What training are you doing/have you done today? (Vol.3)
Discussion
didelydoo said:
Do you really think eating 2500cals, or a little less is going to damage your metabolism? Because it won't - that would take a big drop, for a long time. The human body is a smart piece of equipment, it takes quite a lot to f
k it up!
The issue is you don't want to drop cals because you enjoy your food- I'm afraid it's time to feel like you're dieting now!
Bit of both. k it up!The issue is you don't want to drop cals because you enjoy your food- I'm afraid it's time to feel like you're dieting now!
I'm first to admit I don't know how to diet past the nitty gritty bits, only the easy bit.
The Facebook groups I follow have much smaller guys eating more than me and losing weight (drug free too) which is why I'm concerned and asked here first, wanted to ensure I'm doing it right.
There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of s
te but I don't do diets 
It's more the volume of food, I'm going to have to go more plain which I wanted to avoid given I'm just shifting some fat and not getting stage ready hah.
Getting fat is easy
smiffy180 said:
Bit of both.
I'm first to admit I don't know how to diet past the nitty gritty bits, only the easy bit.
The Facebook groups I follow have much smaller guys eating more than me and losing weight (drug free too) which is why I'm concerned and asked here first, wanted to ensure I'm doing it right.
There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of ste but I don't do diets
It's more the volume of food, I'm going to have to go more plain which I wanted to avoid given I'm just shifting some fat and not getting stage ready hah.
Getting fat is easy
Some guys can eat loads and lose weight, I definitely can't, and TBH, not that many can. The key is to be eating as much as possible and still lose weight- that's why people tend to push calories up high, so when they cut, they don't need to drop them low straight away- if you have a big drop initially, you'll stall faster- smaller drops over time allow you to keep cals higher, and still lose fat. But regardless of starting point, to keep it going, you need to more going out than coming in, by what ever means. I'm first to admit I don't know how to diet past the nitty gritty bits, only the easy bit.
The Facebook groups I follow have much smaller guys eating more than me and losing weight (drug free too) which is why I'm concerned and asked here first, wanted to ensure I'm doing it right.
There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of s
te but I don't do diets It's more the volume of food, I'm going to have to go more plain which I wanted to avoid given I'm just shifting some fat and not getting stage ready hah.
Getting fat is easy
That's why a load of people who look to be eating lots, are also doing lots of cardio/training to compensate. This isn't the most sensible approach IMO- you need to strike a balance between cardio, training and consumption. Eating more, just to have to do more cardio is self defeating.
Dieting, at it's bones, is dead easy. Good, clean calories in, must be less than calories you are burning. You must be in a calorific deficit to continue to lose weight
If you don't take huge cuts in calories, and put large stresses on the body with excess training for prolonged periods- you will not damage your metabolism. As you get smaller, it doesn't slow down, you just need less.
didelydoo said:
Some guys can eat loads and lose weight, I definitely can't, and TBH, not that many can. The key is to be eating as much as possible and still lose weight- that's why people tend to push calories up high, so when they cut, they don't need to drop them low straight away- if you have a big drop initially, you'll stall faster- smaller drops over time allow you to keep cals higher, and still lose fat. But regardless of starting point, to keep it going, you need to more going out than coming in, by what ever means.
That's why a load of people who look to be eating lots, are also doing lots of cardio/training to compensate. This isn't the most sensible approach IMO- you need to strike a balance between cardio, training and consumption. Eating more, just to have to do more cardio is self defeating.
Dieting, at it's bones, is dead easy. Good, clean calories in, must be less than calories you are burning. You must be in a calorific deficit to continue to lose weight
If you don't take huge cuts in calories, and put large stresses on the body with excess training for prolonged periods- you will not damage your metabolism. As you get smaller, it doesn't slow down, you just need less.
That might be it then, I started quite large knowing I could afford the weight loss with minimal muscle loss.That's why a load of people who look to be eating lots, are also doing lots of cardio/training to compensate. This isn't the most sensible approach IMO- you need to strike a balance between cardio, training and consumption. Eating more, just to have to do more cardio is self defeating.
Dieting, at it's bones, is dead easy. Good, clean calories in, must be less than calories you are burning. You must be in a calorific deficit to continue to lose weight
If you don't take huge cuts in calories, and put large stresses on the body with excess training for prolonged periods- you will not damage your metabolism. As you get smaller, it doesn't slow down, you just need less.
Think I started off at 3500 initially.
I'll just keep at it and try find cleaner but enjoyable sources.
Doesn't help that I can't have most cheese, milk wheat/gluten and beef.
Only highish calorie food I have currently is gluten free sausage sandwich which is 893 cals for breakfast.
smiffy180 said:
That might be it then, I started quite large knowing I could afford the weight loss with minimal muscle loss.
Think I started off at 3500 initially.
I'll just keep at it and try find cleaner but enjoyable sources.
Doesn't help that I can't have most cheese, milk wheat/gluten and beef.
Only highish calorie food I have currently is gluten free sausage sandwich which is 893 cals for breakfast.
Avoid sugar/high GI stuff accept around training times. Think I started off at 3500 initially.
I'll just keep at it and try find cleaner but enjoyable sources.
Doesn't help that I can't have most cheese, milk wheat/gluten and beef.
Only highish calorie food I have currently is gluten free sausage sandwich which is 893 cals for breakfast.
Keep training heavy- IMO don't do lighter reppy stuff- it's heavy stuff that retains muscle best- you do that to get bigger and stronger, so don't stop.
Keep cal drops minimal- just enough that you get the results (maybe 200 at a time?)
Keep active- walk, move, train, cardio- you'd be amazed how much more you burn just be moving more through out the day.
Do not stress about metabolic damage- ain't gonna happen.
Don't stress about muscle loss, it's not going to happen to any great degree- just keep an eye on strength, and don't be surprised it drops off a little, it happens.
Keep protein high.
That ought to do it.
smiffy180 said:
The Facebook groups I follow have much smaller guys eating more than me and losing weight (drug free too) which is why I'm concerned and asked here first, wanted to ensure I'm doing it right.
There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of ste but I don't do diets
how do you know, got them om choron/mfp? THey must be doing a lot of moving.There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of s
te but I don't do diets also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
Halb said:
how do you know, got them om choron/mfp? THey must be doing a lot of moving.
also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
powder for the win. Powdered oats, dextrose, whey- that's probably 75% of my diet right there I tried powdered water, but it didn't mix well......
Halb said:
smiffy180 said:
The Facebook groups I follow have much smaller guys eating more than me and losing weight (drug free too) which is why I'm concerned and asked here first, wanted to ensure I'm doing it right.
There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of ste but I don't do diets
how do you know, got them om choron/mfp? THey must be doing a lot of moving.There seems to be a lot of talk of metabolic damage on them too, and also a load of s
te but I don't do diets also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
Halb said:
how do you know, got them om choron/mfp? THey must be doing a lot of moving.
also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
Their coaches post up their calories every now and again to advertise with progress pics etc. also, do not forget when talking to DD, you're talking to a man who eats glucose power....GLUCOSE POWDER!!!!
I also have friends on gear eating 4000+ at sub 90kg, it's crazy
smiffy180 said:
Their coaches post up their calories every now and again to advertise with progress pics etc.
I also have friends on gear eating 4000+ at sub 90kg, it's crazy
Just imagine what these people have to eat when they want to grow- needing lower calories to grow and to cut is a blessing IMO. They're probably training loads, daily cardio etc etc which necessitates more food.I also have friends on gear eating 4000+ at sub 90kg, it's crazy
For perspective- Dorian yates went from ~6000cals off season, to ~ 3500 at lowest in comp prep. His lean body mass was huge, and he was massively assisted.
If you started at 3500, you should be able to drop to close to 2000 no problem. I doubt you'll need to though unless you want to get ripped up.
2,000 calories is hardly starvation rations, even for a big lad.
On dieting more generally, I’ve no real idea how much I eat in general. All I do is increase a bit when I want to gain weight and reduce a bit when I want to lose fat. I think that works for most people as long as they are well nourished and generally healthy (decent insulin sensitivity, good gut health, etc). I would guess that I never drop below about 2,500 calories or go much over 3,000, so it’s small changes.
On dieting more generally, I’ve no real idea how much I eat in general. All I do is increase a bit when I want to gain weight and reduce a bit when I want to lose fat. I think that works for most people as long as they are well nourished and generally healthy (decent insulin sensitivity, good gut health, etc). I would guess that I never drop below about 2,500 calories or go much over 3,000, so it’s small changes.
ORD said:
2,000 calories is hardly starvation rations, even for a big lad.
On dieting more generally, I’ve no real idea how much I eat in general. All I do is increase a bit when I want to gain weight and reduce a bit when I want to lose fat. I think that works for most people as long as they are well nourished and generally healthy (decent insulin sensitivity, good gut health, etc). I would guess that I never drop below about 2,500 calories or go much over 3,000, so it’s small changes.
Have you seen how much I can eat On dieting more generally, I’ve no real idea how much I eat in general. All I do is increase a bit when I want to gain weight and reduce a bit when I want to lose fat. I think that works for most people as long as they are well nourished and generally healthy (decent insulin sensitivity, good gut health, etc). I would guess that I never drop below about 2,500 calories or go much over 3,000, so it’s small changes.
2000 cals chicken & rice will be enough though, but I don't plan to go that low!
didelydoo said:
Just imagine what these people have to eat when they want to grow- needing lower calories to grow and to cut is a blessing IMO. They're probably training loads, daily cardio etc etc which necessitates more food.
For perspective- Dorian yates went from ~6000cals off season, to ~ 3500 at lowest in comp prep. His lean body mass was huge, and he was massively assisted.
If you started at 3500, you should be able to drop to close to 2000 no problem. I doubt you'll need to though unless you want to get ripped up.
I do agree with that to be fair, it's saved me a lot of money. For perspective- Dorian yates went from ~6000cals off season, to ~ 3500 at lowest in comp prep. His lean body mass was huge, and he was massively assisted.
If you started at 3500, you should be able to drop to close to 2000 no problem. I doubt you'll need to though unless you want to get ripped up.
It's also annoying though when you're offered vast amounts of food and have to control yourself
smiffy180 said:
didelydoo said:
Some guys can eat loads and lose weight, I definitely can't, and TBH, not that many can. The key is to be eating as much as possible and still lose weight- that's why people tend to push calories up high, so when they cut, they don't need to drop them low straight away- if you have a big drop initially, you'll stall faster- smaller drops over time allow you to keep cals higher, and still lose fat. But regardless of starting point, to keep it going, you need to more going out than coming in, by what ever means.
That's why a load of people who look to be eating lots, are also doing lots of cardio/training to compensate. This isn't the most sensible approach IMO- you need to strike a balance between cardio, training and consumption. Eating more, just to have to do more cardio is self defeating.
Dieting, at it's bones, is dead easy. Good, clean calories in, must be less than calories you are burning. You must be in a calorific deficit to continue to lose weight
If you don't take huge cuts in calories, and put large stresses on the body with excess training for prolonged periods- you will not damage your metabolism. As you get smaller, it doesn't slow down, you just need less.
That might be it then, I started quite large knowing I could afford the weight loss with minimal muscle loss.That's why a load of people who look to be eating lots, are also doing lots of cardio/training to compensate. This isn't the most sensible approach IMO- you need to strike a balance between cardio, training and consumption. Eating more, just to have to do more cardio is self defeating.
Dieting, at it's bones, is dead easy. Good, clean calories in, must be less than calories you are burning. You must be in a calorific deficit to continue to lose weight
If you don't take huge cuts in calories, and put large stresses on the body with excess training for prolonged periods- you will not damage your metabolism. As you get smaller, it doesn't slow down, you just need less.
Think I started off at 3500 initially.
I'll just keep at it and try find cleaner but enjoyable sources.
Doesn't help that I can't have most cheese, milk wheat/gluten and beef.
Only highish calorie food I have currently is gluten free sausage sandwich which is 893 cals for breakfast.
Legs>
Pause Squat: up to 220kg, sore hip, stopped before I made it worse.
Lever squat: 5 plates a side RPF (12 +3 +2)
GHR: 4 sets F
Leg ext: 4 sets F
Leg curl: 1 RPF
The rest pause set on the lever squat completely fked me- just totally drained, blurred vision and just wanted to go to sleep! When I got back from the gym I did fall asleep for 20 mins too!
Pause Squat: up to 220kg, sore hip, stopped before I made it worse.
Lever squat: 5 plates a side RPF (12 +3 +2)
GHR: 4 sets F
Leg ext: 4 sets F
Leg curl: 1 RPF
The rest pause set on the lever squat completely f
ked me- just totally drained, blurred vision and just wanted to go to sleep! When I got back from the gym I did fall asleep for 20 mins too! Cracking work, DD!
Squat today:
Squats: 4 x 132.5kg (failed on 5th rep); 8 x 102.5kg; 12 x 92.5kg
Gutted that I failed at 132.5 given that I’ve done 142.5 x 5 in the recent past. This very gentle diet seems to be hitting my strength.
Bench: 3 x 107.5kg; 5 x 102.5kg; 8 x 92.5kg
DB rows: 14 x 40kg
RDL: 3 x 10 @ 80kg
Press ups: 18 x 25kg
I’ll start eating more again in a week or so once I am down to about 12% bf. I feel so much stronger when on a gentle bulk.
Squat today:
Squats: 4 x 132.5kg (failed on 5th rep); 8 x 102.5kg; 12 x 92.5kg
Gutted that I failed at 132.5 given that I’ve done 142.5 x 5 in the recent past. This very gentle diet seems to be hitting my strength.
Bench: 3 x 107.5kg; 5 x 102.5kg; 8 x 92.5kg
DB rows: 14 x 40kg
RDL: 3 x 10 @ 80kg
Press ups: 18 x 25kg
I’ll start eating more again in a week or so once I am down to about 12% bf. I feel so much stronger when on a gentle bulk.
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