Vaccine side effects

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Jaguar99

517 posts

37 months

Monday 19th April 2021
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mybrainhurts said:
Your brother might. Did he get checked out?
Yeah. They said if it goes away within 24 hours then probably the needle touched a nerve

It went away as was suggested

oakdale

1,786 posts

201 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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mybrainhurts said:
Calm down dear, they haven't been declared safe.

I've seen documentation from one developer that said theirs won't be deemed safe until trials are complete in two or three years and, until then, it must be considered experimental. I'll try to find it again and post up the link for doubters.

In addition, no trials have been run to determine adverse effects arising from conflicts with other medication.

That's why I'm steering clear.
If you're not a child, having the vaccine today will reduce your chances of being dead in 6 weeks, 1 year, 10 years, or any time in the future of your natural lifespan.

When you're dead, there's no risk of side effects.

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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mybrainhurts said:
Calm down dear, they haven't been declared safe.

I've seen documentation from one developer that said theirs won't be deemed safe until trials are complete in two or three years and, until then, it must be considered experimental. I'll try to find it again and post up the link for doubters.

In addition, no trials have been run to determine adverse effects arising from conflicts with other medication.

That's why I'm steering clear.
I do love reading your posts. Without exception, and regardless of topic, they are the epitome of grabbing the wrong end of the stick and running with it as hard as you can.

If I ever need any life tips, I can just look at what mybrainhurts is saying and do exactly the opposite.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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deckster said:
mybrainhurts said:
Calm down dear, they haven't been declared safe.

I've seen documentation from one developer that said theirs won't be deemed safe until trials are complete in two or three years and, until then, it must be considered experimental. I'll try to find it again and post up the link for doubters.

In addition, no trials have been run to determine adverse effects arising from conflicts with other medication.

That's why I'm steering clear.
I do love reading your posts. Without exception, and regardless of topic, they are the epitome of grabbing the wrong end of the stick and running with it as hard as you can.

If I ever need any life tips, I can just look at what mybrainhurts is saying and do exactly the opposite.
hehe

Castrol for a knave

4,639 posts

90 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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paulguitar said:
mybrainhurts said:
There can be no evidence for unforeseen circumstances. If there were, Thalidomide would not have made it to market.
There is no possible comparison with Thalidomide though. It's kind of insulting to the scientists who've developed these vaccines to bring that up.
Aside from the fact Thalidomide is not a vaccine, I ask anyone who uses it as a comparison if they have heard of the de Havilland Comet. That had a design fault as well, that ended badly.

Then ask them if they are happy to fly.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Got my 2nd jab on Friday. Was totally asymptomatic after the first (Astra Zeneca). Hoping for the same this time around!

MOBB

3,575 posts

126 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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MOBB said:
Had the Moderna first jab 24 hours ago, very slick operation in Northampton, felt a very slight scratch.

Arm has progressively become a bit more painful since, feels like someone has punched it.

Not really sure if I am more tired etc, certainly no flu like symptoms.
A further 24 hours on, definitely more tired and slightly coldy-feeling.

I will soldier on and not whinge, like all men.



Maximus_Meridius101

1,222 posts

36 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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I’m fine today, so the side effects ( for me ) were just a slightly sore arm, and a very mild hangovery feeling, for about 6 hours after I got up. That seems like a fair trade, especially if any sort of vaccine passport idea happens in the near future.

Electronicpants

2,623 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Got mine (AZ) on Saturday, very very slight sore arm about 24 hrs after, like you have banged it off a door or something, but other than that, nothing.

Wife, who suffers with not that great health, and had her's a few weeks ago with mild symptoms for a couple of days after, called me a jammy bd biggrin


Maximus_Meridius101

1,222 posts

36 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Electronicpants said:
Got mine (AZ) on Saturday, very very slight sore arm about 24 hrs after, like you have banged it off a door or something, but other than that, nothing.

Wife, who suffers with not that great health, and had her's a few weeks ago with mild symptoms for a couple of days after, called me a jammy bd biggrin

I’m wondering if having some sort of reaction is better than getting no reaction, or not. Does no reaction / side effects mean that the immune system hasn’t responded, and therefore the vaccine hasn’t worked?

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Electronicpants said:
Got mine (AZ) on Saturday, very very slight sore arm about 24 hrs after, like you have banged it off a door or something, but other than that, nothing.

Wife, who suffers with not that great health, and had her's a few weeks ago with mild symptoms for a couple of days after, called me a jammy bd biggrin

I’m wondering if having some sort of reaction is better than getting no reaction, or not. Does no reaction / side effects mean that the immune system hasn’t responded, and therefore the vaccine hasn’t worked?
No it does not. One reason could be that someone who is unhealthy has a higher level of inflammation in the blood (eg blood test may reveal higher ESR or CRP, but not always) and therefore their immune system is ready to fire and goes overboard. If someone is healthier (from an immune perspective this could mean less stress (thus less glutamate, less adrenal stress etc), have higher vitamin D levels, higher endogenous glutathione levels, healthy diet with loads of good antioxidants etc and so their immune response ends up being adequate, not too little but overboard.

There's an awful lot more to it that that but that's just a basic example.

Electronicpants

2,623 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Electronicpants said:
Got mine (AZ) on Saturday, very very slight sore arm about 24 hrs after, like you have banged it off a door or something, but other than that, nothing.

Wife, who suffers with not that great health, and had her's a few weeks ago with mild symptoms for a couple of days after, called me a jammy bd biggrin

I’m wondering if having some sort of reaction is better than getting no reaction, or not. Does no reaction / side effects mean that the immune system hasn’t responded, and therefore the vaccine hasn’t worked?
No it does not. One reason could be that someone who is unhealthy has a higher level of inflammation in the blood (eg blood test may reveal higher ESR or CRP, but not always) and therefore their immune system is ready to fire and goes overboard. If someone is healthier (from an immune perspective this could mean less stress (thus less glutamate, less adrenal stress etc), have higher vitamin D levels, higher endogenous glutathione levels, healthy diet with loads of good antioxidants etc and so their immune response ends up being adequate, not too little but overboard.

There's an awful lot more to it that that but that's just a basic example.
I do take vitamin d every day and am particularity into gut health at the moment, eat well, exercise etc, wayyy back in olden covid days I spent a good few visits and hours with my covid hospitalised Mum (yes they let me visit my Mum in a covid ward!), and had shared a car and an enclosed room with my covid positive Dad, and nothing came of it at all, never been tested. So it may well be I've a healthy immune system, or it might be I'm a Jammy bd like my wife says.


TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Electronicpants said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Maximus_Meridius101 said:
Electronicpants said:
Got mine (AZ) on Saturday, very very slight sore arm about 24 hrs after, like you have banged it off a door or something, but other than that, nothing.

Wife, who suffers with not that great health, and had her's a few weeks ago with mild symptoms for a couple of days after, called me a jammy bd biggrin

I’m wondering if having some sort of reaction is better than getting no reaction, or not. Does no reaction / side effects mean that the immune system hasn’t responded, and therefore the vaccine hasn’t worked?
No it does not. One reason could be that someone who is unhealthy has a higher level of inflammation in the blood (eg blood test may reveal higher ESR or CRP, but not always) and therefore their immune system is ready to fire and goes overboard. If someone is healthier (from an immune perspective this could mean less stress (thus less glutamate, less adrenal stress etc), have higher vitamin D levels, higher endogenous glutathione levels, healthy diet with loads of good antioxidants etc and so their immune response ends up being adequate, not too little but overboard.

There's an awful lot more to it that that but that's just a basic example.
I do take vitamin d every day and am particularity into gut health at the moment, eat well, exercise etc, wayyy back in olden covid days I spent a good few visits and hours with my covid hospitalised Mum (yes they let me visit my Mum in a covid ward!), and had shared a car and an enclosed room with my covid positive Dad, and nothing came of it at all, never been tested. So it may well be I've a healthy immune system, or it might be I'm a Jammy bd like my wife says.
Most people who supplement vitamin D take a stupidly low dose. For most people in the UK 4-5000iu/day is a really good amount. If obese, you can more than double that. Those that say you'll get toxicity at those amounts don't know the research (nobody has shown toxicity under 500nmol/L serum levels) or think you'll get kidney stones (ironically, kidney stones linked with LOW vitamin D, and no correlation has been found between increase in stones and high vitamin D levels). I try to get patients of mine 125-175nmol/L if possible, that's spot on. Impossible in the UK without supplementing.

Gut health plays a major role in all sorts of things from immunity, depression, various neurological disorders etc etc. It's massive, so well done you smile

Electronicpants

2,623 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Most people who supplement vitamin D take a stupidly low dose. For most people in the UK 4-5000iu/day is a really good amount. If obese, you can more than double that. Those that say you'll get toxicity at those amounts don't know the research (nobody has shown toxicity under 500nmol/L serum levels) or think you'll get kidney stones (ironically, kidney stones linked with LOW vitamin D, and no correlation has been found between increase in stones and high vitamin D levels). I try to get patients of mine 125-175nmol/L if possible, that's spot on. Impossible in the UK without supplementing.

Gut health plays a major role in all sorts of things from immunity, depression, various neurological disorders etc etc. It's massive, so well done you smile
Thanks, to be fair my wife got some "skin looking things" from her Uncle that she grows in jars and makes these drinks that look horrific, she's very into it, all I do is drink them hehe

I take 2000iu/day.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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Electronicpants said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Most people who supplement vitamin D take a stupidly low dose. For most people in the UK 4-5000iu/day is a really good amount. If obese, you can more than double that. Those that say you'll get toxicity at those amounts don't know the research (nobody has shown toxicity under 500nmol/L serum levels) or think you'll get kidney stones (ironically, kidney stones linked with LOW vitamin D, and no correlation has been found between increase in stones and high vitamin D levels). I try to get patients of mine 125-175nmol/L if possible, that's spot on. Impossible in the UK without supplementing.

Gut health plays a major role in all sorts of things from immunity, depression, various neurological disorders etc etc. It's massive, so well done you smile
Thanks, to be fair my wife got some "skin looking things" from her Uncle that she grows in jars and makes these drinks that look horrific, she's very into it, all I do is drink them hehe

I take 2000iu/day.
Almost certainly enough to get you out of insufficient, but I'd be taking 2 of those per day unless you're a bit overweight, where you can take a bit more smile

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Tuesday 20th April 2021
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MOBB

3,575 posts

126 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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MOBB said:
MOBB said:
Had the Moderna first jab 24 hours ago, very slick operation in Northampton, felt a very slight scratch.

Arm has progressively become a bit more painful since, feels like someone has punched it.

Not really sure if I am more tired etc, certainly no flu like symptoms.
A further 24 hours on, definitely more tired and slightly coldy-feeling.

I will soldier on and not whinge, like all men.
Now 72 hours on and arm pain has pretty much gone, feel pretty normal.

Yesterday afternoon and evening I did feel quite rough, very tired and felt quite coldy, but woke up this morning fine.

MattyD803

1,690 posts

64 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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I had horrific Wisdom tooth pain for around 72 hours following my jab.....I believe this was more than just a co-incidence as i've not had any wisdom tooth pain since I was in my late teens (some twenty odd years ago), and it came on within 24hrs of the jab and went away really quickly.

Reading the weekly OAZ publication regarding side effects, tooth pain appears to be fairly common....


JFReturns

3,693 posts

170 months

Thursday 22nd April 2021
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Had Oxford AstraZeneca jab yesterday afternoon at 17:30. Arm a bit sore. I woke up today at 03:30 with a thumping headache and severe shivering to the point I struggling to take painkillers and drink the water.

Back to bed for a few hours but still feeling quite rough with flu symptoms though shivering has stopped and not feeling as bad as first thing. No way I could work today.

40, pretty fit with gym and running and healthy diet, don’t drink blah blah. I’m very stressed at work at the moment so I wonder if that is a factor on how you react.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

34,944 posts

211 months

Thursday 22nd April 2021
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JFReturns said:
I’m very stressed at work at the moment so I wonder if that is a factor on how you react.
Most definitely. Largely to do with increased cortisol levels which has a huge impact on the immune system. Plenty of other factors too, but that is one of them.