30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
I had my second jab a month or so ago.
Had asymptomatic covid last year as well.
Still alive.
33 years old.
Decided I'm going to trust the worlds best scientists advice over a few mad balls on car forum.
I do feel an aliegence with the CCP and I keep hearing Bill Gates voice in my head. Coincidence maybe?
Had asymptomatic covid last year as well.
Still alive.
33 years old.
Decided I'm going to trust the worlds best scientists advice over a few mad balls on car forum.
I do feel an aliegence with the CCP and I keep hearing Bill Gates voice in my head. Coincidence maybe?
Edited by WonkeyDonkey on Thursday 24th June 21:42
SiH said:
Arrogant appeal to authority, followed by:
they're also there to prevent you from being the individual that hosts a new mutation which turns out to be much more hazardous than the strains we currently have.
Since the vaccine does not stop you becoming infected, it's hard to see your logic. In fact, some argue that having very many vaccinated people will actually increase the chance of an "escape variant" precisely because that is the only way the virus can continue to multiply.they're also there to prevent you from being the individual that hosts a new mutation which turns out to be much more hazardous than the strains we currently have.
Oh, and don't forget the billions of people on the planet outside the UK. That's where your "much more hazardous" variant will come from, if anywhere. Like, I dunno, India perhaps?
SiH said:
Christ, this kind of thread really winds me up. I can see how BV72, agtlaw and others must feel on the S,P&L forum when dealing with the amateur lawyers. While I can understand the thought processes that lead to the conclusion of 'it's my body and I'll do what I want' I'm afraid that I don't agree with it and I also don't sympathise with that point of view. COVD vaccinations aren't just there to stop you from dying from the current strains of the virus, they're there to help prevent you from suffering potentially life-changing long-term symptoms and they're also there to prevent you from being the individual that hosts a new mutation which turns out to be much more hazardous than the strains we currently have.
Potentially but the odds are massively in your favour if you’re young and healthy.WonkeyDonkey said:
I had my second jab a month or so ago.
Had asymptomatic covid last year as well.
Still alive.
33 years old.
Decided I'm going to trust the worlds best scientists advice over a few mad balls on car forum.
I do feel an aliegence with the CCP and I keep hearing Bill Gates voice in my head. Coincidence maybe?
Ignore the mad balls at your peril, I'm not taking the vaccine but then that's my choice not too. Had asymptomatic covid last year as well.
Still alive.
33 years old.
Decided I'm going to trust the worlds best scientists advice over a few mad balls on car forum.
I do feel an aliegence with the CCP and I keep hearing Bill Gates voice in my head. Coincidence maybe?
Edited by WonkeyDonkey on Thursday 24th June 21:42
I'm sure those that died from strokes and other side effects trusted the world best scientists too, just unfortunate many will have had their deaths explained away as other things. They are said to be under reported by at least 10%.
Us mad balls come in many forms, I know doctors, research scientists, consultants, GP's, nurses, engineers. Many highly intelligent and informed people who have made an informed decision not to be vaccinated.
In my local hospital there is nobody in ICU with Covid, but dozens in wards with adverse reactions to the vaccine. This is straight from someone that works in the hospital in a senior position.
Edited by sutoka on Friday 25th June 05:54
Brave Fart said:
Since the vaccine does not stop you becoming infected, it's hard to see your logic. In fact, some argue that having very many vaccinated people will actually increase the chance of an "escape variant" precisely because that is the only way the virus can continue to multiply.
Oh, and don't forget the billions of people on the planet outside the UK. That's where your "much more hazardous" variant will come from, if anywhere. Like, I dunno, India perhaps?
Very good point and one that i had forgotten about. UK, Brazil and South Africa all countries during 2020 had the biggest vaccine trails and guess what the same countries that has produced the highly infectious variants. Course the MSM wont ever report on that, so instead of sounding like a government mouth piece do your own research and gain a bigger picture of the situation - that is of course if you want to @ SiHOh, and don't forget the billions of people on the planet outside the UK. That's where your "much more hazardous" variant will come from, if anywhere. Like, I dunno, India perhaps?
Edited by davey83 on Friday 25th June 08:41
SiH said:
Christ, this kind of thread really winds me up. I can see how BV72, agtlaw and others must feel on the S,P&L forum when dealing with the amateur lawyers. While I can understand the thought processes that lead to the conclusion of 'it's my body and I'll do what I want' I'm afraid that I don't agree with it and I also don't sympathise with that point of view. COVD vaccinations aren't just there to stop you from dying from the current strains of the virus, they're there to help prevent you from suffering potentially life-changing long-term symptoms and they're also there to prevent you from being the individual that hosts a new mutation which turns out to be much more hazardous than the strains we currently have.
How righteous of you. - Im doing this to for your benefit but you are so ungrateful. The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
Brave Fart said:
As for covid vaccines: there is no evidence of long term effects because the long term hasn't happened yet. Hence the long term risk is unknown and that's the reason many people are hesitant about them.
No, you're missing the point, without a reason to justify the risk, it's specious.Do you worry about the effect Nike Air Max trainers in twenty years time? LED TVs? Mobile phone use? Red bull?
The long term hasn't happened yet for these either, and there's no evidence of a cause for concern, so why does it not equally apply that we should be frightened of using them?
Prof Prolapse said:
Brave Fart said:
As for covid vaccines: there is no evidence of long term effects because the long term hasn't happened yet. Hence the long term risk is unknown and that's the reason many people are hesitant about them.
No, you're missing the point, without a reason to justify the risk, it's specious.Do you worry about the effect Nike Air Max trainers in twenty years time? LED TVs? Mobile phone use? Red bull?
The long term hasn't happened yet for these either, and there's no evidence of a cause for concern, so why does it not equally apply that we should be frightened of using them?
superlightr said:
How righteous of you. - Im doing this to for your benefit but you are so ungrateful.
The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
How much of a snow flake must you be that you think you're living in North Korea because you've been encouraged to take a vaccine on the grounds it may save your life. The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
Prof Prolapse said:
superlightr said:
How righteous of you. - Im doing this to for your benefit but you are so ungrateful.
The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
How much of a snow flake must you be that you think you're living in North Korea because you've been encouraged to take a vaccine on the grounds it may save your life. The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
superlightr said:
you just dont get it do you?
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
I do get it. The government has overstepped several marks, I agree, I'd like to see individuals in court, but I'm not disputing that here as it's not relevant, but you're making a child like exaggeration. You've clearly zero concept of what real oppression and coercion are, if you think that's what this is is happening here. Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
But if you don't wear a mask, what happens? You're politely declined service.
If you travel outside your restrictions? You're politely told to go home.
If you refuse to go home? You get a nominal fine, which you could almost certainly have throw out of a court.
And god forbid if you refuse you vaccine?... Nothing happens. Not a damned thing.
The government says they "definitely, might, probably, maybe" do something to prioritise people who vaccinate, but they've zero real plans as in reality some groups will be exempt by medical recommendation so it's a nightmare to legislate.
In reality if you don't get vaccine all that happens is that some people call you an idiot, most people don't care, or they're a mixture of both (me). If you had some bloody humility and just shut up about it, you'd not even get judged as no one would ever even know about your decisions.
I totally object to some government handlings of the pandemic, but being told there are zero consequences except for public judgement if you decline a vaccine really isn't the same as living under Stalin in Soviet bloody Russia is it? You're being encouraged to take a medicine which may save your life, and at the very least decreases your risk of spreading it and becoming seriously ill!
superlightr said:
Prof Prolapse said:
superlightr said:
How righteous of you. - Im doing this to for your benefit but you are so ungrateful.
The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
How much of a snow flake must you be that you think you're living in North Korea because you've been encouraged to take a vaccine on the grounds it may save your life. The Govt have overstepped the mark and are acting immorally and illegally by manipulating, coercion and fear. You can see this by how some people turn on others.
read up on "nudge policy " how we had the "war on terror" and how the govt have gone from positive messages of mass control - ie dont some, eat well to segregate and fear each other. They have made each of us a bio-terrorist and encourage others to penalise and segregate them .
Its a crime against humanity what the govt are now doing. Stop it. Dont be part of it. You are being manipulated. Have the feking jab if you want but dont you dare start to be righteous when wont.
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
superlightr said:
you just dont get it do you?
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
Its been done before a recurrent theme in Nazi antisemitic propaganda was that Jews spread diseases. A sure fire way to turn people against each other. The same is taking shape now. New variants are being spread by the un-vaccinated, to justify force medication or loose your job. Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/...
Prof Prolapse said:
superlightr said:
you just dont get it do you?
Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
I do get it. The government has overstepped several marks, I agree, I'd like to see individuals in court, but I'm not disputing that here as it's not relevant, but you're making a child like exaggeration. You've clearly zero concept of what real oppression and coercion are, if you think that's what this is is happening here. Its overstepped the mark -its oppressive and coercion. Its no longer "encouragement".
Its against basic human rights. Healthy people are being portrayed as bio-terrorists and as such must be put down and restricted. Its abhorrent.
But if you don't wear a mask, what happens? You're politely declined service.
If you travel outside your restrictions? You're politely told to go home.
If you refuse to go home? You get a nominal fine, which you could almost certainly have throw out of a court.
And god forbid if you refuse you vaccine?... Nothing happens. Not a damned thing.
The government says they "definitely, might, probably, maybe" do something to prioritise people who vaccinate, but they've zero real plans as in reality some groups will be exempt by medical recommendation so it's a nightmare to legislate.
In reality if you don't get vaccine all that happens is that some people call you an idiot, most people don't care, or they're a mixture of both (me). The reality is if you had some bloody humility and just shut up about it, you'd not even get judged as no one would ever even know about your decisions.
I totally object to some government handlings of the pandemic, but being told there are zero consequences except for public judgement if you decline a vaccine really isn't the same as living under Stalin in Soviet bloody Russia is it?
Nope I wont be silent when I see injustice and immoral things occur. You are free to cross the road and not help if you want - bit of a coward but your not going to tell me to be silent.
You may one day wake up and see the the real danger in what the govt are doing to the population.
Edited by superlightr on Friday 25th June 11:55
superlightr said:
It is now coercion and thats the rub isnt it - to silence others, to control them.
Nope I wont be silent when I see injustice and immoral things occur. You are free to cross the road and not help if you want - bit of a coward but your not going to tell me to be silent.
You may one day wake up and see the the real danger in what the govt are doing to the population.
Then you should go forth and fight your windmills, Don Quixote. Nope I wont be silent when I see injustice and immoral things occur. You are free to cross the road and not help if you want - bit of a coward but your not going to tell me to be silent.
You may one day wake up and see the the real danger in what the govt are doing to the population.
You'll find nothing for your cause here.
Prof Prolapse said:
Brave Fart said:
As for covid vaccines: there is no evidence of long term effects because the long term hasn't happened yet. Hence the long term risk is unknown and that's the reason many people are hesitant about them.
No, you're missing the point, without a reason to justify the risk, it's specious.Do you worry about the effect Nike Air Max trainers in twenty years time? LED TVs? Mobile phone use? Red bull?
The long term hasn't happened yet for these either, and there's no evidence of a cause for concern, so why does it not equally apply that we should be frightened of using them?
I think those who say "I'll wait a couple more years to see if there are any risks from this new technology that we don't yet know about, because the virus is no threat to me anyway" have a perfectly understandable viewpoint, and one that I respect.
Ashfordian said:
You have to wonder how insecure these type of people are with their decision to have the jab, that they go to this much effort to justify their decision and that others should follow without question. I wonder if they are as controlling of their family in their private lives...
Ad-hominem comment based on questioning my motivations and indirectly my family life? Interesting... No, my family love and respect me, but they do mock me for when I carefully try and remove pests from our house. My partner tells me it's pointless as they just come back or die anyway. The odd one doesn't though. So you do it for the slim chance of a pointless creature being saved.
It passes the time at least.
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