Discussion
popeyewhite said:
I'd favour Deca above both of those mentioned, not a huge amount of bloat but some nice thick lean mass that stays...Also it's not an oral, though it can still affect the liver.
Almost anything not an oral would be my preference, but I can see why some people prefer orals, easier to get hold off online and easier to administer. popeyewhite said:
watwenwong said:
Low test/High tren is my preference- dry, lean gains, that stay. Low/zero sides for me too
Cycle length?watwenwong said:
Test/Deca was a bit watery, and the results not as good... Like wise with high test only. You also have to run Deca for a fair bit longer, unless you go for NPP instead, but I like to keep jabs to a minimum.
Not come across NPP. Test/Deca 50/50 nice and mild, good base builder.The 10 week point is where it feels sensible to stop, so I do. I dare say I could go a lot longer, but it begins to feel somewhat toxic after 10 weeks.
NPP is just a short ester Nandrolone, never took off like Deca though.
NPP 150mg eod
MENT 25mg eod
Test C 330mg per week ( not needed as ment should replace however tried before and feel better still having some test in there )
Dbol 60mg 1 hour before training
mk677 30mg per day
adex 0.5mg eod
I have done many cycles and competed a few times and the above is the best cycle I have personally done. strength went crazy no sides size coming fast.
MENT 25mg eod
Test C 330mg per week ( not needed as ment should replace however tried before and feel better still having some test in there )
Dbol 60mg 1 hour before training
mk677 30mg per day
adex 0.5mg eod
I have done many cycles and competed a few times and the above is the best cycle I have personally done. strength went crazy no sides size coming fast.
popeyewhite said:
T enanthate? Considered prop on a 10 week cycle? - Will kick in much quicker...downside of course is half-life. Interesting point on cutting back on the T.
Not a prop fan, jabbing every 2-3 days quickly loses its appeal!...... besides, I've got the patience to wait an extra 2-3 weeks and am in no rush. Prop's also dosed lower, so more expensive for longer cycles. I sometimes run a oral kicker, but tend not to nowadays- just try to keep things relatively sensible, and minimise the bad parts.600mg tren makes most things feel somewhat less potent after trying it.
Edited by watwenwong on Wednesday 27th September 12:13
watwenwong said:
popeyewhite said:
T enanthate? Considered prop on a 10 week cycle? - Will kick in much quicker...downside of course is half-life. Interesting point on cutting back on the T.
Not a prop fan, jabbing every 2-3 days quickly loses its appeal!...... besides, I've got the patience to wait an extra 2-3 weeks and am in no rush. Prop's also dosed lower, so more expensive for longer cycles. I sometimes run a oral kicker, but tend not to nowadays- just try to keep things relatively sensible, and minimise the bad parts.600mg tren makes most things feel somewhat less potent after trying it.
Edited by watwenwong on Wednesday 27th September 12:13
Tren is harsh on kidneys and the cough is, well, harsh. Can feel rough on it.
jimPH said:
Prop might be dosed lower but it has a higher yield.
Tren is harsh on kidneys and the cough is, well, harsh. Can feel rough on it.
Yeah, prop is around 80/100mg, and E around 70/100mg- for the money the Tren E I get is dosed at 300mg/ml, works out significantly cheaper than prop. That's one of the reasons I run the Tren E at 600. If it was acetate, id' run it lower. The cough is almost non existent with Tren E- much more of an issue with ace. Only happened twice to me when I nicked a vein on the way out, it's an.... unpleasant experience Tren is harsh on kidneys and the cough is, well, harsh. Can feel rough on it.
I'm lucky that I feel good on tren, many people do not tolerate it well.
popeyewhite said:
Yup. Also frequency may make it easier to maintain consistent levels .
The slight peak/trough from 1 big jab a week seems to have no impact for me- I've split jabs daily/OED/twice a week and once a week and have seen zero difference in sides and results. So I just go with what's easiest now- 4-5ml in 1 single jab. Less hassle, less injection sites/trauma, less actual jabbing. Just long esters, once a week.watwenwong said:
jimPH said:
Prop might be dosed lower but it has a higher yield.
Tren is harsh on kidneys and the cough is, well, harsh. Can feel rough on it.
Yeah, prop is around 80/100mg, and E around 70/100mg- for the money the Tren E I get is dosed at 300mg/ml, works out significantly cheaper than prop. That's one of the reasons I run the Tren E at 600. If it was acetate, id' run it lower. The cough is almost non existent with Tren E- much more of an issue with ace. Only happened twice to me when I nicked a vein on the way out, it's an.... unpleasant experience Tren is harsh on kidneys and the cough is, well, harsh. Can feel rough on it.
I'm lucky that I feel good on tren, many people do not tolerate it well.
king hurts and you get a sterile abscess. You also get severe test flu! So when I hear enanthate at 300mg/ml I get suspicious. Personally I bet if you tested it, it wouldn't be. That will hurt if it's straight test, it's no joke.Edited by jimPH on Wednesday 27th September 17:34
jimPH said:
The problem with high concentrations is that once you pin it, the hormone comes out of suspension at the site and crystallises as the BB will drain off quicker. It fking hurts and you get a sterile abscess. You also get severe test flu! So when I hear enanthate at 300mg/ml I get suspicious. Personally I bet if you tested it, it wouldn't be. That will hurt if it's straight test, it's no joke.
The test E is 250, though I've used T400 before (blend of En, Cyp & Dec)- it's been on the go for a while now. There are quite a few tested Test e300's on the go now, backed up by blood work.king hurts and you get a sterile abscess. You also get severe test flu! So when I hear enanthate at 300mg/ml I get suspicious. Personally I bet if you tested it, it wouldn't be. That will hurt if it's straight test, it's no joke.Edited by jimPH on Wednesday 27th September 17:34
It's the Tren E that's 300mg- it's got a fancy carrier oil, and has very little pip at the time, but can hurt the next day...... I've seen tests from a few places on this particular lab and it consistently comes out 290-300, backed up by blood work also. I've also use the same dose, but at 200mg/ml, and can vouch that this feels every bit as potent. If it didn't, I'd not use it anymore as I've done enough to spot the difference between 400 & 600- it's a pretty noticeable one
watwenwong said:
The slight peak/trough from 1 big jab a week seems to have no impact for me- I've split jabs daily/OED/twice a week and once a week and have seen zero difference in sides and results. So I just go with what's easiest now- 4-5ml in 1 single jab. Less hassle, less injection sites/trauma, less actual jabbing. Just long esters, once a week.
Prop 3/4 rota keeps levels high and is painless, definite dips noticed with E, but each to their own. More jabs but less overall pain with prop IMO. As has just been mentioned - enanthate hurts! popeyewhite said:
Prop 3/4 rota keeps levels high and is painless, definite dips noticed with E, but each to their own. More jabs but less overall pain with prop IMO. As has just been mentioned - enanthate hurts!
I've never had an issue with it- I find prop more painful, and you end up hitting all the injections sites after a while due to frequency.... As I'm putting in 3-5ml at a time, I just a green needle (21gauge) too, rather than the blue 23, and just move from one quad to the other on a weekly basis.
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