on keto you're eating more veg than you used to.
I eat more vegetables and berries than I ever did before, and, perhaps surprisingly, less meat. Dairy and egg consumption's remained roughly the same.
NoVetec said:
grumbledoak said:
The baby talk is a bit unhelpful!
When you first cut carbs your poor swollen body will quickly stop storing all that water. That can be quite a quick loss of fluid, out the back, if that is what you are referring to? You might also want to google "Keto flu" if you are new to it. And an Acetone taste in the back of the throat is normal too while you start producing ketones but not burning them. Drink more water.
After a bit of readjustment everything works normally.
When you first cut carbs your poor swollen body will quickly stop storing all that water. That can be quite a quick loss of fluid, out the back, if that is what you are referring to? You might also want to google "Keto flu" if you are new to it. And an Acetone taste in the back of the throat is normal too while you start producing ketones but not burning them. Drink more water.
After a bit of readjustment everything works normally.
Also, if you're coming from the type of diet where you didn't eat that much fat, the extra will help move things along. This can be graphically compounded with having more fibre pass through you if, like me, on keto you're eating more veg than you used to.
I eat more vegetables and berries than I ever did before, and, perhaps surprisingly, less meat. Dairy and egg consumption's remained roughly the same.
I've been trying to drink plenty of water but maybe I'm not eating enough veg will try and up that a bit... On the upside the weights dropped off me however it feels this week like I'm s
tting myself thin will see what the next week brings 
ShyTallKnight said:
Thanks all its just I've been 'on it' for about 6 weeks now. I did suffer some keto flu symptoms incl a dicky belly early on and then it stabilised. However the last week I've been feeling quite bloated and had a bit of the shi-ites if you will.
I've been trying to drink plenty of water but maybe I'm not eating enough veg will try and up that a bit... On the upside the weights dropped off me however it feels this week like I'm stting myself thin will see what the next week brings
I experienced this a few times. In my case I was periodically “dropping out” of ketosis due to excessive protein consumption. Being diabetic I have the benefit of the necessary blood testing tools to see what’s going on. I've been trying to drink plenty of water but maybe I'm not eating enough veg will try and up that a bit... On the upside the weights dropped off me however it feels this week like I'm s
tting myself thin will see what the next week brings Excess protein can definitely cause gluconeogenesis which could tip your blood glucose concentrations high enough to bump you out of ketosis. If you’re flirting on the edge, you’ll be in & out of the flu stages quite regularly.
This may of course not be the case for you, but it was for me. Since cutting back my protein to religiously no more than one gram per kilo of body weight, I’ve been rock solid in terms of blood glucose and blood ketones. No intermittent gastric distress.
In short, ideal ketosis isn’t a protein free-for-all. Extremely limited carbs, moderate protein (as above) and add fat to satiate hunger for the path to perfection. In my experience and opinion anyway. I’m probably more sensitive than most
ETA: Snacking also isn’t conducive to keeping insulin levels low. Everyone should consider wanting to keep insulin levels at base level, not just glucose, and the distinction is often overlooked. If you find yourself wanting to snack, you’re probably not doing it correctly. In other words, snacking could be a telltale sign that you’re not fully and deeply in ketosis. Sorry for rambling but, as you can see, circumstance has forced me to be somewhat serious about this malarkey
Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 16th June 23:05
Yes of course, that’s not in debate.
My point is that high carbohydrate diets cause increases in blood glucose concentrations in everyone. The ability of their insulin to effectively neutralise those levels varies in everyone, too. But having large amounts of insulin coursing through your body is not how it was designed to operate. For starters it renders fat burning impossible.
My point is that high carbohydrate diets cause increases in blood glucose concentrations in everyone. The ability of their insulin to effectively neutralise those levels varies in everyone, too. But having large amounts of insulin coursing through your body is not how it was designed to operate. For starters it renders fat burning impossible.
Kenny Powers said:
Yes of course, that’s not in debate.
My point is that high carbohydrate diets cause increases in blood glucose concentrations in everyone. The ability of their insulin to effectively neutralise those levels varies in everyone, too. But having large amounts of insulin coursing through your body is not how it was designed to operate. For starters it renders fat burning impossible.
the Okinawans and vegetaran adventists had and have the longest lifespan with a high carb diet. It's not as simple as saying 'high-carb is bad.' I'm on a high carb diet. High carb is fine, MAD is bad.My point is that high carbohydrate diets cause increases in blood glucose concentrations in everyone. The ability of their insulin to effectively neutralise those levels varies in everyone, too. But having large amounts of insulin coursing through your body is not how it was designed to operate. For starters it renders fat burning impossible.
Mmmm. Liver, bacon, mushrooms, eggs, cheese, spinach, one chopped mild chilli. Super tasty, full of nutrition, and my pancreas is still having a lazy Sunday lie-in.
I also won’t need to eat again now until tonight. Cant quite put my finger on it, but it’s almost as though we were designed to not be starving to death three hours after eating
I also won’t need to eat again now until tonight. Cant quite put my finger on it, but it’s almost as though we were designed to not be starving to death three hours after eating
Kenny Powers said:
I experienced this a few times. In my case I was periodically “dropping out” of ketosis due to excessive protein consumption. Being diabetic I have the benefit of the necessary blood testing tools to see what’s going on.
Excess protein can definitely cause gluconeogenesis which could tip your blood glucose concentrations high enough to bump you out of ketosis. If you’re flirting on the edge, you’ll be in & out of the flu stages quite regularly.
This may of course not be the case for you, but it was for me. Since cutting back my protein to religiously no more than one gram per kilo of body weight, I’ve been rock solid in terms of blood glucose and blood ketones. No intermittent gastric distress.
In short, ideal ketosis isn’t a protein free-for-all. Extremely limited carbs, moderate protein (as above) and add fat to satiate hunger for the path to perfection. In my experience and opinion anyway. I’m probably more sensitive than most
ETA: Snacking also isn’t conducive to keeping insulin levels low. Everyone should consider wanting to keep insulin levels at base level, not just glucose, and the distinction is often overlooked. If you find yourself wanting to snack, you’re probably not doing it correctly. In other words, snacking could be a telltale sign that you’re not fully and deeply in ketosis. Sorry for rambling but, as you can see, circumstance has forced me to be somewhat serious about this malarkey
Thanks for detailed reply. I'm currently targeting 20% protein but do seem to struggle to keep that low regularly hitting mid 20's. Using your target of 1 gram per kilo body weight I've usually been well under my call 94 Grammys but have on a couple of occasions looking back rather exceeded that.... I'll keep a closer eye on my protein intake as like you say I don't want to be in and out of ketosis..!!Excess protein can definitely cause gluconeogenesis which could tip your blood glucose concentrations high enough to bump you out of ketosis. If you’re flirting on the edge, you’ll be in & out of the flu stages quite regularly.
This may of course not be the case for you, but it was for me. Since cutting back my protein to religiously no more than one gram per kilo of body weight, I’ve been rock solid in terms of blood glucose and blood ketones. No intermittent gastric distress.
In short, ideal ketosis isn’t a protein free-for-all. Extremely limited carbs, moderate protein (as above) and add fat to satiate hunger for the path to perfection. In my experience and opinion anyway. I’m probably more sensitive than most
ETA: Snacking also isn’t conducive to keeping insulin levels low. Everyone should consider wanting to keep insulin levels at base level, not just glucose, and the distinction is often overlooked. If you find yourself wanting to snack, you’re probably not doing it correctly. In other words, snacking could be a telltale sign that you’re not fully and deeply in ketosis. Sorry for rambling but, as you can see, circumstance has forced me to be somewhat serious about this malarkey
Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 16th June 23:05
Apart from this minor 'blip' this week I'm really enjoying the diet and are seeing some real benefits.
Nice one mate. Keep up the good work. It takes a certain degree of courage and commitment to continue in the face of adversity and ignorance.
It does take a while to really get into the flow if it. It’s a drastic change to the way you’ve been conditioned to eat your whole life. I stumbled quite a few times, even when I thought I knew it all. So important to keep sharing the information!
ETA: I wouldn’t think that most people are as sensitive to excess protein as myself, but the principle seems sound acrosss the board. Regular mild exercise will help keep clycogen supplies in the muscle and liver depleted.
It does take a while to really get into the flow if it. It’s a drastic change to the way you’ve been conditioned to eat your whole life. I stumbled quite a few times, even when I thought I knew it all. So important to keep sharing the information!
ETA: I wouldn’t think that most people are as sensitive to excess protein as myself, but the principle seems sound acrosss the board. Regular mild exercise will help keep clycogen supplies in the muscle and liver depleted.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Sunday 17th June 10:08
hyphen said:
Yes please. On a 'bed of' generously buttered wholegrain toast?
Sure, if you want glucose and insulin concentrations elevated for the next three hours. Of course that won’t be an issue if you’re not diabetic or are not trying to maintain nutritional ketosis, but whatever works for you! swerni said:
I’m not sure that processed meat would be classed at a group one carcinogen is based on the daily mail.
Is the world health organisation a credible enough source for starters?
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
Btw I’m not anti meat, I’ve got a smoker and rotisserie in the garden that I built from oildrums.
I just like to understand the impact of what I eat.
Prior to having cancer I didn’t give what ate a second thought, now I’m fascinated by it.
But this is probably a different topic to this thread.
Apologies
I'm much more interested in reading the research that these articles are based on Is the world health organisation a credible enough source for starters?
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
Btw I’m not anti meat, I’ve got a smoker and rotisserie in the garden that I built from oildrums.
I just like to understand the impact of what I eat.
Prior to having cancer I didn’t give what ate a second thought, now I’m fascinated by it.
But this is probably a different topic to this thread.
Apologies
A quick google finds this which may be of more use for those seeking to understand the basis for the reports
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2015/...
torqueofthedevil said:
Managed to keep up with keto for 6 weeks then it dropped off for a couple of months. Back on it now and going to try keep it up for a few months. Drinking is the biggest obstacle but going to start with the “skinny bit@ches”
Unfortunately I can't give up alcohol and that is what I do. Vodka mixed with diet something like Sprite. I'm travelling for work today and haven't seen people for a few months -- I've lost 24kgs and gone from a 36" waist to 30" so get the look up and down and the deliberation of whether they should say anything or better not in case I have some nasty disease.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff