30 somethings - are you going to vax?

[sherman]

Taking the jab is a lot quicker and cheaper than burdening yourself on the nhs for potentially the rest of your life with long covid when you catch it.
You may not get many symptoms the first time you get it but with no vaccine whos to say you wont get it every year and one year you get it bad and end up with long covid?

[anonymous-user]

Isn't that the common cold?

[Terminator X]

WonkeyDonkey said:

This thread is bonkers. I never knew PH harboured so many entitled anti vaxxers. No better than the American 'karens'.

Lol aka people who don't share your opinion. How very 2021 though, name calling.

TX.

[Terminator X]

Prof Prolapse said:

superlightr said:

If this 32 doctor had not had the vaccine he would not have died of the vaccine. If the had caught covid his had an effective zero risk of dying from Covid.

Why take the vaccine risk?

The widow is foolish for not being angry over this and blinded by brainwashing/manipulation of the govt. which is criminal.

I absolutely understand your point. But can I just show you some maths?

In the simplest terms though, the risk of anyone dying of COVID is 2% (CFR cited by MHRA). The risk of anyone having a thrombolytic event is 0.002% (OAZ vaccine). The risk of anyone dying from that event is cited as ~0.0002% (I have not seen the source for this but it's quoted by tabloids).

That means that a person is ten thousand times more likely to die of COVID than a thrombolytic event due to the vaccine.

So it makes logical sense to attempt to protect them from COVID, as I understand it at least.

NHS data Covid deaths (in Hospital) by age group since Mar 2020:

Age group (years)

Total 87,218

0 - 19 40
20 - 39 609
40 - 59 6,278
60 - 79 33,378
80+ 46,913

How many people in the UK are under 40 as just 649 of them have died of Covid in Hospital?

TX.

[Terminator X]

djc206 said:

superlightr said:

Ive said its "effectively zero risk" for a early 30's dying of covid - you said its "insanely small" risk of dying of covid. - I think we are on the same page.

Clearly blood clots/strokes dying of the vaccine is a risk. why take it at all if you are in your 30's?

what other real benefits are you thinking of?

Effectively zero risk of dying from the vaccine at any age if you want to play that game.

I don’t agree with you, you seem to think the risk posed by the vaccine is higher than the illness, I’m not seeing that borne out in the stats, you also seem to have this myopic focus on death completely ignoring all the other effects of the illness.

Reduction in transmission, reduction in serious illness including hospitalisation. Not to mention that Covid is a proper prick of an illness.

By the Govts own admission 33% of infected people have not a single symptom. 80% ish have either mild or no symptoms. Plus pretty much everyone at risk has been double vaxed, the young really don't need it to "protect others" either.

TX.

[DukeDickson]

Mr Spoon said:

Isn't that the common cold?

It will be branch of many, but for now, Lemsip for all is the only answer.

Everyone's mmv is significantly diverse on this, as you would expect & as is mine.

Replace Could with cold (or maybe Flu) and you get a very different picture.

[gregs656]

Terminator X said:

NHS data Covid deaths (in Hospital) by age group since Mar 2020:

Age group (years)

Total 87,218

0 - 19 40
20 - 39 609
40 - 59 6,278
60 - 79 33,378
80+ 46,913

How many people in the UK are under 40 as just 649 of them have died of Covid in Hospital?

TX.

Again though why focus on hospitalisation?

I had the HPV vaccine, how many 30ish year olds are hospitalised with that? Has there ever been a death? Should I not have had it?

[djc206]

Terminator X said:

By the Govts own admission 33% of infected people have not a single symptom. 80% ish have either mild or no symptoms. Plus pretty much everyone at risk has been double vaxed, the young really don't need it to "protect others" either.

TX.

I know a lot of people who’ve had covid in their 30’s and it’s been a mixture of “didn’t even know I had it” with a smattering of “knocked me for 6” bit like a good dose of the flu. I’ve had flu, it’s an ahole, I get the flu jab for two reasons and one of them is that I’ve had flu before and it’s st so I’d really like to not get it again if possible, same for covid.

Just an anecdote so you can skip over this paragraph if you like : the worst covid case I know of amongst friends and colleagues is the teenage daughter of one of my colleagues. All 4 of them got it, mum and dad around 50yrs old like a dose of the flu, teenage son nothing at all, teenage daughter parosmia for months. Parosmia sounds bloody awful to me!

It would appear the JCVI disagree with your conclusion.

[isaldiri]

djc206 said:

It would appear the JCVI disagree with your conclusion.

The JCVI have not decided yet on whether children should be jabbed up en masse....

[djc206]

isaldiri said:

djc206 said:

It would appear the JCVI disagree with your conclusion.

The JCVI have not decided yet on whether children should be jabbed up en masse....

He said young not kids and the conversation is about 30 somethings

Although thinking about it I see why you’d think I’m advocating the vaccination of kids, I’m not btw just giving an example of what covid can do to younger people and the weird and wonderful ways it presents itself that don’t appear on the front page of papers in the stats roundup.

[anonymous-user]

ok, so for todays second attempt, (i cancelled the last jab) I have my jab in 45 minutes.

[hotchy]

Sure the figures for Scotland was 1 million people have not turned up. Considering we have such a small population that's a massive figure.

What a waste the way scotland have done this. Let people book the jag themselves, instead of waiting on a letter. If I could book my jag now for my 2nd id be off tomorrow now I'm over 3 weeks. Instead ill end up like plenty, lost letters, lost in the system. No records etc etc. Genuinly a disaster of a rollout. Once everyone who wants a jag and actively gets one then send the rest letters.

Also get a 2 jag no tests or quarantine travel system started. Thatll scare plenty into getting a jag just to travel with no restrictions.

[MrBrightSi]

hotchy said:

Sure the figures for Scotland was 1 million people have not turned up. Considering we have such a small population that's a massive figure.

What a waste the way scotland have done this. Let people book the jag themselves, instead of waiting on a letter. If I could book my jag now for my 2nd id be off tomorrow now I'm over 3 weeks. Instead ill end up like plenty, lost letters, lost in the system. No records etc etc. Genuinly a disaster of a rollout. Once everyone who wants a jag and actively gets one then send the rest letters.

Also get a 2 jag no tests or quarantine travel system started. Thatll scare plenty into getting a jag just to travel with no restrictions.

So you want to punish those who wont follow suit? Why are you so interested in what others do? You're having your two big cats, who gives a fk about others?

[captain_cynic]

MrBrightSi said:

hotchy said:

Sure the figures for Scotland was 1 million people have not turned up. Considering we have such a small population that's a massive figure.

What a waste the way scotland have done this. Let people book the jag themselves, instead of waiting on a letter. If I could book my jag now for my 2nd id be off tomorrow now I'm over 3 weeks. Instead ill end up like plenty, lost letters, lost in the system. No records etc etc. Genuinly a disaster of a rollout. Once everyone who wants a jag and actively gets one then send the rest letters.

Also get a 2 jag no tests or quarantine travel system started. Thatll scare plenty into getting a jag just to travel with no restrictions.

So you want to punish those who wont follow suit? Why are you so interested in what others do? You're having your two big cats, who gives a fk about others?

Because what they do affects me.

What are you not asking why the anti-vaxxers are so selfish?

My sister has issues with blood clots, she will be taking blood thinners for the rest of her life, she probably won't be able to have the vaccine so is dependent on everyone else getting it.

Why should my sister or anyone else in her scenario be punished because some nutbar wants to subscribe to baseless paranoid conspiracy theories?

Absolute selfish tts.

[captain_cynic]

hotchy said:

What a waste the way scotland have done this. Let people book the jag themselves, instead of waiting on a letter. If I could book my jag now for my 2nd id be off tomorrow now I'm over 3 weeks. Instead ill end up like plenty, lost letters, lost in
the system. No records etc etc. Genuinly a disaster of a rollout. Once everyone who wants a jag and actively gets one then send the rest letters.

This is something NHS England did right. As soon as you're eligible you can book your vaccination online. Choose your vaccination centre and choose your preferred time and date and done. I was able to nab both appointments on days where I'm not working.

Had my first shot last Monday, haven't died from the mysterious (read: non existent) side effects. On the plus side I'm significantly less likely to contract or die from a virus that has some significant known and proven side effects, up to and including death.

[Colonel Cupcake]

captain_cynic said:

MrBrightSi said:

hotchy said:

Sure the figures for Scotland was 1 million people have not turned up. Considering we have such a small population that's a massive figure.

What a waste the way scotland have done this. Let people book the jag themselves, instead of waiting on a letter. If I could book my jag now for my 2nd id be off tomorrow now I'm over 3 weeks. Instead ill end up like plenty, lost letters, lost in the system. No records etc etc. Genuinly a disaster of a rollout. Once everyone who wants a jag and actively gets one then send the rest letters.

Also get a 2 jag no tests or quarantine travel system started. Thatll scare plenty into getting a jag just to travel with no restrictions.

So you want to punish those who wont follow suit? Why are you so interested in what others do? You're having your two big cats, who gives a fk about others?

Because what they do affects me.

What are you not asking why the anti-vaxxers are so selfish?

My sister has issues with blood clots, she will be taking blood thinners for the rest of her life, she probably won't be able to have the vaccine so is dependent on everyone else getting it.

Why should my sister or anyone else in her scenario be punished because some nutbar wants to subscribe to baseless paranoid conspiracy theories?

Absolute selfish tts.

Why don't we round up all the people like your sister and have them living in an isolated, sealed compound and let the rest of society carry on as normal?

Why should I, and the vast majority of society be punished because some woman wants to force everyone else, including kids into taking a vaccine, unproven at that, that they don't need and don't derive any benefit from.

Absolute selfish tt.

[Harrison Bergeron]

captain_cynic said:

Because what they do affects me.

What are you not asking why the anti-vaxxers are so selfish?

My sister has issues with blood clots, she will be taking blood thinners for the rest of her life, she probably won't be able to have the vaccine so is dependent on everyone else getting it.

Why should my sister or anyone else in her scenario be punished because some nutbar wants to subscribe to baseless paranoid conspiracy theories?

Absolute selfish tts.

You’re calling those who don’t want the vaccine selfish yet you want 65 million(and by extension 8 billion) people to take a vaccine that isn’t really needed for 50% of them.
Even if you just take the people who don’t need it as they’ve already had it(confirmed by the gov) you’re calling 4.5 million selfish if they don’t take something they don’t need.

Entitled much?

Tell your sister she’ll be fine if I don’t have the emergency vaccine. I’m one of the 4.5 million. My immunity is better than your immunity. It’s organic innit.

[popeyewhite]

Harrison Bergeron said:

You’re calling those who don’t want the vaccine selfish yet you want 65 million(and by extension 8 billion) people to take a vaccine that isn’t really needed for 50% of them.

Good basis for an ethical argument.

PH gets more like the twitter-sewer every day.

[crofty1984]

Had my first the other week. My main reasons are more related to getting my life back than health. I couldn't give a st if it was just a needle full of water. I've done my not, ticked the box now end fking lockdown.

[captain_cynic]

Colonel Cupcake said:

Why don't we round up all the people like your sister and have them living in an isolated, sealed compound and let the rest of society carry on as normal?

Why should I, and the vast majority of society be punished because some woman wants to force everyone else, including kids into taking a vaccine, unproven at that, that they don't need and don't derive any benefit from.

I'm an absolute selfish tt.

Fixed that for you.

Why don't we round up all the people who don't want to get a perfectly safe vaccine and have them live in isolation?

If anyone should be rounded up, it should be the people who refuse to fit into society, not those who are unfortunate enough to have a manageable illness.

Fortunately for you... I'm not an idiot or a selfish tt who proposes such things.

BTW... You need to be told that you do not represent the majority of society. You are an absolute nutter who seems to think rounding up people who have an illness so you can be irresponsible is a good idea... Aktion T4 immediately came to mind when I read your nonsense.

Very few people agree with you. You need to stop deluding yourself otherwise.

Edited by captain_cynic on Saturday 19th June 10:57