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nuyorican said:
To whoever posted the YouTube podcast - thanks for that, watched half of it last night, most interesting. Will watch the rest tonight.
Dabbled with fasting quite a bit in the past, from the unintentional (raving/clubbing years) to later three day water fasts, it definitely works and is something I try to incorporate when I can.
My problem is I burn the candle at both ends. I work hard and am reasonably fit. Will often cycle forty miles, work out with press-ups, dips etc a few times per week. Often a gym member but end up leaving due to various reasons not related to motivation, more people, parking etc.
But I also overeat, and I can easily drink ten pints or a couple of bottles of red of an evening.
Anything that helps with this half of the equation has my attention. The booze thing goes in cycles. I’ll realise I’ve been drinking too much recently then quit completely for a number of weeks/months. Then an event will start me off again and I’ll be back in the habit of drinking Friday to Sunday nights again, sometimes more.
Deep down I probably know the real answer is to quit the booze properly as my diet is definitely worse when I’m drinking. But not sure I’m ready to make that decision just yet. All of my friends and family drink.
You're welcome re the link. Johann Hari is legit. He's done the rounds on a few different podcasts re his weight loss journey with Ozempic.Dabbled with fasting quite a bit in the past, from the unintentional (raving/clubbing years) to later three day water fasts, it definitely works and is something I try to incorporate when I can.
My problem is I burn the candle at both ends. I work hard and am reasonably fit. Will often cycle forty miles, work out with press-ups, dips etc a few times per week. Often a gym member but end up leaving due to various reasons not related to motivation, more people, parking etc.
But I also overeat, and I can easily drink ten pints or a couple of bottles of red of an evening.
Anything that helps with this half of the equation has my attention. The booze thing goes in cycles. I’ll realise I’ve been drinking too much recently then quit completely for a number of weeks/months. Then an event will start me off again and I’ll be back in the habit of drinking Friday to Sunday nights again, sometimes more.
Deep down I probably know the real answer is to quit the booze properly as my diet is definitely worse when I’m drinking. But not sure I’m ready to make that decision just yet. All of my friends and family drink.
Sounds to me as though you're looking for a 'cheat code' for the weight loss.
You've ID'd the issues, you need to make the changes. As you are aware, alcohol = excess calories and 'dietary indiscretion'. I don't know how much Ozempic would help with reducing your drinking. (I think in the podcast it mentioned that it could curb addictive tendencies).
The studies show that GLP-1 are only really effective when people are taking them. Once they stop, the weight piles back on. What would be your plan long term?
Ultimately you need to make changes that are sustainable (and fit in with your lifestyle) and can be maintained in the long term. People struggle with 'diets' because for many they are overly restrictive and they cannot maintain them.
(DOI: dropped weight from 78kg to ~ 67kg over 2023 and have maintained though diet/exercise).
Hoofy said:
Yep, it's not magic. 24 hour fasts 3 days a week will see results. Yes, you can do this for the rest of your life whenever you've had a big night out.
Don't even need to exercise if you can't be bothered.
Does this actually work? Presumably you do 6pm - 6pm or similar so that you aren't trying to sleep on an empty stomach?Don't even need to exercise if you can't be bothered.
Mr Pointy said:
Don Roque said:
Just eat less and exercise more. You can always push yourself harder and cut the flab.
It perfectly obvious that attitude just doesn't work for most people - Wegovy & the like really are a game changer.Don Roque said:
Mr Pointy said:
It perfectly obvious that attitude just doesn't work for most people - Wegovy & the like really are a game changer.
For the lazy and the weak-willed, in the short term. Maybe ask yourself why better men with stronger wills are in better shape than you before you srart taking these dodgy drugs - just a thought. I agree the physical reasons behind obesity can be summarised as "too much cake" and "not enough moving around", sure. But what are the causes of those? It's not always laziness and/or weak will.
Every middle-aged man I know who is in what I regard as good shape has the following attributes:
1) no children at home (i.e. he's either never had a family, has left his family or his kids have grown up)
OR
2) a low pressure job that affords lots of downtime
OR
3) a very physical job (and is now feeling it in his joints, so will probably get a sedentary job and spread)
OR
4) the gym is his hobby... And he takes steroids "because it's impossible otherwise at our age".
Every other middle-aged man I know has some degree of bloat or spread. It's not laziness, it's having other priorities.
MrBig said:
Hoofy said:
Yep, it's not magic. 24 hour fasts 3 days a week will see results. Yes, you can do this for the rest of your life whenever you've had a big night out.
Don't even need to exercise if you can't be bothered.
Does this actually work? Presumably you do 6pm - 6pm or similar so that you aren't trying to sleep on an empty stomach?Don't even need to exercise if you can't be bothered.
I do 9pm to 9pm just because I can then relax in the evening and not worry about what I'm eating past 9pm. I probably eat about 1.5 meals between 9pm and bedtime, which is under my previous 3-4 meals.
bloomen said:
I don't see how short circuiting the natural and correct function of the body with medication can be anything other than damaging in the long run.
I'm sure it would be if we were living in the environment our bodies evolved to function in correctly. Whether it is a lesser evil when they natural behaviour of humans in an unnatural environment leads them to do things which will damage them is another question.I am taking mounjaro. I have gone from 19 stone 4 to 18 stone since May 4th. This averages 3lb weekly loss. In the past I have done a VLCD and lost a lot of weight but this is much much more enjoyable. I feel
1) Much more positive
2) No desire to drink or eat badly
3) Seek clean eating
4) Exercising much more than ever
5) Actual hope of being a healthy weight
I did a lot of research before taking it. I feel confident the benefits of weight loss outweigh the side effects (that for me are very minimal) and the cost! (motivator in itself!)
Call me lazy, tell me to eat less, move more, whatever you wanna say, but for those of us who struggle being slim and healthy naturally, this really has been a godsend.
1) Much more positive
2) No desire to drink or eat badly
3) Seek clean eating
4) Exercising much more than ever
5) Actual hope of being a healthy weight
I did a lot of research before taking it. I feel confident the benefits of weight loss outweigh the side effects (that for me are very minimal) and the cost! (motivator in itself!)
Call me lazy, tell me to eat less, move more, whatever you wanna say, but for those of us who struggle being slim and healthy naturally, this really has been a godsend.
nuyorican said:
Thanks for your input 
I'm glad you're doing well. It's true that weight gain can be a vicious circle. I know that when I'm carrying too much weight, it makes running harder etc.
Can I ask, when you say 'no desire to eat or drink badly'. Does that mean booze? Or are you just talking generally, like pop etc
The booze! I have zero desire to drink at all. Its quite strange!I'm glad you're doing well. It's true that weight gain can be a vicious circle. I know that when I'm carrying too much weight, it makes running harder etc.
Can I ask, when you say 'no desire to eat or drink badly'. Does that mean booze? Or are you just talking generally, like pop etc
I’ve lost some weight since Christmas via fasting mainly.
The comments about piling weight back on apply only if you revert back to existing eating patterns. The Wegovy trials showed that around 70% from memory did put the weight back on after cessation and looking into the drug, they recommend a “maintenance dose” (at £200 per month…) to keep the weight off.
Nothing wrong with that but I would prefer if I went down that route to re-wire the brain while on it to cleaner eating / smaller portions / less alcohol etc and not create a short cut / dependency. You can be skinny outside but riddled with inter organ fat, I’d just like to be healthy and eat as sustainably as possible!
My main concern regards the drug would be the slowing down of food being processed through the body (leading to feeling fuller for longer) and the long term affect of this.
But balanced against being obese (with absolute known consequences) if used correctly, that’s what needs weighing up.
The percentage of those regaining weight seems to be similar to those that undergo weight watcher programs, so the ultimate goal ought to be learning new techniques and ways of eating that are conducive to getting the weight off / keeping it off (and not a quick fix) that you can live with forever.
One thing I have noted during my own weight loss these past 6 months - the world is geared up to get as much high calorie food down your throat as possible from the minute you wake to the moment you go to bed!
Sympathise with the poster regarding alcohol / wine earlier, I love beer and wine and while not giving them up permanently, I have paused intake for a few months now.
Still meet friends at the pub but just drink coke or water.
The easiest calories to shed I’ve found myself are the ones I don’t take on board in the first place.
Also be prepared for week long plateaus where you do all the right things and nothing moves. Following these the weight loss accelerates again and you get back on track.
The comments about piling weight back on apply only if you revert back to existing eating patterns. The Wegovy trials showed that around 70% from memory did put the weight back on after cessation and looking into the drug, they recommend a “maintenance dose” (at £200 per month…) to keep the weight off.
Nothing wrong with that but I would prefer if I went down that route to re-wire the brain while on it to cleaner eating / smaller portions / less alcohol etc and not create a short cut / dependency. You can be skinny outside but riddled with inter organ fat, I’d just like to be healthy and eat as sustainably as possible!
My main concern regards the drug would be the slowing down of food being processed through the body (leading to feeling fuller for longer) and the long term affect of this.
But balanced against being obese (with absolute known consequences) if used correctly, that’s what needs weighing up.
The percentage of those regaining weight seems to be similar to those that undergo weight watcher programs, so the ultimate goal ought to be learning new techniques and ways of eating that are conducive to getting the weight off / keeping it off (and not a quick fix) that you can live with forever.
One thing I have noted during my own weight loss these past 6 months - the world is geared up to get as much high calorie food down your throat as possible from the minute you wake to the moment you go to bed!
Sympathise with the poster regarding alcohol / wine earlier, I love beer and wine and while not giving them up permanently, I have paused intake for a few months now.
Still meet friends at the pub but just drink coke or water.
The easiest calories to shed I’ve found myself are the ones I don’t take on board in the first place.
Also be prepared for week long plateaus where you do all the right things and nothing moves. Following these the weight loss accelerates again and you get back on track.
Re the eat less move more mantra that gets trotted out willy nilly, I heard a great quote from Stan Efferding on a recent podcast.
He described it as "truthful, but not useful". Meaning that it’s easy to do more exercise and starve yourself, you’ll defo lose weight, but the trouble is that a year later you’ve prob relapsed because you can’t keep it up. Tim Spector mentioned in his book that studies have shown that people getting a fitbit are heavier a year later. Exercise makes you hungrier, it’s that simple. Losing weight is all about satiety, which UPFs don’t provide.
But if you start eating the right foods that provide satiety you can lose weight while doing no exercise (if that’s what you want to do).
He described it as "truthful, but not useful". Meaning that it’s easy to do more exercise and starve yourself, you’ll defo lose weight, but the trouble is that a year later you’ve prob relapsed because you can’t keep it up. Tim Spector mentioned in his book that studies have shown that people getting a fitbit are heavier a year later. Exercise makes you hungrier, it’s that simple. Losing weight is all about satiety, which UPFs don’t provide.
But if you start eating the right foods that provide satiety you can lose weight while doing no exercise (if that’s what you want to do).
Be careful what you wish for…
I suffer with a pancreatic condition called Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI) and it’s a really difficult condition to manage and live with.
I’m a member of a couple of FB forums for this condition and we’re noticing that there is a marked increase of new members who’ve been recently diagnosed with EPI (mostly US residents) who’ve been users of Wegovy and all its variants.
They were not EPI sufferers before using this drug and there is now strong suspicion that you have a risk of developing EPI if you are a user of these appetite suppressant drugs.
I suffer with a pancreatic condition called Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI) and it’s a really difficult condition to manage and live with.
I’m a member of a couple of FB forums for this condition and we’re noticing that there is a marked increase of new members who’ve been recently diagnosed with EPI (mostly US residents) who’ve been users of Wegovy and all its variants.
They were not EPI sufferers before using this drug and there is now strong suspicion that you have a risk of developing EPI if you are a user of these appetite suppressant drugs.
Don Roque said:
Mr Pointy said:
It perfectly obvious that attitude just doesn't work for most people - Wegovy & the like really are a game changer.
For the lazy and the weak-willed, in the short term. Maybe ask yourself why better men with stronger wills are in better shape than you before you srart taking these dodgy drugs - just a thought. I'm relatively slim due to diet and exercise, but since I was young I have always had to work hard at it. Some don't and some find it harder than I do. If a jab helps those who struggle that's fine, if it isn't dangerous.
thebraketester said:
Mr Pointy said:
Don Roque said:
Just eat less and exercise more. You can always push yourself harder and cut the flab.
It perfectly obvious that attitude just doesn't work for most people - Wegovy & the like really are a game changer.I take the monjouro injections. They are a game changer. Your appetite disappears not just for food but also for alcohol in my case.
No more snacks or a cheeks 4 pints on a night. You think about a food then your mind just says no. Amazing stuff.
But to you I’m just lazy. I would love to meet you in real life. You’re a judgey arse. You would not ever call me lazy to my face.
gangzoom said:
I'm genuinely suprised demand for GPL1 agnosits in the UK seem to be so low.
Demand is high. Stock is low. This is to the extent patients who need these meds for diabetes were unable to get them.They were given a licence for use on the NHS (2 years, via specialist clinic) however when we ref'd patients to the clinic the answer was basically "sorry mate, no stock, try again in Jan 2024". Jan 2024 we write back again and they said "sorry mate, it's only for people awaiting surgery for organ transplants or cancer".
It is available privately (Boots, Lloyds Pharmacy etc), but is expensive £200-250/month making it prohibitively expensive for many.
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