Hand Santisers upon shop entry - flawed?
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It is just me, or does anyone else think there is something fundamentally wrong with being asked to use a hand pumped sanitiser upon entry to a store?
Scenario 1 - Hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store and is asked to use the hand sanister upon entry, thus contaminating the hand pump. I proceed to enter the store shortly after and I am asked to touch the same contaminated surface. There is plenty of evidence available to show that a drop of hand sanitiser does not sufficiently cover all of the hands.
Scenario 2 - No hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store as normal to browse items. The store maybe has 10,000 items and they touch 5 of those. Chances are, I am very unlikely to also touch these 5 items and thus not risking contacting a caontaminated surface?
Places with a foot operated pump are fine, but are hand operated pumps not just increasing the risk massivley by having a single surface that everyone has touched?
Scenario 1 - Hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store and is asked to use the hand sanister upon entry, thus contaminating the hand pump. I proceed to enter the store shortly after and I am asked to touch the same contaminated surface. There is plenty of evidence available to show that a drop of hand sanitiser does not sufficiently cover all of the hands.
Scenario 2 - No hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store as normal to browse items. The store maybe has 10,000 items and they touch 5 of those. Chances are, I am very unlikely to also touch these 5 items and thus not risking contacting a caontaminated surface?
Places with a foot operated pump are fine, but are hand operated pumps not just increasing the risk massivley by having a single surface that everyone has touched?
georgefreeman918 said:
It is just me, or does anyone else think there is something fundamentally wrong with being asked to use a hand pumped sanitiser upon entry to a store?
Scenario 1 - Hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store and is asked to use the hand sanister upon entry, thus contaminating the hand pump. I proceed to enter the store shortly after and I am asked to touch the same contaminated surface. There is plenty of evidence available to show that a drop of hand sanitiser does not sufficiently cover all of the hands.
Scenario 2 - No hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store as normal to browse items. The store maybe has 10,000 items and they touch 5 of those. Chances are, I am very unlikely to also touch these 5 items and thus not risking contacting a caontaminated surface?
Places with a foot operated pump are fine, but are hand operated pumps not just increasing the risk massivley by having a single surface that everyone has touched?
Well use more then...Scenario 1 - Hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store and is asked to use the hand sanister upon entry, thus contaminating the hand pump. I proceed to enter the store shortly after and I am asked to touch the same contaminated surface. There is plenty of evidence available to show that a drop of hand sanitiser does not sufficiently cover all of the hands.
Scenario 2 - No hand pumped sanitiser
Someone with Coronavirus (perhaps unbeknown to them) enters the store as normal to browse items. The store maybe has 10,000 items and they touch 5 of those. Chances are, I am very unlikely to also touch these 5 items and thus not risking contacting a caontaminated surface?
Places with a foot operated pump are fine, but are hand operated pumps not just increasing the risk massivley by having a single surface that everyone has touched?
Or use a tissue to pump your sanitiser...
It really is not difficult
I think you should retreat back behind the sofa. Clearly not safe for you to venture out yet.
All through this there have been door handles, petrol pumps, card machines, trolleys, buses, trains, handrails, etc all of which haven't been regularly sanitised. Yet the infection rates are falling.
You need a thicker tinfoil hat.
All through this there have been door handles, petrol pumps, card machines, trolleys, buses, trains, handrails, etc all of which haven't been regularly sanitised. Yet the infection rates are falling.
You need a thicker tinfoil hat.
Tyre Smoke said:
I think you should retreat back behind the sofa. Clearly not safe for you to venture out yet.
All through this there have been door handles, petrol pumps, card machines, trolleys, buses, trains, handrails, etc all of which haven't been regularly sanitised. Yet the infection rates are falling.
You need a thicker tinfoil hat.
^^^All through this there have been door handles, petrol pumps, card machines, trolleys, buses, trains, handrails, etc all of which haven't been regularly sanitised. Yet the infection rates are falling.
You need a thicker tinfoil hat.
Definitely this!!
Loving the way this thread is already going 
Honestly it seems a fair question to ask and I've thought it myself sometimes when I've walked into a supermarket having literally washed my hands before leaving home to go there.
I'd assume that the evidence shows that whilst it could happen overall it's better to run that tiny risk that to not have such a system in place.
I'm more interested in whether doctors seen upturn in skin related complaints in a few months time once everyone has sanitised their hands 15 times per trip into town
Honestly it seems a fair question to ask and I've thought it myself sometimes when I've walked into a supermarket having literally washed my hands before leaving home to go there.
I'd assume that the evidence shows that whilst it could happen overall it's better to run that tiny risk that to not have such a system in place.
I'm more interested in whether doctors seen upturn in skin related complaints in a few months time once everyone has sanitised their hands 15 times per trip into town
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Loving the way this thread is already going
Honestly it seems a fair question to ask and I've thought it myself sometimes when I've walked into a supermarket having literally washed my hands before leaving home to go there.
I'd assume that the evidence shows that whilst it could happen overall it's better to run that tiny risk that to not have such a system in place.
I'm more interested in whether doctors seen upturn in skin related complaints in a few months time once everyone has sanitised their hands 15 times per trip into town
Couldn't be elbow operated?Honestly it seems a fair question to ask and I've thought it myself sometimes when I've walked into a supermarket having literally washed my hands before leaving home to go there.
I'd assume that the evidence shows that whilst it could happen overall it's better to run that tiny risk that to not have such a system in place.
I'm more interested in whether doctors seen upturn in skin related complaints in a few months time once everyone has sanitised their hands 15 times per trip into town
On another point. Someone on the radio was saying due to all the additional hygiene measures, we'd be making ourselves more susceptible to all sorts of minor bugs.
Obviously none of these mitigation factors like masks, hand sanitiser, social distancing, Washing your hands are 100% or anywhere near effective on their own.
It’s all just part of a package to help reduce spread of infection. I simply look at each factor and think . . .
Is it doing any harm - unlikely
Is it doing any good - probably
So I just go with it if possible.
It’s all just part of a package to help reduce spread of infection. I simply look at each factor and think . . .
Is it doing any harm - unlikely
Is it doing any good - probably
So I just go with it if possible.
to answer OPs question without weird comments/remarks..
yes its a little flawed given so many other people will be touching it. my local aldi has a table with tissues and bottles of hand sanitiser..you have to unscrew it to pour. they're huge bottles, so if wanted you just drench your entire hands in the stuff as if you're getting baptised.some other places have the motion sensitives which are more useful.
yes we all know it doesnt help that much.. but (like with the whole mask effectivenes debate). its put in place to 'make people feel safe' and 'give confidence' in order to get people out shopping again.
yes its a little flawed given so many other people will be touching it. my local aldi has a table with tissues and bottles of hand sanitiser..you have to unscrew it to pour. they're huge bottles, so if wanted you just drench your entire hands in the stuff as if you're getting baptised.some other places have the motion sensitives which are more useful.
yes we all know it doesnt help that much.. but (like with the whole mask effectivenes debate). its put in place to 'make people feel safe' and 'give confidence' in order to get people out shopping again.
PositronicRay said:
Couldn't be elbow operated?
On another point. Someone on the radio was saying due to all the additional hygiene measures, we'd be making ourselves more susceptible to all sorts of minor bugs.
Someone on the radio? Alan Carr? That famous disease specialist Joe Grundy on The Archers? Matt and Mollie? Frank Skinner? Chris Moyles?On another point. Someone on the radio was saying due to all the additional hygiene measures, we'd be making ourselves more susceptible to all sorts of minor bugs.
Our local Lidl has hand sanitiser and wipes (to clean hands and basket handles- it says on the sign!). This is in the foyer BEFORE the automatic entrance door. All well and good, except the baskets are AFTER the door. So, go through door, pick up basket and door then shuts before you can get out to the sanitiser with your basket. Oh.... and the waste bin for the paper wipes is also before the auto door. On telling one of the staff about this he said 'OH yeah I'll tell the Manager about it again, but he's done it because people nick the baskets"
Wacky Racer said:
I'm more concerned about chip & pin machines.
(Not everyone has banking on a phone app)
I think after seeing the photographs of last night in pubs, most people have given up and couldn't give a toss now.
I wouldn't be surprised if the contactless limit doesn't get increased again either on cards or for things like ApplePay.(Not everyone has banking on a phone app)
I think after seeing the photographs of last night in pubs, most people have given up and couldn't give a toss now.
I'm sure there will always be limits but it's gone up to £45 and you'd assume banks and industry are keeping track of the average transaction to see what might be appropriate.
I'd assume there are ways to be smart about it i.e. increase the contactless limit to £100 but restrict to supermarkets?
If someone can get into my iPhone to activate ApplePay good luck to them as they'd pretty much need to be holding my head
steveo3002 said:
sanatize your hands then the check out worker handles all the shopping so its like shaking hands with them and all the previous customers
Do you stick your finger up your nose regularly while packing away? If not, there's no problem there. Sanitise again once the transaction is complete and wipe shopping down with a soapy rag once you get home if you're bothered.Pothole said:
steveo3002 said:
sanatize your hands then the check out worker handles all the shopping so its like shaking hands with them and all the previous customers
Do you stick your finger up your nose regularly while packing away? If not, there's no problem there. Sanitise again once the transaction is complete and wipe shopping down with a soapy rag once you get home if you're bothered.then going off on that point you dont hear of till operators dying in huge numbers so yeah i dunno , im of the get along with it and use a bit of common sense when i can crowd
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