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Im not saying this works but I take Vitamin D daily which stops aura migraines in me.
Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
dhutch said:
Like I have amazing ability to really deeply understand something, root cause analysis, problem solving, solutions generation, whatever. If its something that interests me or I've become motivated to work on
But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
I am still surprised by some people's capacity for grinding away at really boring stuff and finishing off the paperwork, even for work that is known to be abortive. But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
I have forced myself to go to bed (almost) early enough, rather than doing other things, as I need to get up very early.
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Im not saying this works but I take Vitamin D daily which stops aura migraines in me.
Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
Fair enough. I typically do take vitamin d over winter, and and sporadically take a multi vitamin with some vit d in too. Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
Im on Methylphenidate, week four, current dose 3x18mg.
Woodrow Wilson said:
I am still surprised by some people's capacity for grinding away at really boring stuff and finishing off the paperwork, even for work that is known to be abortive.
I have forced myself to go to bed (almost) early enough, rather than doing other things, as I need to get up very early.
I basically cant grind away at boring things, even if they lead to something desirable for me, considering stuff like renovating sections of house complete at 80% finished, and really can't understand why people would even want to do things at work they know won't work out. I have forced myself to go to bed (almost) early enough, rather than doing other things, as I need to get up very early.
I can however get behind quick and efficiently effective documenting of things, its not fun at the time, but being able to remind yourself of what you did a year ago is fun and not knowing whst the person before you did because they did write it down is absolutely infuriating.
dhutch said:
Like I have amazing ability to really deeply understand something, root cause analysis, problem solving, solutions generation, whatever. If its something that interests me or I've become motivated to work on
But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
This is largely me too. I am ADHD and also what used to be called Aspergers. But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
If I am properly and fully motivated I'll be fantastic.
If anyone's followed my recent "Absolute Beginners Car Maintenance" thread and look at the progress I've made from literally zero, that's me when I really, really REALLY want to learn something. And that'll last a long time, probably a lifetime.
But if I'm not motivated and don't get inspired then it's an absolute chore and I'll either fail or only just get by, which is horrible. Some things at work are like this.
Scott
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Im not saying this works but I take Vitamin D daily which stops aura migraines in me.
Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
the last few times i've had my blood pressure taken it has been high. previously [since ever] it has never been anything other than normal. Im looking to increase the daily dose over winter and I came across a beneficial link with ADHD/Vitamin D levels.
On Elvanse - really watch your blood pressure levels. Mine suddenly spiked so I had to stop the meds.
i also have an adrenal gland issue that gets monitored and my last test results has very high cortisol. my endo said in our last meeting that every time she meets me i seem really stressed. both her and my shrink say the elvanse shouldn't impact it.
zarjaz1991 said:
dhutch said:
Like I have amazing ability to really deeply understand something, root cause analysis, problem solving, solutions generation, whatever. If its something that interests me or I've become motivated to work on
But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
This is largely me too. I am ADHD and also what used to be called Aspergers. But I have used that positively in jobs, currently im getting invested for too much personal Internet usage instead, which is then hugely triggering of rejection sensitivity.
And im crap at going to bed at a sensible time.
If I am properly and fully motivated I'll be fantastic.
If anyone's followed my recent "Absolute Beginners Car Maintenance" thread and look at the progress I've made from literally zero, that's me when I really, really REALLY want to learn something. And that'll last a long time, probably a lifetime.
But if I'm not motivated and don't get inspired then it's an absolute chore and I'll either fail or only just get by, which is horrible. Some things at work are like this.
Scott
I've only recently become aware of the fact I have ADHD and how much more that appears to affect me day to day than being autisic.
ADHD; dislikes structure, yet needs structure. Cant focus but can hyper focus. Procrastinates like hell, but calm in a crisis. Impulsivity and risk taking. Fidgeting and restlessness. Struggling to follow instructions.
Autism; see things as very black and white, right or wrong. Poor with social cues, and empathy, misa understand whats being asked of you, appearing disinterested others. Niche special interest focus.
dhutch said:
Yeah at three years older than yourself im also of the age that Aspergers was a widely used term, although my own formal diagnosis was during 6th form for PDD-NOS.
I've only recently become aware of the fact I have ADHD and how much more that appears to affect me day to day than being autisic.
ADHD; dislikes structure, yet needs structure. Cant focus but can hyper focus. Procrastinates like hell, but calm in a crisis. Impulsivity and risk taking. Fidgeting and restlessness. Struggling to follow instructions.
Autism; see things as very black and white, right or wrong. Poor with social cues, and empathy, misa understand whats being asked of you, appearing disinterested others. Niche special interest focus.
Yep this is also me to a tee. Throw a little bit of OCD in there (nothing life affecting though) and you've got it.I've only recently become aware of the fact I have ADHD and how much more that appears to affect me day to day than being autisic.
ADHD; dislikes structure, yet needs structure. Cant focus but can hyper focus. Procrastinates like hell, but calm in a crisis. Impulsivity and risk taking. Fidgeting and restlessness. Struggling to follow instructions.
Autism; see things as very black and white, right or wrong. Poor with social cues, and empathy, misa understand whats being asked of you, appearing disinterested others. Niche special interest focus.
The only thing is (as with my current "learning car maintenance" stuff, when I am properly into something and really keen, I am hyper-attentive and massively interested and invested. To the point where I can bore others talking about it (as I'm probably doing in this thread but at least people aren't forced to read a forum post!). This can happen with any subject I am into but with the car maintenance it's grabbed me like nothing else ever has in my life, and whilst I see that as a positive, I'm aware that to some people it will come across as an obsession.
I used to get in trouble at school all the time because I couldn't just sit still and focus on lessons I wasn't interested in. I couldn't wait to get out for lunch or break and just walk round the grounds and get some movement and fresh air. Of course, the school's reaction to this was to punish me by for not being able to sit still and focus, by depriving me of those breaks and making me...sit still and focus. I just never got anywhere in formal education really. I can't do it unless it's something I'm really interested in.
I hear you on the work stuff. I think they're being harsh and I hope it comes to nothing. I'm lucky in that regard, got an IT job straight after school (family connections helped a bit here) and they trained me, understand me and even cater to my foibles at times (for instance they know I've always loved driving so straight off the bat they used to give me lots of pool cars to drive to sites, in fact this still happens). I know I've been lucky. I couldn't survive in some of the harsher modern work[places, just as I struggled to survive in school.
People talk of superpowers. There are definitely positives once you realise and understand (I was 20 before I did!) but I still think overall in modern life it can be an encumbrance and I have times when I wish I was "normal" (I know we shouldn't use that word!).
Scott
shirt said:
TheHeadhunter said:
Bit of a thread drift, my daughter was diagnosed with ADHD 6 months ago, after a 6 month diagnosis process, culminating in a Qb test.
Her consultant started by saying the same thing.....it is wrongly automatically called a 'disorder'. He said it can be just your make-up, your personality flavour, or your super power.
He also laboured the point that there are three very different strains of ADHD; Hyperactive, impulsive and inattentive, and that he really didn't like it all being under one umbrella as it caused greater mis-understanding, and if were up to him, he'd change the name.
We had to start by learning a hell of a lot about ADHD.
My daughter is lucky, her ADHD is just 'inattentive', not hyperactive or impulsive. She was diagnosed before siting her GCSEs, but due to the proximity, we didn't start any treatment until after. She still got eight grade 9s and 2 grade 7s.
The consultant when discussing medication was the first to ask her....."does getting 8 '9s' sound like you have a disorder?" He said it had perhaps helped her. She spent 4 weeks getting her medication titrated, and is now on a really even keel, settled and it's all working great for her.
What we have realised is that her treatment is fairly unique. So many get inaccurately diagnosed, and then get either no support or the wrong support.
Schools don't help, and society can make matters even worse. Both being triggered by ignorance or a hidden agenda. My daughter is classed as SEN. Special Educational Needs. Yet she sits in the top 1% or her year, based on her GCSE results.
So, to anyone child or adult with ADHD, it isn't a disorder. It's an untapped superpower.
pro tip - all ADHDers absolutely love being told what they already know Her consultant started by saying the same thing.....it is wrongly automatically called a 'disorder'. He said it can be just your make-up, your personality flavour, or your super power.
He also laboured the point that there are three very different strains of ADHD; Hyperactive, impulsive and inattentive, and that he really didn't like it all being under one umbrella as it caused greater mis-understanding, and if were up to him, he'd change the name.
We had to start by learning a hell of a lot about ADHD.
My daughter is lucky, her ADHD is just 'inattentive', not hyperactive or impulsive. She was diagnosed before siting her GCSEs, but due to the proximity, we didn't start any treatment until after. She still got eight grade 9s and 2 grade 7s.
The consultant when discussing medication was the first to ask her....."does getting 8 '9s' sound like you have a disorder?" He said it had perhaps helped her. She spent 4 weeks getting her medication titrated, and is now on a really even keel, settled and it's all working great for her.
What we have realised is that her treatment is fairly unique. So many get inaccurately diagnosed, and then get either no support or the wrong support.
Schools don't help, and society can make matters even worse. Both being triggered by ignorance or a hidden agenda. My daughter is classed as SEN. Special Educational Needs. Yet she sits in the top 1% or her year, based on her GCSE results.
So, to anyone child or adult with ADHD, it isn't a disorder. It's an untapped superpower.
Edited by shirt on Saturday 15th November 11:04
Woodrow Wilson said:
ADHD is so common that I would suggest that it not really a "disorder". It is just the way that many people are.
dhutch said:
Woodrow Wilson said:
I am still surprised by some people's capacity for grinding away at really boring stuff and finishing off the paperwork, even for work that is known to be abortive.
I have forced myself to go to bed (almost) early enough, rather than doing other things, as I need to get up very early.
I basically cant grind away at boring things, even if they lead to something desirable for me, considering stuff like renovating sections of house complete at 80% finished, and really can't understand why people would even want to do things at work they know won't work out. I have forced myself to go to bed (almost) early enough, rather than doing other things, as I need to get up very early.
I can however get behind quick and efficiently effective documenting of things, its not fun at the time, but being able to remind yourself of what you did a year ago is fun and not knowing whst the person before you did because they did write it down is absolutely infuriating.
I am very inquisitive and interested in many things, with a bias towards the physical & practical, but pretty much anything really, from science to history and politics.
Somebody else has mentioned struggling with following a structure, but needing a structure. I agree with that.
Estimating time to completion, and prioritising, are difficult for me.
I have started back on a lower dose of medication this week. I will go back up to 72mg of Concerta XL. I was not convinced that it helped me previously, but I felt that it was worth trying again as I am now back doing an almost entirely desk-based role, with less interaction with others.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Tuesday 18th November 19:53
dhutch said:
ADHD; dislikes structure, yet needs structure. Cant focus but can hyper focus. Procrastinates like hell, but calm in a crisis. Impulsivity and risk taking. Fidgeting and restlessness. Struggling to follow instructions.
I can relate to most of the above, and I appear to have less fear of things/the unknown than many. I'm not really impulsive, though and I dont fidget, but in my own time I enjoy being active and don't watch much TV (On the other hand, I do enjoy reading and read a lot of books about a wide range of subjects). I am chatty.
At first meeting, I appear quite sensible and professional. When people get to know me and discover what I am actually like, I confuse them a bit.
dhutch said:
Autism; see things as very black and white, right or wrong. Poor with social cues, and empathy, misa understand whats being asked of you, appearing disinterested others. Niche special interest focus.
I'm quite observant of other people's behaviour, empathetic, although I find overly-emotional responses and waffly/non-productive talk/behaviour annoying. I am interested in other people. I enjoy chatting, mostly with *interesting* people...and not about football/soaps/celebrities. zarjaz1991 said:
Yep this is also me to a tee. Throw a little bit of OCD in there (nothing life affecting though) and you've got it.
The only thing is (as with my current "learning car maintenance" stuff, when I am properly into something and really keen, I am hyper-attentive and massively interested and invested. To the point where I can bore others talking about it (as I'm probably doing in this thread but at least people aren't forced to read a forum post!). This can happen with any subject I am into but with the car maintenance it's grabbed me like nothing else ever has in my life, and whilst I see that as a positive, I'm aware that to some people it will come across as an obsession.
I used to get in trouble at school all the time because I couldn't just sit still and focus on lessons I wasn't interested in. I couldn't wait to get out for lunch or break and just walk round the grounds and get some movement and fresh air. Of course, the school's reaction to this was to punish me by for not being able to sit still and focus, by depriving me of those breaks and making me...sit still and focus. I just never got anywhere in formal education really. I can't do it unless it's something I'm really interested in.
I hear you on the work stuff. I think they're being harsh and I hope it comes to nothing. I'm lucky in that regard, got an IT job straight after school (family connections helped a bit here) and they trained me, understand me and even cater to my foibles at times (for instance they know I've always loved driving so straight off the bat they used to give me lots of pool cars to drive to sites, in fact this still happens). I know I've been lucky. I couldn't survive in some of the harsher modern work[places, just as I struggled to survive in school.
People talk of superpowers. There are definitely positives once you realise and understand (I was 20 before I did!) but I still think overall in modern life it can be an encumbrance and I have times when I wish I was "normal" (I know we shouldn't use that word!).
Scott
Yeah. Basically all of that. The only thing is (as with my current "learning car maintenance" stuff, when I am properly into something and really keen, I am hyper-attentive and massively interested and invested. To the point where I can bore others talking about it (as I'm probably doing in this thread but at least people aren't forced to read a forum post!). This can happen with any subject I am into but with the car maintenance it's grabbed me like nothing else ever has in my life, and whilst I see that as a positive, I'm aware that to some people it will come across as an obsession.
I used to get in trouble at school all the time because I couldn't just sit still and focus on lessons I wasn't interested in. I couldn't wait to get out for lunch or break and just walk round the grounds and get some movement and fresh air. Of course, the school's reaction to this was to punish me by for not being able to sit still and focus, by depriving me of those breaks and making me...sit still and focus. I just never got anywhere in formal education really. I can't do it unless it's something I'm really interested in.
I hear you on the work stuff. I think they're being harsh and I hope it comes to nothing. I'm lucky in that regard, got an IT job straight after school (family connections helped a bit here) and they trained me, understand me and even cater to my foibles at times (for instance they know I've always loved driving so straight off the bat they used to give me lots of pool cars to drive to sites, in fact this still happens). I know I've been lucky. I couldn't survive in some of the harsher modern work[places, just as I struggled to survive in school.
People talk of superpowers. There are definitely positives once you realise and understand (I was 20 before I did!) but I still think overall in modern life it can be an encumbrance and I have times when I wish I was "normal" (I know we shouldn't use that word!).
Scott
Very good at fast paced problem solving, calm in a crisis, over the phone diagnostics.
Was disruptive enough in school I ended up a local SEN boarding school. Running over the table tops, hiding with the chair store, but also friends with all my peers and the dinner ladies and caretaker.
The excessive internet use thing is crap, the whole department is badly run by poor management, low productivity and moral is rife, requests are ignored or fought, concerns are swept aside, but instead of working to improve the situation they opt to penalise individuals for their personality traits.
With the right conditions I can and have consistently outperformed others, but broadly speaking the lack or understanding or flexibility in a lot of day to day life and employment makes it challenging to exist well.
Got my diagnosis two weeks ago. Just about to move up to the next dosage in my titration. I'm currently on Concerta/Methylphenidate. So far it's been fine other than feeling a bit weird when I'm tired but still alert. And not being able to drink proper coffee during the day sucks!
Don't have a review until 1st December so I have a few questions regarding having a beer on these meds if anyone knows? They say not to drink but I'd like to know if I do intend to drink should I miss a dose or is it OK to have say 3 or 4 pints over the course of a few hours?
I'm going to football Sunday so would be good to get some info ahead of that. If I have to just not drink then that's what I'll do, obviously. As a Leeds fan, it may be a long day if I can't
Don't have a review until 1st December so I have a few questions regarding having a beer on these meds if anyone knows? They say not to drink but I'd like to know if I do intend to drink should I miss a dose or is it OK to have say 3 or 4 pints over the course of a few hours?
I'm going to football Sunday so would be good to get some info ahead of that. If I have to just not drink then that's what I'll do, obviously. As a Leeds fan, it may be a long day if I can't
It is pretty much de rigueur to put alcohol restrictions on medications these days. "No safe level of alcohol" is the mantra that pretty much every pharmaceutical company pushes out.
If you know you can handle a few pints then these tablets will not impact much if at all. If you are someone that starts doing moonies out of the coach rear window after two pints then I would maybe cut back a bit.
If you know you can handle a few pints then these tablets will not impact much if at all. If you are someone that starts doing moonies out of the coach rear window after two pints then I would maybe cut back a bit.
TroubledSoul said:
Got my diagnosis two weeks ago. Just about to move up to the next dosage in my titration. I'm currently on Concerta/Methylphenidate. So far it's been fine other than feeling a bit weird when I'm tired but still alert. And not being able to drink proper coffee during the day sucks!
Don't have a review until 1st December so I have a few questions regarding having a beer on these meds if anyone knows? They say not to drink but I'd like to know if I do intend to drink should I miss a dose or is it OK to have say 3 or 4 pints over the course of a few hours
I initially went on to caffeine-free coffee with my breakfast, as advised. Don't have a review until 1st December so I have a few questions regarding having a beer on these meds if anyone knows? They say not to drink but I'd like to know if I do intend to drink should I miss a dose or is it OK to have say 3 or 4 pints over the course of a few hours
When I did go back to having a caffeinated coffee at lunchtime, about 6 months later, I didn't notice any issues.
I eventually returned to having proper coffee at breakfast time with no obvious difference.
I'm not a big drinker, but I didn't change my drinking habits and didn't notice any problems.
Depsite being quite lean anyway, I initially lost some weight (2-3Kg), but hadn't noticed a change in appetite. It did creep back up, but remained a little lower than it had been.
I didn't have any issues with sleep.
I eventually stopped the 72mg of Concerta XL as, at the time, I didn't notice any difference between taking it and not taking it.
This does would apparently be quite a high dose for many people.
I (and relatives on one side of my family) do appear to be generally resistant/tolerant to stimulants. Not very tolerant of alcohol, though.
I have resumed taking it this week to see if it helps me.
Edited by Woodrow Wilson on Wednesday 19th November 07:35
Update on my first 6 months on Elvanse
It's been transformative so far, beyond improvements around my career and work life, I have also been able to understand difficulties I had with my old way of "thinking" pre-medication much better. I'm less emotional and sensitive to rejection or criticism. I'm able to context switch more easily, which has enabled me to work and think on multiple things. I'm also far more regulated, small things don't piss me off, and I see the bigger picture rather than being reactive. It's also helped me be less chaotic - there's a caveat with that because I'm not going to lie, I met some incredible people and partners by being the chaotic fun guy, but there's this grieving that's come with shedding my old skin and now trying to focus on more healthy dynamics. I've gone from missing a lot of my ex's - something I always struggled with, especially with rumination and limercence that comes with ADHD, to starting to forget them.
Some stuff I don't enjoy being on the meds
- I can push my mind and body beyond what normal humans should be capable of on the meds, so I've gone from one extreme to another. I can work efficiently on 4 hours of sleep, and I can work on multiple projects. I'm not a fan of this because it happens subconsciously, sets a bad precedent and has led to burnouts. I also end up crashing and passing out after a long workday. I need to be more conscious of this but you can end up hyperfocusing on work and pushing yourself to extremes, especially if you've struggled in the past.
- I've become less social at work, due to the hyperfocus, not a fan of this as well.
- Hair shedding - I'm getting this investigated by my GP, could it be due to stress and burnout from pushing myself or down to the meds. If it's down to the meds I would want to try a non-stimulant and see how that works.
It's been transformative so far, beyond improvements around my career and work life, I have also been able to understand difficulties I had with my old way of "thinking" pre-medication much better. I'm less emotional and sensitive to rejection or criticism. I'm able to context switch more easily, which has enabled me to work and think on multiple things. I'm also far more regulated, small things don't piss me off, and I see the bigger picture rather than being reactive. It's also helped me be less chaotic - there's a caveat with that because I'm not going to lie, I met some incredible people and partners by being the chaotic fun guy, but there's this grieving that's come with shedding my old skin and now trying to focus on more healthy dynamics. I've gone from missing a lot of my ex's - something I always struggled with, especially with rumination and limercence that comes with ADHD, to starting to forget them.
Some stuff I don't enjoy being on the meds
- I can push my mind and body beyond what normal humans should be capable of on the meds, so I've gone from one extreme to another. I can work efficiently on 4 hours of sleep, and I can work on multiple projects. I'm not a fan of this because it happens subconsciously, sets a bad precedent and has led to burnouts. I also end up crashing and passing out after a long workday. I need to be more conscious of this but you can end up hyperfocusing on work and pushing yourself to extremes, especially if you've struggled in the past.
- I've become less social at work, due to the hyperfocus, not a fan of this as well.
- Hair shedding - I'm getting this investigated by my GP, could it be due to stress and burnout from pushing myself or down to the meds. If it's down to the meds I would want to try a non-stimulant and see how that works.
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