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smiffy180 said:
knk said:
Anyone using SARMS? Pretty widely available , in fact I think someone who posts on here was selling them on their strongman training kit site.
Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. (The name follows the terminology currently used for similar molecules targeting the estrogen receptor, "selective estrogen receptor modulators," such as tamoxifen.) They are intended to have the same kind of effects as androgenic drugs like anabolic steroids but be much more selective in their action,[1] allowing them to be used for many more clinical indications than the relatively limited legitimate uses that anabolic steroids are currently approved for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_androgen_r...
Me and me hah. Selective androgen receptor modulators or SARMs are a novel class of androgen receptor ligands. (The name follows the terminology currently used for similar molecules targeting the estrogen receptor, "selective estrogen receptor modulators," such as tamoxifen.) They are intended to have the same kind of effects as androgenic drugs like anabolic steroids but be much more selective in their action,[1] allowing them to be used for many more clinical indications than the relatively limited legitimate uses that anabolic steroids are currently approved for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_androgen_r...
Using them to help speed up healing process of tendon reattachment surgery.
Once I'm back to 100% I'll be using them for strength then assess whether or not gear is needed if I can manage to make it to WSM.
Loads of my customers swear by them for strength/size too, although I don't believe they've taken any gear before either so it's a big step up from creatine you could say.
Halb said:
THere is a great Joe Rogan podcast with a bloke called Bilzarian, he took stem cells in Cananda, and had instant effect in the gym. If I was a millionaire, I would do this myself.
THe mentions of IGF above have piqued my interest, especially over repair to damaged tendons.
As an aside, I am currently on the third day of a fast, one of the benefits I have read about being increased HGH.
Halb - Did you research into this any further? I started to but then had to travel with work so not taken it any further.THe mentions of IGF above have piqued my interest, especially over repair to damaged tendons.
As an aside, I am currently on the third day of a fast, one of the benefits I have read about being increased HGH.
I did ask the surgeon about it and getting it prescribed by the NHS, unsurprisingly he said No to both.
Another guy i asked if he knew about it as i think he dabbled in the past said not to take anything if im potentially going under the knife again :-/
I think 1,300 - 2,000 % increase is more than slight, and from what I've read there is no or minimal loss. The ramped up HGH increases mass by considerable margin.
lemmingjames said:
Halb - Did you research into this any further? I started to but then had to travel with work so not taken it any further.
I did ask the surgeon about it and getting it prescribed by the NHS, unsurprisingly he said No to both.
Another guy i asked if he knew about it as i think he dabbled in the past said not to take anything if im potentially going under the knife again :-/
I looked for it. But not very much, it's in the realm of those with the cash at the moment. Bilzerian wanted the anti-aging effects, and he had the cash to go to Cananda, where it can be done. From the sounds of it, it's a bit like sci-fi box that resets you back (depending how much you take) many years.I did ask the surgeon about it and getting it prescribed by the NHS, unsurprisingly he said No to both.
Another guy i asked if he knew about it as i think he dabbled in the past said not to take anything if im potentially going under the knife again :-/
For the last 20 years I've gone through phases of hitting the gym pretty hard to once a week if I can be arsed. The guys on the gear stand out a mile so it obviously works, although they rarely seem to be actually lifting heavier?
I've never been tempted to my eyes they look like the girls who pump their lips up with collagen and apply make up using a trowel, a look only attractive or desirable to other people trying to achieve the same look, edges too far into freak show for me to see the appeal.
If it's how you make a living then I can see the point but otherwise I'll stick with my noodle arms.
I've never been tempted to my eyes they look like the girls who pump their lips up with collagen and apply make up using a trowel, a look only attractive or desirable to other people trying to achieve the same look, edges too far into freak show for me to see the appeal.
If it's how you make a living then I can see the point but otherwise I'll stick with my noodle arms.
Halb said:
I think 1,300 - 2,000 % increase is more than slight, and from what I've read there is no or minimal loss. The ramped up HGH increases mass by considerable margin.
The trouble is that you won't be able to train hypertrophy or power (not enough time for calories for energy/recovery, on a 16/8 anyway) - which is what most of us enjoy. You'll also obvs have to forget about any bulking. That aside the science is plausible. You'll have to let us know how much lean mass you pack on Halb. 
popeyewhite said:
The trouble is that you won't be able to train hypertrophy or power (not enough time for calories for energy/recovery, on a 16/8 anyway) - which is what most of us enjoy. You'll also obvs have to forget about any bulking. That aside the science is plausible. You'll have to let us know how much lean mass you pack on Halb.
I train not to get big (with he exception of rear delts for balance in the mirror), I get big sitting down (though I know that power goes as age comes on) Back when I started IF for the first time, 3 years ago, I was strict. There was a poster here, Pilchardcat I think, he had done it too. I dropped fat, added lean mass and on a calorie deficit too. I know it works. Got in the best shape I had been in since 18. If my powercleans go up, I know I'm adding power.Halb said:
popeyewhite said:
The trouble is that you won't be able to train hypertrophy or power (not enough time for calories for energy/recovery, on a 16/8 anyway) - which is what most of us enjoy. You'll also obvs have to forget about any bulking. That aside the science is plausible. You'll have to let us know how much lean mass you pack on Halb.
I train not to get big (with he exception of rear delts for balance in the mirror), I get big sitting down (though I know that power goes as age comes on) Back when I started IF for the first time, 3 years ago, I was strict. There was a poster here, Pilchardcat I think, he had done it too. I dropped fat, added lean mass and on a calorie deficit too. I know it works. Got in the best shape I had been in since 18. If my powercleans go up, I know I'm adding power.popeyewhite said:
Sure, I'm not disputing any of that as I know next to nothing about this kind of dieting. I'd suggest though that if power goes up it's because of some factor (ie change of routine) other than an increase in HGH.
It's possible. I'm gonna switch to a variant on Ripp's starting strength, using a modified version I found on ss.com, by someone called Tad_T, looking at hlm/texas. I'm also gonna swap in one of my circuits for one day, so I expect PCs to go up since they were limited by my pep as part of my circuits before. I'm not chasing numbers though, done with that for now.I saw this thread by accident and clicked on it to see if there was anything new that might help my current RC injury.
Well, SARMs are new to me and look to be worth trying, although more research says they may not be completely side effect free.
At 50+ I just want to be able to do a few press ups and chins.
Will try some along with some rehab exercises. Will look into PCT too.
Thank you.
Hopefully.
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k me, it all adds up.
Well, SARMs are new to me and look to be worth trying, although more research says they may not be completely side effect free.
At 50+ I just want to be able to do a few press ups and chins.
Will try some along with some rehab exercises. Will look into PCT too.
Thank you.
Hopefully.
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k me, it all adds up.Edited by SlimJim16v on Thursday 26th October 01:40
Halb said:
I looked for it. But not very much, it's in the realm of those with the cash at the moment. Bilzerian wanted the anti-aging effects, and he had the cash to go to Cananda, where it can be done. From the sounds of it, it's a bit like sci-fi box that resets you back (depending how much you take) many years.
Sorry i meant the IGF-1 not the Stem Cell stuff though if you hold on long enough, they are doing trials with using stem cells to regenerate discs in the lower back 9apparently lower back pain is the biggest reason why people take pain pills), so i imagine itll come down in price at some pointIve just received some Ostratine and MK-677 (SARMS) from Smiffy, only took them this morning but within an hour i was starving and ate double sized breakfast but have felt full ever since. Ill try and report back on how they help or if i notice the help with my shoulder but at the moment im popping ibuprofen or co-codamol prior to a gym session thats going to use my shoulder more along with alot more forced stretching (both pain meds and forced stretching are recommended by the surgeon/physio).
watwenwong said:
Everybody's read this thread and decided to become a juice head 
It's a slippery slope gents
35 yrs natural and staying that way, sad to see lime light chasers shortening their lives but it is exactly that, their lives. It's a slippery slope gents
Like queen said ‘one year of love is better than a lifetime alone’
I think the population of this world is ever more crazed for attention as it becomes more and more shallow through human contact being driven toward mainly digital images.
I understand the sacrifice of the guys at the top of their sport (all) as their drive to see if they’re better than anyone else in the world is incredible and probably not something they can control tbh but recreational use is just so short sighted it’s difficult not to judge.
I duno, help me understand, the users on this thread seem intelligent and coherent in what they’re doing, can you give some insight into why you do it?
I guess there are some who do it who just have a scientific curiosity of what it will do to their body, is that it? Ie not that bothered about showing off visual results / differences.
Edited by Pvapour on Sunday 29th October 06:44
knk said:
Just to try to heal a chronic injury for me.
May be better going straight to HGH/LGF if it's tendon repair you're after. AFAIK ostarine's HGH release isn't much and the research only shows ostarine's ability to halt muscle wasting (and there's a bit of muscle growth) with ill, older patients.Pvapour said:
35 yrs natural and staying that way, sad to see lime light chasers shortening their lives but it is exactly that, their lives.
Like queen said ‘one year of love is better than a lifetime alone’
I think the population of this world is ever more crazed for attention as it becomes more and more shallow through human contact being driven toward mainly digital images.
I understand the sacrifice of the guys at the top of their sport (all) as their drive to see if they’re better than anyone else in the world is incredible and probably not something they can control tbh but recreational use is just so short sighted it’s difficult not to judge.
I duno, help me understand, the users on this thread seem intelligent and coherent in what they’re doing, can you give some insight into why you do it?
I guess there are some who do it who just have a scientific curiosity of what it will do to their body, is that it? Ie not that bothered about showing off visual results / differences.
It's not lime light chasing, nor is it about attention, for me at least.Like queen said ‘one year of love is better than a lifetime alone’
I think the population of this world is ever more crazed for attention as it becomes more and more shallow through human contact being driven toward mainly digital images.
I understand the sacrifice of the guys at the top of their sport (all) as their drive to see if they’re better than anyone else in the world is incredible and probably not something they can control tbh but recreational use is just so short sighted it’s difficult not to judge.
I duno, help me understand, the users on this thread seem intelligent and coherent in what they’re doing, can you give some insight into why you do it?
I guess there are some who do it who just have a scientific curiosity of what it will do to their body, is that it? Ie not that bothered about showing off visual results / differences.
Edited by Pvapour on Sunday 29th October 06:44
I do it because I want to, I do it because I enjoy seeing what happens as I progress, I also do it because it's a way of making constant progress. To be competitive in certain fields, it's a necessity. I do it for me, to get where I want to go- I don't compare myself to others. It's the process, rather than the outcome I like best, though the outcome is the aim.
I do it in as safe a way as possible- I don't run silly cycles, I don't blast for long periods, I eat healthy and stay fit- and the years that it may take off my life, are not likely to be the ones I'd like to keep anyway- rotting away to senility in a nursing home as I eat through my kids inheritance.
I've done, and do what I do fully aware of the possible consequences. Many of which are not even a certainty, never mind a risk. There are so many infinite ways to die, that I'll take my chances. (I've almost been killed in 3 incidents over the years- none related, in any way at all, to steroids)
You see, you can look at your situation in two ways- 35 years a natural, or 35 years where you could have progressed more. Neither is correct, as it all depends on perspective. You have yours, I have mine- both of which clash.
Like Queen said 'who want's to live forever'
watwenwong said:
Pvapour said:
35 yrs natural and staying that way, sad to see lime light chasers shortening their lives but it is exactly that, their lives.
Like queen said ‘one year of love is better than a lifetime alone’
I think the population of this world is ever more crazed for attention as it becomes more and more shallow through human contact being driven toward mainly digital images.
I understand the sacrifice of the guys at the top of their sport (all) as their drive to see if they’re better than anyone else in the world is incredible and probably not something they can control tbh but recreational use is just so short sighted it’s difficult not to judge.
I duno, help me understand, the users on this thread seem intelligent and coherent in what they’re doing, can you give some insight into why you do it?
I guess there are some who do it who just have a scientific curiosity of what it will do to their body, is that it? Ie not that bothered about showing off visual results / differences.
It's not lime light chasing, nor is it about attention, for me at least.Like queen said ‘one year of love is better than a lifetime alone’
I think the population of this world is ever more crazed for attention as it becomes more and more shallow through human contact being driven toward mainly digital images.
I understand the sacrifice of the guys at the top of their sport (all) as their drive to see if they’re better than anyone else in the world is incredible and probably not something they can control tbh but recreational use is just so short sighted it’s difficult not to judge.
I duno, help me understand, the users on this thread seem intelligent and coherent in what they’re doing, can you give some insight into why you do it?
I guess there are some who do it who just have a scientific curiosity of what it will do to their body, is that it? Ie not that bothered about showing off visual results / differences.
Edited by Pvapour on Sunday 29th October 06:44
I do it because I want to, I do it because I enjoy seeing what happens as I progress, I also do it because it's a way of making constant progress. To be competitive in certain fields, it's a necessity. I do it for me, to get where I want to go- I don't compare myself to others. It's the process, rather than the outcome I like best, though the outcome is the aim.
I do it in as safe a way as possible- I don't run silly cycles, I don't blast for long periods, I eat healthy and stay fit- and the years that it may take off my life, are not likely to be the ones I'd like to keep anyway- rotting away to senility in a nursing home as I eat through my kids inheritance.
I've done, and do what I do fully aware of the possible consequences. Many of which are not even a certainty, never mind a risk. There are so many infinite ways to die, that I'll take my chances. (I've almost been killed in 3 incidents over the years- none related, in any way at all, to steroids)
You see, you can look at your situation in two ways- 35 years a natural, or 35 years where you could have progressed more. Neither is correct, as it all depends on perspective. You have yours, I have mine- both of which clash.
Like Queen said 'who want's to live forever'
Eaxactly that, different perspctives, i dont see the enhanced progress as more as its fake and those latter years are more important to me but also completely understand they may never come.
Do you find your outlook on this stretches to all areas of your life?
For me..
Was never attracted to women who wore make up and my wife never does.
Dont adorne my body with anything; watches, necklaces, rings, tatoos etc absolutely nothing
Pretty much dont like anything that covers or dresses things up that detracts from its original state.
hate branding / labeling things, remove branding or id on cars when possible (doesn't massively bother me but prefer cleaner image of car itself and not their advertising)
I am in the minority i know but would’nt want to be any other way, you sound like you have quite a level headed approach to it and still think of your health, good to hear. But saying you do it for you doesnt really explain your objective / goal, you say you like to see your ‘progress’, what is it you are progressing to? The biggest you can be in the best condition within your perceived safe limits on steroids?
This thread has some interesting views from both sides of the argument. I’m glad it’s being it’s mostly being discussed in a grown up way, which is a sadly lacking in quite a few recent PH threads.
I’ve been weightlifting for around 25 years without steroids. I have friends who have/do use them. They have made some large gains in size and some gained strength though others didn’t.
I’ve seen one with an infection from injecting. I know someone (not a friend) who had a major post steroid problem. He went from 9-14 stone then ended up having most of his bowel removed and had a colostomy bag. He returned to his pre roid weight. Remarkably a year after bowel removal a repair was done removing the need for a colostomy bag. He went straight back on steroids.
I know that if I chose to use I could lift more and weigh more. However I cycle too. More weight on a bike isn’t helpful. I’m happy that I’m strong enough and heavy enough. While I respect the reasons for others use-for those and potential health reasons I’m out.
I’ve been weightlifting for around 25 years without steroids. I have friends who have/do use them. They have made some large gains in size and some gained strength though others didn’t.
I’ve seen one with an infection from injecting. I know someone (not a friend) who had a major post steroid problem. He went from 9-14 stone then ended up having most of his bowel removed and had a colostomy bag. He returned to his pre roid weight. Remarkably a year after bowel removal a repair was done removing the need for a colostomy bag. He went straight back on steroids.
I know that if I chose to use I could lift more and weigh more. However I cycle too. More weight on a bike isn’t helpful. I’m happy that I’m strong enough and heavy enough. While I respect the reasons for others use-for those and potential health reasons I’m out.
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