Keto diet - anyone else?

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Calza

1,428 posts

56 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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If it helps absolutely, the best diet is the one that can be followed.

What I'm saying though is an actual fat loss protocol isn't necessarily required when consumption is so high and choices so poor.

Before I started lifting I was 110kg. Simply by controlling my portion sizes (paying attention to carbs but not overly limiting) and making sure my meals had decent ingredients I dropped 20kg very, very easily. Once I saw the results literally falling off me it gave me the motivation I needed. I still went out for a meal or had a curry every 1 or 2 weeks as well so I wasn't depriving myself.

At the end of the day it's like giving up smoking. You need to actually want it and accept some discomfort initially ... only in weight loss you can still eat a pizza every week.

grumbledoak

24,086 posts

174 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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I think it is possible to give up smoking and still eat a pizza every week.

PBDirector

655 posts

71 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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Hey OP, I've not got much to add but encouragement - just do it. I don't have an addictive personality of any kind, and I don't drink, gamble, smoke etc BUT I am a sugar aholic. I can eat two tubs of Ben & jerrys back to back without even thinking about it. Apparently other people don't do that sort of thing.

I switched to keto and it was the best decision ever. My advice is to start out with the first couple of weeks of unlimited keto calories. You will not get fat and it'll make the transition easy. Once you've made it through then you can dial the calories back. And after a month you'll be able to have the occasional blow out meal and get on the wagon the next day.

DO NOT try to do 1200 cals. that's stupid. I'm a big lump but on 3-3500 I can lose weight at a kilo a week.

Git er done!

AAz01

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99 posts

91 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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Calza said:
I have to wonder though, if you are trying to lose that much - do you really need a specified diet? Cutting back portion sizes a little and making smarter ingredient choices would probably see 30kg easily (I've been there).
It's controversial to say this, but traditional "eat healthy" diets don't work for me. I know it's a psychological thing (obviously if I eat less I'll weigh less, I'm not disputing that) but I can't do moderation. I've managed in the past, found it hellish and was in a constant bad mood for a few months while the weight dropped off... Then as soon as I relaxed just a tiny bit I would go crazy with my eating and quickly put the weight back on (and more) over the next few months. It happened a few times, and each time it was harder to find motivation due to the previous failure.
The "no more sugar cravings" aspect of a keto diet is what made me curious. So far so good, but it's only been a week.

AAz01

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99 posts

91 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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PBDirector said:
I can eat two tubs of Ben & jerrys back to back without even thinking about it. Apparently other people don't do that sort of thing.
You need both flavours though, or it's not a balanced meal.

I always found it funny when I went to the local sweet shop for a 500ml tub of ice cream, and they would give me two spoons.
1) Thanks for thinking so highly of me hehe
2) But look at me, we both know what's happening here, let's not kid ourselves rolleyes
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Stu-nph26

809 posts

46 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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I tried keto with mixed results it's definitely an appetite suppressant and works very well with intermittent fasting. My problem was cooking greasy food that made the house stink all the time and lack of options I ended up living on bacon, cheese and high fat meats like chorizo. I've had the most success with a low carb high protein diet but I'm currently trying IIFYM for the first time dieting with carbs.

Mr Roper

11,577 posts

135 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Yesterday I went back to a Keto diet....8 months of a new relationship with a LOT of restaurants, holidays, alcohol, takeaways and partying has gradually seen me put a decent amount of weight back on.

So it's back to bacon, eggs, steak and cheese (Blue cheese was a godsend last time as was cauliflower), and spirits with sugar free mixers.

Once you get into it, it's really not so bad...You can still get pissed and have a kebab on the way home. Just leave out the bread and stay away from beer.

oh and sugar is bad. Get used to not having anything sweet for a while hehe

Mr Roper

11,577 posts

135 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Mmmmm, fat.




Moos3h

99 posts

123 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Just weighing in here as someone else that is trying to subscribe to the Ketosis diet. I've done it for three weeks and already lost a stone and about 2 inches from my waist. In general I'm feeling pretty good but interestingly the sugar cravings are starting to come back in a BIG way.

grumbledoak

24,086 posts

174 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Moos3h said:
Just weighing in here as someone else that is trying to subscribe to the Ketosis diet. I've done it for three weeks and already lost a stone and about 2 inches from my waist. In general I'm feeling pretty good but interestingly the sugar cravings are starting to come back in a BIG way.
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oldbanger

3,993 posts

179 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Another keto person. I find I have to watch protein intake like a hawk, plus I don't do dairy. That makes it a bit less convenient.

oldbanger

3,993 posts

179 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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grumbledoak said:
Thanks, great article. The good old basal ganglia strikes again lol


Stu-nph26

809 posts

46 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Have a listen to this guy super smart - Dom D'Agostino professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology. He's the go to guy with keto and recommends a modified Atkins diet which allows more protein (circa 30%) as opposed to traditional keto which is around 10%. He also talks at length about the health benefits of keto and the mental sharpness with the brain running on ketones as opposed to glucose.

He can also deadlift way over 600lbs while fasted the guys a beast and a clever one! https://tim.blog/2016/07/06/dom-dagostino-part-2/

LordGrover

30,483 posts

153 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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High protein diets are proving to be more troublesome than high fat diets, no?

Stu-nph26

809 posts

46 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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LordGrover said:
High protein diets are proving to be more troublesome than high fat diets, no?
Would you consider 30% high protein? There's so much conflicting evidence its hard to know whats for the best. Like someone posted earlier the best diet is the one that you can stick with in my opinion.

LordGrover

30,483 posts

153 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Stu-nph26 said:
Would you consider 30% high protein? There's so much conflicting evidence its hard to know whats for the best. Like someone posted earlier the best diet is the one that you can stick with in my opinion.
The best diet is the one you can stick with, despite it being demonstrably bad for you?

AAz01

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99 posts

91 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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LordGrover said:
The best diet is the one you can stick with, despite it being demonstrably bad for you?
Lesser of two evils.

Being extremely overweight is so bad for your health in so many proven ways, that the question "is a high protein diet bad for you" is barely worth asking if it helps you lose the weight.

Besides, the keto diet isn't a high protein one.

Stu-nph26

809 posts

46 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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LordGrover said:
The best diet is the one you can stick with, despite it being demonstrably bad for you?
There is little concrete evidence to suggest high protein diets are bad for you. The standard american diet can be considered demonstrably bad for you, based on the health of the general population and the diabetes epidemic. Many will argue high fat is bad, high carb is bad, most diets if followed and calories are equal to or less than TDEE will result in health benefits and weight loss if under TDEE based on my own personal experience.

ben5575

1,851 posts

162 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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I did a couple of months keto and once the initial pain was over, didn't find it too bad.

I stopped as I struggled training on it. I do MA so more intense, explosive exercise rather than endurance or lifting and it got to the point where I felt so bad afterwards that I stopped the diet.

Any tips/thoughts how to train through it? Is there a modified version of it that people use successfully?

Stu-nph26

809 posts

46 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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ben5575 said:
I did a couple of months keto and once the initial pain was over, didn't find it too bad.

I stopped as I struggled training on it. I do MA so more intense, explosive exercise rather than endurance or lifting and it got to the point where I felt so bad afterwards that I stopped the diet.

Any tips/thoughts how to train through it? Is there a modified version of it that people use successfully?
Check out Robb Wolf https://robbwolf.com/ he does a paleo/keto approach with low GI carbs cycled around intense training like MMA.

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