Vaccine side effects
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Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
garyhun said:
That’s your prerogative BUT it’s not what you argued above when you claimed the risks are known.
Anyway, more important things to do than argue on here.
I don't see this as arguing, we are chatting. Anyway, more important things to do than argue on here.
AIUI vaccine risks are likely to be very low. I'm not a scientist, so I am putting my trust in others.
paulguitar said:
garyhun said:
That’s your prerogative BUT it’s not what you argued above when you claimed the risks are known.
Anyway, more important things to do than argue on here.
I don't see this as arguing, we are chatting. Anyway, more important things to do than argue on here.
AIUI vaccine risks are likely to be very low. I'm not a scientist, so I am putting my trust in others.
garyhun said:
How can the risks of a brand new vaccine be known?
We have a solid understanding of vaccines dating back centuries. Whilst this is a new vaccine, we are not dealing with complete unknowns. In simple terms, I'd far rather take my chance with the vaccine than with covid, and also, the only way we are going to come out of this is for most of us to get vaccinated.The vaccines haven't been waved through testing the development was fast tracked in the main due to existing R&D being done around similar vaccines/spike protein based research. It's made out of monkey poo by the way!
Just think what a great act of international one uppmanship it would be for counties to refuse certain vaccines from certain other countries for political reasons. This hasn't happened. There was a hu ha when Oxford was green lighted here and the USA refused to sanction it. The reality is they were just 10 days behind on crunching the data from testing. The very heavy a profit free vaccine is going out to the USA tells you all you need to know. The yanks have good reason to be extra careful with vaccines and any armchair epidemiologist should know why! If it gets passed in the USA it will get passed anywhere.
Sarah Gilbert will rightly get every award going once things settle down a bit. The basics of the idea were hers.
Just think what a great act of international one uppmanship it would be for counties to refuse certain vaccines from certain other countries for political reasons. This hasn't happened. There was a hu ha when Oxford was green lighted here and the USA refused to sanction it. The reality is they were just 10 days behind on crunching the data from testing. The very heavy a profit free vaccine is going out to the USA tells you all you need to know. The yanks have good reason to be extra careful with vaccines and any armchair epidemiologist should know why! If it gets passed in the USA it will get passed anywhere.
Sarah Gilbert will rightly get every award going once things settle down a bit. The basics of the idea were hers.
paulguitar said:
garyhun said:
How can the risks of a brand new vaccine be known?
We have a solid understanding of vaccines dating back centuries. Whilst this is a new vaccine, we are not dealing with complete unknowns. In simple terms, I'd far rather take my chance with the vaccine than with covid, and also, the only way we are going to come out of this is for most of us to get vaccinated.FreeLitres said:
garyhun said:
Au contraire!
We absolutely know the risks of Covid for those under 60, fit and healthy - we have real life stats. We cannot know the long term side effects of a vaccine that has only been in existence for months - unless you have a time machine.
U ok hun?We absolutely know the risks of Covid for those under 60, fit and healthy - we have real life stats. We cannot know the long term side effects of a vaccine that has only been in existence for months - unless you have a time machine.
garyhun said:
Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
Funk said:
garyhun said:
Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
garyhun said:
Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
Where do we draw the line with opting out of treatments for what can be described as self inflicted? Do we not treat someone who has overdosed because they put some a load of drugs into their body? Or do we not great someone who is obese because they have willingly put a lot of rubbish food into their body? Or what about those with illnesses caused by smoking or playing sport etc etc?
Do we start on a policy of if you don’t give blood, then you can’t have any blood in the future?
The argument doesn’t follow whichever yiu try to slice and dice it.
Funk said:
garyhun said:
Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
The leaflet I have says that the vaccines will be offered to other people at risk as soon as possible. Those at highest risk are offered it first. It then also says that many people who are infected may not have any symptoms or only have mild symptoms.
Boringvolvodriver said:
garyhun said:
Funk said:
And what we're seeing here is how easily people become 'anti-vax'...
I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
No issue with that. I hope, in return, that you will decline medical intervention if you have anything serious in the future that’s vaccine related?I've said before about things like transplants; if you're not prepared to be a donor, you should be prevented from receiving organs. I think the same about this vaccine - by all means refuse it but I think that by doing so you opt yourself out of treatment for anything covid-related that arises as a consequence of your decision.
Where do we draw the line with opting out of treatments for what can be described as self inflicted? Do we not treat someone who has overdosed because they put some a load of drugs into their body? Or do we not great someone who is obese because they have willingly put a lot of rubbish food into their body? Or what about those with illnesses caused by smoking or playing sport etc etc?
Do we start on a policy of if you don’t give blood, then you can’t have any blood in the future?
The argument doesn’t follow whichever yiu try to slice and dice it.
Choosing to smoke, for example, doesn't have the potential to put others at significant risk - particularly since the ban on smoking indoors in places like pubs and such. I can't catch lung cancer from a smoker. My obesity can't put others at risk of obesity too; if I have a heart attack as a result of my poor health decisions, that does not put others at risk of the same.
However, choosing not to have the vaccine could result in someone (potentially unwittingly) rapidly infecting a lot of people who also then go on infect others etc. The problem is that many people just don't think it's that serious or whatever but they're making decisions for themselves that affect the rest of us.
I think when it comes to a highly infectious global health pandemic we have a responsibility to listen to experts and do what we can to protect each other.
garyhun said:
Funk said:
I can't catch lung cancer from a smoker.
I think Roy Castle would disagree with you!Edited by Funk on Sunday 7th March 21:34
I had the Oxford AZ on Friday afternoon.
Went for a cycle Friday evening and felt fine.
Saturday, I felt achy all over, a little bit of a cold and extremely drowsy. I have the flu jab each year because I am a T1 diabetic. With the normal annual flu jab, I only get an aching arm for a day or two.
Today, I feel normal again. Not bad at all.
Went for a cycle Friday evening and felt fine.
Saturday, I felt achy all over, a little bit of a cold and extremely drowsy. I have the flu jab each year because I am a T1 diabetic. With the normal annual flu jab, I only get an aching arm for a day or two.
Today, I feel normal again. Not bad at all.
After the jab yesterday - went to bed feeling fine.
Woke up at 4 am shivering. Felt freezing cold and achey all over.
I haven’t got hot at all, just cold. I ache everywhere but mainly my lower back, neck and arms. I’ve got a headache and feel very foggy brained today.
Edit to add I had the AZ vaccine.
Woke up at 4 am shivering. Felt freezing cold and achey all over.
I haven’t got hot at all, just cold. I ache everywhere but mainly my lower back, neck and arms. I’ve got a headache and feel very foggy brained today.
Edit to add I had the AZ vaccine.
Edited by pidsy on Monday 8th March 11:52
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