Keto diet - anyone else?
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Baron von Teuchter said:
ATM said:
I assumed their whipped cream would be sweetened. My recent tipple has been the Cold Brew which can come with whipped cream but I go Black.
Yeah I did ask, it's 3% carbohydrate, 1.6g per 100 is sugar. So 50ml or so of cream is 0.8g which i can live with. 
Double cream definitely better though!
TartanPaint said:
Beware Starbucks cream. "Pouring cream" (as the staff call it, what you or I would call double cream, as opposed to the nasty skooshy whicpped cream that goes on top) is sweetened. Although I noticed it was also from a regional dairy, so might be different in your area. If in doubt, ask to see the carton and check the label.
Agreed. The golden rule with anything that you didn’t pick or catch yourself, is to assume it’s full of sugar until proven otherwise. You’ll usually not be far wrong. Especially in today’s low fat obsessed world,where nearly everything has added sugar to stop it tasting like s
t after the fat is removed.Just tried my first 'Butter Coffee' this morning. Not bad at all. Prefer it to the coconut version. Does anyone use MCT oil in theirs?
My weight has fallen of, 12kg in 10 weeks. The main benefit though is not crashing after eating. Bizarrely my eyesight has improved too. I've not worn my glasses at work for the screen work for a good 6 weeks now.
My weight has fallen of, 12kg in 10 weeks. The main benefit though is not crashing after eating. Bizarrely my eyesight has improved too. I've not worn my glasses at work for the screen work for a good 6 weeks now.
Slyjoe said:
Just tried my first 'Butter Coffee' this morning. Not bad at all. Prefer it to the coconut version. Does anyone use MCT oil in theirs?
My weight has fallen of, 12kg in 10 weeks. The main benefit though is not crashing after eating. Bizarrely my eyesight has improved too. I've not worn my glasses at work for the screen work for a good 6 weeks now.
what's your coconut version? And do you just drop a block of butter in your coffee?My weight has fallen of, 12kg in 10 weeks. The main benefit though is not crashing after eating. Bizarrely my eyesight has improved too. I've not worn my glasses at work for the screen work for a good 6 weeks now.
Without wishing to alarm you, your eyesight improving on keto may well be a sign that your blood glucose concentration has been elevated for quite a while. If you haven’t already, I would get yourself checked out. At the very least get yourself an appointment with an optician. Just a simple regular eyesight test these days will pickup any retinal damage.
I may of course be completely wrong but I’m unaware of it being normal for eyesight to improve on keto unless you already have diabetic retinopathy and/or macular edema. Don’t delay on this...it’s how I was diagnosed diabetic, and my eyesight dramatically improved as I got my blood glucose under control.
As I say, I do it wish to be alarmist, but I believe it would be remiss of me not to alert you to this possibility!
ETA: I just use raw organic coconut oil, no butter.
I may of course be completely wrong but I’m unaware of it being normal for eyesight to improve on keto unless you already have diabetic retinopathy and/or macular edema. Don’t delay on this...it’s how I was diagnosed diabetic, and my eyesight dramatically improved as I got my blood glucose under control.
As I say, I do it wish to be alarmist, but I believe it would be remiss of me not to alert you to this possibility!
ETA: I just use raw organic coconut oil, no butter.
Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 21st July 11:00
TartanPaint said:
Baron von Teuchter said:
ATM said:
I assumed their whipped cream would be sweetened. My recent tipple has been the Cold Brew which can come with whipped cream but I go Black.
Yeah I did ask, it's 3% carbohydrate, 1.6g per 100 is sugar. So 50ml or so of cream is 0.8g which i can live with. Double cream definitely better though!
feef said:
ATM said:
I'm trying to get back to Keto after straying into carby stuff recently. So I'm trying to consume extra fat right now for a few days to curb hunger and carb cravings. Then I dont plan on glugging oil willy nilly. It worked last time. I like nuts but thought the carbs in them are a no no. Is that a better option then just eating nuts instead of glugging oil / cream - or more specifically -
Can I eat nuts willy nilly to help get into a Keto state as I'm craving carbs and feeling hungry?
maybe not willy-nilly.. Nuts vary between 15 - 30% carb (walnuts are at the lower end, cashews the higher) but they do have a decent dose of fat in there.Can I eat nuts willy nilly to help get into a Keto state as I'm craving carbs and feeling hungry?
I've been using Saucisse (or Pepperami or similar :Aldi and Lidle are great for snack-sized ones) and beef jerky. I also quite like the 'pork crunch' which are a variation on pork scratchings, not nearly as salty and more like crisps. There are some interesting variations including chilli ones, but these are good value as a starter: http://amzn.eu/5Ck032Q
Halb said:
what's your coconut version? And do you just drop a block of butter in your coffee?
Just a tablespoon of coconut oil in coffee and use an electric coffee frother to mix it all in for a foamy top.Kenny Powers said:
Without wishing to alarm you, your eyesight improving on keto may well be a sign that your blood glucose concentration has been elevated for quite a while. If you haven’t already, I would get yourself checked out.
What should I ask them to check me for? Sorry - bit of a thicko here.But thanks for the info, it's a very real thing that has happened and I was just pleased with the side effect.
Slyjoe said:
What should I ask them to check me for? Sorry - bit of a thicko here.
But thanks for the info, it's a very real thing that has happened and I was just pleased with the side effect.
I have no idea but i know diabetes can affect 2 things, 1 blood glucose levels and 2 eye sight.But thanks for the info, it's a very real thing that has happened and I was just pleased with the side effect.
ATM said:
Slyjoe said:
What should I ask them to check me for? Sorry - bit of a thicko here.
But thanks for the info, it's a very real thing that has happened and I was just pleased with the side effect.
I have no idea but i know diabetes can affect 2 things, 1 blood glucose levels and 2 eye sight.But thanks for the info, it's a very real thing that has happened and I was just pleased with the side effect.
Sorry to have to say this but I think it’s very possible that you may indeed need to go see a GP. I would book an appointment as soon as possible. Explain the previous episode, and explain the improved eyesight after you cut back on carbs. I’m reasonably confident your doctor will organise a blood test and quite likely refer you to the eye clinic.
Don’t panic, but in my opinion you need to do this and do it quickly. I really hope I’m wrong, but you are describing diabetes. Get yourself seen to now before any real damage is done. High blood glucose is properly toxic and will fk you up if you don’t act.
Best of luck, and keep us updated
ETA: I apologise for the tone, and may very well be wrong, but I’m trying to scare you into seeing a doctor without scaring you
Do NOT shrug this off and hope that whatever it is passes. You might very seriously regret doing so
Don’t panic, but in my opinion you need to do this and do it quickly. I really hope I’m wrong, but you are describing diabetes. Get yourself seen to now before any real damage is done. High blood glucose is properly toxic and will f
k you up if you don’t act.Best of luck, and keep us updated
ETA: I apologise for the tone, and may very well be wrong, but I’m trying to scare you into seeing a doctor without scaring you
Do NOT shrug this off and hope that whatever it is passes. You might very seriously regret doing so Edited by Kenny Powers on Saturday 21st July 14:16
Not my eyesight per se, but my eye floaters which I've had since my late teens become less noticeable on keto, more so in sunny, blue sky weather and when I'm staring at a computer screen.
As an aside, I haven't been in ketosis for a couple of weeks now. The warm evenings, lure of eating out and some booze here and there have got the better of me! To hopefully alleviate my return to glycogenesis - is that the right antonym of ketosis? - I've been intermittently fasting based on the 16:8 window and made a return to fasted cardio which I used to do albeit without the strict eating window across the day.
Having been on keto for while, it seems so far that it's continuing to help me by changing/changed my mindset. When a plate of meat and greens is finished off in the evening, I no longer have the pang or mental craving for something else to eat later despite having had carbs earlier. Conversely following a carby dinner the next morning I don't feel like ravenous bear coming out of hibernation.
'Doing' IF must be a factor as well though - stabilising your insulin levels through any means = happy not hangry?
As an aside, I haven't been in ketosis for a couple of weeks now. The warm evenings, lure of eating out and some booze here and there have got the better of me! To hopefully alleviate my return to glycogenesis - is that the right antonym of ketosis? - I've been intermittently fasting based on the 16:8 window and made a return to fasted cardio which I used to do albeit without the strict eating window across the day.
Having been on keto for while, it seems so far that it's continuing to help me by changing/changed my mindset. When a plate of meat and greens is finished off in the evening, I no longer have the pang or mental craving for something else to eat later despite having had carbs earlier. Conversely following a carby dinner the next morning I don't feel like ravenous bear coming out of hibernation.
'Doing' IF must be a factor as well though - stabilising your insulin levels through any means = happy not hangry?
NoVetec said:
Not my eyesight per se, but my eye floaters which I've had since my late teens become less noticeable on keto, more so in sunny, blue sky weather and when I'm staring at a computer screen.
As an aside, I haven't been in ketosis for a couple of weeks now. The warm evenings, lure of eating out and some booze here and there have got the better of me! To hopefully alleviate my return to glycogenesis - is that the right antonym of ketosis? - I've been intermittently fasting based on the 16:8 window and made a return to fasted cardio which I used to do albeit without the strict eating window across the day.
Having been on keto for while, it seems so far that it's continuing to help me by changing/changed my mindset. When a plate of meat and greens is finished off in the evening, I no longer have the pang or mental craving for something else to eat later despite having had carbs earlier. Conversely following a carby dinner the next morning I don't feel like ravenous bear coming out of hibernation.
'Doing' IF must be a factor as well though - stabilising your insulin levels through any means = happy not hangry?
Personally I haven’t yet tried fasting, as such. Before I cracked the “Protein Problem” I found that skipping meals brought about gluconeogenesis and quickly elevated my blood glucose. But this doesn’t happen now that I have very little glycogen reverses at any given time of day, so I could probably try it out. As an aside, I haven't been in ketosis for a couple of weeks now. The warm evenings, lure of eating out and some booze here and there have got the better of me! To hopefully alleviate my return to glycogenesis - is that the right antonym of ketosis? - I've been intermittently fasting based on the 16:8 window and made a return to fasted cardio which I used to do albeit without the strict eating window across the day.
Having been on keto for while, it seems so far that it's continuing to help me by changing/changed my mindset. When a plate of meat and greens is finished off in the evening, I no longer have the pang or mental craving for something else to eat later despite having had carbs earlier. Conversely following a carby dinner the next morning I don't feel like ravenous bear coming out of hibernation.
'Doing' IF must be a factor as well though - stabilising your insulin levels through any means = happy not hangry?
Honestly though I don’t think it’s necessary for me. My mantra - “eat when hungry and stop when full irrespective of any other factors” - seems to suit me. Super stable blood glucose 24-7 indicates correspondingly steady insulin levels (because mine doesn’t really work, so my glucose would rise at the same time as insulin). In other words I doubt I’d see a tangible benefit. Technically I guess I’d also have to stop having half a cup of double cream in my coffee whilst fasted, and that ain’t happening
But yes, fasting should be of benefit to you in the context you make. Not only will it prevent excessive insulin secretion, but it will also help your body to use up some of its glycogen stores. Effectively you’ll be purging glucose and glycogen, and helping promote the speedy manufacture of ketones when you switch back.
Here's a bit of an anecdote that might be interesting to the readers of this thread (or maybe not, you can be the judge of that )
I posted a few months back in the thread that I was going to try the Keto diet solely for weight loss purposes. I also posted that I had absolutely no self control when it came to cakes, biscuits and sweets etc. I didn't actually post it, but it was a fact that eating any amount of these things had no negative impact whatsoever (other than the weight gain obviously)
After a few weeks it was apparent that although I hadn't got into a 'full' Keto diet, the basic idea of low carbs and low sugar was resulting in really good weight loss and so I continued to keep eating the same things and doing the same stuff.
Until Sunday. My son decided he wanted to make a cake, a chocolate cake to be exact. So we did, lots of eating cake mix and icing as we went along (like being a kid again) and then a decent sized slice of the cake once it was cooked and cooled. Either side of this was a BBQ, including bread rolls etc.
Within a couple of hours, I felt awful. Tired, lethargic, headache, bit sick and generally rubbish, then had a terrible nights sleep and still a headache the next day that faded by the afternoon. I think it was a reaction to the sudden dumping a load of sugar into my body in a way it hasn't had to deal with for about four months. To be clear it wasn't alcohol as I hadn't had a drop. If my theory is correct, I'm amazed just how quickly my body has become unused to a large influx of sugar.
Won't make that mistake again!
) I posted a few months back in the thread that I was going to try the Keto diet solely for weight loss purposes. I also posted that I had absolutely no self control when it came to cakes, biscuits and sweets etc. I didn't actually post it, but it was a fact that eating any amount of these things had no negative impact whatsoever (other than the weight gain obviously)
After a few weeks it was apparent that although I hadn't got into a 'full' Keto diet, the basic idea of low carbs and low sugar was resulting in really good weight loss and so I continued to keep eating the same things and doing the same stuff.
Until Sunday. My son decided he wanted to make a cake, a chocolate cake to be exact. So we did, lots of eating cake mix and icing as we went along (like being a kid again) and then a decent sized slice of the cake once it was cooked and cooled. Either side of this was a BBQ, including bread rolls etc.
Within a couple of hours, I felt awful. Tired, lethargic, headache, bit sick and generally rubbish, then had a terrible nights sleep and still a headache the next day that faded by the afternoon. I think it was a reaction to the sudden dumping a load of sugar into my body in a way it hasn't had to deal with for about four months. To be clear it wasn't alcohol as I hadn't had a drop. If my theory is correct, I'm amazed just how quickly my body has become unused to a large influx of sugar.
Won't make that mistake again!
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