Keto diet - anyone else?
Discussion
LordGrover said:
I'm three weeks into 30 days zero carb.
Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
For reference I consume vast quantities of spinach, asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower. Anything that doesn’t grow underground.Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
As always, be very mindful of consuming too much meat on a ketogenic diet. Otherwise you’ll just be on a high protein diet and won’t actually be in ketosis at all. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel it cannot possibly be overstated. So many people embark on ketosis and are just meat meat meat meat, blissfully unaware that they’re still running on glucose.
Kenny Powers said:
LordGrover said:
I'm three weeks into 30 days zero carb.
Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
For reference I consume vast quantities of spinach, asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower. Anything that doesn’t grow underground.Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
As always, be very mindful of consuming too much meat on a ketogenic diet. Otherwise you’ll just be on a high protein diet and won’t actually be in ketosis at all. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel it cannot possibly be overstated. So many people embark on ketosis and are just meat meat meat meat, blissfully unaware that they’re still running on glucose.
Cauliflower I need to do in a cheese sauce to really enjoy it
My downfall is maybe not enough leafy greens... I find it hard to get into lettuce, but will throw some pak-choi into a stir fry and have cabbage occasionally
feef said:
Asparagus and broccoli are my go-to veg. Can happily eat those day in day out.
Cauliflower I need to do in a cheese sauce to really enjoy it
My downfall is maybe not enough leafy greens... I find it hard to get into lettuce, but will throw some pak-choi into a stir fry and have cabbage occasionally
Yeah cauliflower I usually have with cheese. More commonly I just grate some to make cauliflower rice for soaking up fat in bowls of stir fry and the like.Cauliflower I need to do in a cheese sauce to really enjoy it
My downfall is maybe not enough leafy greens... I find it hard to get into lettuce, but will throw some pak-choi into a stir fry and have cabbage occasionally
My leafy green of choice is raw baby spinach. As a bed on which to serve other food, or in a fat bomb smoothie
Kenny Powers said:
For reference I consume vast quantities of spinach, asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower. Anything that doesn’t grow underground.
As always, be very mindful of consuming too much meat on a ketogenic diet. Otherwise you’ll just be on a high protein diet and won’t actually be in ketosis at all. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel it cannot possibly be overstated. So many people embark on ketosis and are just meat meat meat meat, blissfully unaware that they’re still running on glucose.
'Meat' isn't the issue, maybe it's lean meat? So long as fat is 60-80% I expect to be fine.As always, be very mindful of consuming too much meat on a ketogenic diet. Otherwise you’ll just be on a high protein diet and won’t actually be in ketosis at all. I know I keep banging on about this, but I feel it cannot possibly be overstated. So many people embark on ketosis and are just meat meat meat meat, blissfully unaware that they’re still running on glucose.
LordGrover said:
'Meat' isn't the issue, maybe it's lean meat? So long as fat is 60-80% I expect to be fine.
Protein is the issue. If you consume too much of it you’ll never be properly in ketosis. I’m not suggesting you need to be in ketosis, but if you want to be, you’ll take my advice 
LordGrover said:
How can protein, or carbs come to that, be an issue with high fat at 80%?
Well, if you’re at 80% fat then you’ll be fine, but I doubt you’ll be at 80% and at the same time consuming tons of meat. Perhaps if you only eat extremely fatty meat. I’m only saying that too much protein, irrespective of everything else, absolutely will prevent ketosis. It’s the first most common dietary mistake when beginning the ketigenic lifestyle, and I’ve confirmed it myself several times with my glucose and ketone meters.You don’t have to care, I’m just saying. The potential issue is that if you’re constantly flirting around the edges of ketosis, rather than firmly in or firmly out, you’ll likely feel pretty crap and experience no benefits at all.
In essence, regardless of fat consumption, carbs and protein will elicit insulin secretion. Insulin will dump you out of ketosis in short order if it’s even slightly elevated. Also, if you’re consuming tons of fat and going mad on protein and not especially careful with carbs, you’ll get fat.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 2nd October 13:06
I should add that “too much” is a very personal thing, and what is too much for one person won’t be too much for another. It depends greatly on body mass and physical activity. However, you can be be fairly certain that consuming hundreds of grams of protein per day will hinder or prevent ketosis
LordGrover said:
I'm three weeks into 30 days zero carb.
Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
How is the weight, or the waistline? I found I lost 5kg that I didn't think I had to lose. Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
I've got a house guest that is making zero carb impossible, but I'll be back on it shortly.
I'd been low carb/keto for a while beforehand so had already lost about 5 kgs over the preceding six or eight weeks (although I'd been drinking). I quit drinking when I started zero carb.
Yesterday I was 78 kgs and 31" waist. In just three weeks I'm down 3 kgs and about 2" off my waist.
FTR, strength has improved and I'm better defined - I don't believe I've lost any muscle mass, maybe even gained.
Yesterday I was 78 kgs and 31" waist. In just three weeks I'm down 3 kgs and about 2" off my waist.
FTR, strength has improved and I'm better defined - I don't believe I've lost any muscle mass, maybe even gained.
LordGrover said:
I'd been low carb/keto for a while beforehand so had already lost about 5 kgs over the preceding six or eight weeks (although I'd been drinking). I quit drinking when I started zero carb.
Yesterday I was 78 kgs and 31" waist. In just three weeks I'm down 3 kgs and about 2" off my waist.
FTR, strength has improved and I'm better defined - I don't believe I've lost any muscle mass, maybe even gained.
Do you do resistance training/lifting/bodybuilding?Yesterday I was 78 kgs and 31" waist. In just three weeks I'm down 3 kgs and about 2" off my waist.
FTR, strength has improved and I'm better defined - I don't believe I've lost any muscle mass, maybe even gained.
That was my experience too.LordGrover said:
I'm three weeks into 30 days zero carb.
Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
It may sound an odd question given that the diet seems to work for you, but isn't 3-4 steaks a day incredibly expensive? I honestly don't think I could afford this diet! Thoroughly enjoying it now, though the first week or two was a bit up and down. Periodically felt a bit sluggish and struggled to concentrate at times but now I feel great. Steak three or four times a day has not become boring, in fact I'm loving it, but as someone else mentioned - the smell of fried steak is wearing a bit thin now. It permeates everything. Extractor fans, windows and doors wide open - still it lingers for hours.
Another week or ten days and then I think I'll revert to VLC keto. Not sure yet what carbs/vegetation I'll include but lamb and chicken will be back in the mix, as well as some fish/shellfish.
DuncanM said:
It may sound an odd question given that the diet seems to work for you, but isn't 3-4 steaks a day incredibly expensive? I honestly don't think I could afford this diet!
Fair question. Yes, it may seem but it's not quite as bad as it may appear.Decent rump from my local butcher is c. £17 /kg and I'm buying about 4-5 kgs per week - but nothing else, apart from butter and eggs. He chucks in marrow bones and beef fat for free too, so I have plenty of fatty bone broth.
I'm not keeping count, but I'd guess £70-80 per week, which I don't think is outrageous.
LordGrover said:
Fair question. Yes, it may seem but it's not quite as bad as it may appear.
Decent rump from my local butcher is c. £17 /kg and I'm buying about 4-5 kgs per week - but nothing else, apart from butter and eggs. He chucks in marrow bones and beef fat for free too, so I have plenty of fatty bone broth.
I'm not keeping count, but I'd guess £70-80 per week, which I don't think is outrageous.
Oh that's not bad at all is it? Thanks for the reply Decent rump from my local butcher is c. £17 /kg and I'm buying about 4-5 kgs per week - but nothing else, apart from butter and eggs. He chucks in marrow bones and beef fat for free too, so I have plenty of fatty bone broth.
I'm not keeping count, but I'd guess £70-80 per week, which I don't think is outrageous.
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