Wegovy Anti-chubster injection-pen things
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It should be used as part of a group of weapons to fight it,
i bet theyll still be a considerable amount of people that will take it and expect it to do the work whilst they carry on as they are,
The nhs need to crack on with dishing it out to save themsevles alot of long term pain, and i might add that while im no conspiracy theorist they'll be a lot of supermakets that wont be best pleased,
imagine if 5% of the shopping public are on it,
i bet theyll still be a considerable amount of people that will take it and expect it to do the work whilst they carry on as they are,
The nhs need to crack on with dishing it out to save themsevles alot of long term pain, and i might add that while im no conspiracy theorist they'll be a lot of supermakets that wont be best pleased,
imagine if 5% of the shopping public are on it,
Edited by dirky dirk on Thursday 5th December 13:13
dirky dirk said:
it should be used as part of a grouyp of weapons to fight it,
i bet theyll still be a considerable amount of people that will take it and expect it to do the work whilst they carry on as they are,
the nhs need to crack on with dishing it out to save themsevles alot of long term pain, and i mmight add that while im no conspiracy theorist theyll be a lot of supermakets that wont be best pleased,
imagine how much less someoones shiopping bill will be
Its not going to be quick. Currently there are very little proper weight management services able to cope with any influx of 1000s of patients. The announcement comes with a 12 year plan (with best practice established within 3 years) so this will certainly benefit patients already on the weight management pathway but will take longer for those who have not been referred yet. i bet theyll still be a considerable amount of people that will take it and expect it to do the work whilst they carry on as they are,
the nhs need to crack on with dishing it out to save themsevles alot of long term pain, and i mmight add that while im no conspiracy theorist theyll be a lot of supermakets that wont be best pleased,
imagine how much less someoones shiopping bill will be
There is a caveat within the NICE announcement which covers additional measures a patient must undertake
"Tirzepatide is recommended as an option for managing overweight and obesity, alongside a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity, in adults, only if they have:
• an initial body mass index (BMI) of at least 35 kg/m2 and
• at least 1 weight-related comorbidity"
TBF a reduced calorie diet is not difficult to achieve when you struggle to manage a few bites of a meal.
I suspect that the cost to the NHS for this is less than the cost to treat obesity related conditions so wouldn't be against cutting out some of the steps needed to actually receive it as a treatment. It will realistically take years for anyone to be prescribed it by going via weight management clinics and trying less effective treatments first.
It should of course be supervised but I see no reason for a GP not to prescribe to anyone meeting the conditions if they want it.
I suspect that the cost to the NHS for this is less than the cost to treat obesity related conditions so wouldn't be against cutting out some of the steps needed to actually receive it as a treatment. It will realistically take years for anyone to be prescribed it by going via weight management clinics and trying less effective treatments first.
It should of course be supervised but I see no reason for a GP not to prescribe to anyone meeting the conditions if they want it.
AB said:
All this talk at the moment is only acting as free advertising for those charging for it. They must be rubbing their hands together.
Worth every penny (which has to be a first, when said about a drug company). The only worry for me is supply. I’m on it now and I want to get off it on my terms, not because someone b
ksed up the supplyBobSaunders said:
Have signed up today through a well known online pharmacy.
I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
Turned up today. Havent had the time or the balls to open up the package yet. Very excited, but also really scared of the needle.I am a multi ironman 70.3 and 140.6 athlete. Multi-endurance ultra cyclist. I am currently training for a 100km ultra run next year. I am what people refer to as mentally strong willed and resillient. I can run a half marathon or marathon right now without trepidation. Exercise makes me happy, it is my stress relief.
I am over 15 stone, i have depression, i commute long distances, i have a highly stressful job, i work long hours, i have high blood pressure, i am at risk of heart attack (genetic), i have asthama, and i have two young children and a wife who has a successful career. I am 42.
My diet and alchol consumption is horrendous, all driven through depression, stress, and lack of avaliable time. The more i train the more i eat, the more stress i take on the more i eat and drink for comfort, the more compressed i am for time i reach for processed food . The heavier i get the less i exercise or struggle to exercise, the heavier and unhealthier i get the more my depression is triggered which then creates food binges - all of this pushes my blood pressure up and risk of heart attack up.
I am 43 in the next week. I have taken a decision today to make a change in my life by accepting that i need help.
Let's see what happens.
Also thinking if i start, am i going to ruin xmas dinner when i only have four bites of a turkey.
BobSaunders said:
Turned up today. Havent had the time or the balls to open up the package yet. Very excited, but also really scared of the needle.
Also thinking if i start, am i going to ruin xmas dinner when i only have four bites of a turkey.
It’s nowhere near as bad as you think (the needle). You barely feel anything. Also, if you start now, seven days between jabs mean the dose closest to xmas will be 26th, so suppression should be least on 25thAlso thinking if i start, am i going to ruin xmas dinner when i only have four bites of a turkey.
StoutBench said:
Anyone found it's reduced the want to drink alcohol?
I haven't touched a drop since I started. Part of that is because it feels pointless trying to lose weight while drinking thousands of calories of beer but I haven't missed it at all.I've never been a big drinker anyway or had issues stopping. Maybe 3-4 beers on a Saturday night is about as crazy as it gets so your mileage may vary
pavarotti1980 said:
Frank Flowers said:
Its available already apparently - but restricted use for now (presumably supply issues?). It seems to be one tablet a day. I would imagine thats when there will be a big cost drop too.
Oral semaglutide is available but only has a license for uncontrolled type 2 diabetes. Nothing related to supply (as yet)Frank Flowers said:
NHS roll out of Mounjaro, albeit over a very long time window (but hopefully that will improve)
The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) final draft guidance on Mounjaro has recommended it starts being given from March, alongside advice on diet and exercise.
It will be offered to people with a body mass index (BMI) of more than 35 and at least one obesity-related health problem - potentially 3.4 million people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y5zl99vro
Interesting to see whereabouts funding for the service and drug will sit, as this will determine how the roll out goes. There is a lot of arguments and complications in the background around the commissioning of the service and funding stream for the drug (still lingering from the Wegovy approval earlier in the year). If it is expected to be funded from existing ICS and/or secondary care budgets and block contracts then the roll out will be slow.The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) final draft guidance on Mounjaro has recommended it starts being given from March, alongside advice on diet and exercise.
It will be offered to people with a body mass index (BMI) of more than 35 and at least one obesity-related health problem - potentially 3.4 million people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y5zl99vro
There is a period of consultation which expires on 23rd December and it will be 90 days from that date before the first supplies can be given if already in a weight management service or 180 days for new patients with high clinical priority
First few posts on page 1 were enough for me, eat less move being a particular highlight. Went straight to the last page and saw that.
Edited by DaveGrohl on Friday 6th December 00:39
AB said:
I imagine a lot of it comes down to the will power you didn't know you had? If it was costing £200 a month then you certainly wouldn't want to be pissing that away by eating, I know for me I'd be looking at the cake and wondering how much money I was wasting by eating it.
The easiest way you can test that assumption is to see whether it works as well for those who pay for it as those who get it on the NHS. However, I think your assumption is very wrong. It’s got little to do with willpower for some and is a very unequal struggle for others. I’ve met some very slim people with fk all willpower and some very overweight people with iron self-disciplinemattyn1 said:
Certainly a concern of mine - previously I would snack if I was bored, if I was hungry, or just habit (late night cheese & biscuits for instance) - and I won't get started on the booze quantities. Spending the money (let's face it the jabs are not cheap), achieving the results, feeling a million times better about myself AND most importantly adapting/changing lifestyle (more exercise, better diet, less snacking and adopting a "I wont get so stressed" attitude to work) will hopefully lead to that new mindset being sustainable when the jabs stop. Out of interest, when I got petrol last night, i treated myself with a Bounty - and felt awful after (almost like cheating) - am quite content with feeling bad and do not want to overcome that.
I'm all for freedom of choice, but they're some very clever people manipulating us into buying crap foods all the time, and this is one example, if the petrol station had no chocolate, or it wasn't staring you in the face when waiting to pay, normalising junk food, then you probably wouldn't have driven to the corner store afterwards to buy a Bounty. This, along with these jabs need to be looked at, we can all buy a Bounty, or 10 if we want, but not have them thrown in your face every time you step foot in a commercial establishment.
Other chocolate bars are available
Electronicpants said:
mattyn1 said:
Certainly a concern of mine - previously I would snack if I was bored, if I was hungry, or just habit (late night cheese & biscuits for instance) - and I won't get started on the booze quantities. Spending the money (let's face it the jabs are not cheap), achieving the results, feeling a million times better about myself AND most importantly adapting/changing lifestyle (more exercise, better diet, less snacking and adopting a "I wont get so stressed" attitude to work) will hopefully lead to that new mindset being sustainable when the jabs stop. Out of interest, when I got petrol last night, i treated myself with a Bounty - and felt awful after (almost like cheating) - am quite content with feeling bad and do not want to overcome that.
I'm all for freedom of choice, but they're some very clever people manipulating us into buying crap foods all the time, and this is one example, if the petrol station had no chocolate, or it wasn't staring you in the face when waiting to pay, normalising junk food, then you probably wouldn't have driven to the corner store afterwards to buy a Bounty. This, along with these jabs need to be looked at, we can all buy a Bounty, or 10 if we want, but not have them thrown in your face every time you step foot in a commercial establishment.
Other chocolate bars are available
Anyway, bounty being coconut inside nullifies against the chocolate on the outside surely… so effectively diet chocolate!
Electronicpants said:
I'm all for freedom of choice, but they're some very clever people manipulating us into buying crap foods all the time, and this is one example, if the petrol station had no chocolate, or it wasn't staring you in the face when waiting to pay, normalising junk food, then you probably wouldn't have driven to the corner store afterwards to buy a Bounty.
This, along with these jabs need to be looked at, we can all buy a Bounty, or 10 if we want, but not have them thrown in your face every time you step foot in a commercial establishment.
Other chocolate bars are available
^ this This, along with these jabs need to be looked at, we can all buy a Bounty, or 10 if we want, but not have them thrown in your face every time you step foot in a commercial establishment.
Other chocolate bars are available
John87 said:
StoutBench said:
Anyone found it's reduced the want to drink alcohol?
I haven't touched a drop since I started. Part of that is because it feels pointless trying to lose weight while drinking thousands of calories of beer but I haven't missed it at all.I've never been a big drinker anyway or had issues stopping. Maybe 3-4 beers on a Saturday night is about as crazy as it gets so your mileage may vary
mattyn1 said:
Electronicpants said:
mattyn1 said:
Certainly a concern of mine - previously I would snack if I was bored, if I was hungry, or just habit (late night cheese & biscuits for instance) - and I won't get started on the booze quantities. Spending the money (let's face it the jabs are not cheap), achieving the results, feeling a million times better about myself AND most importantly adapting/changing lifestyle (more exercise, better diet, less snacking and adopting a "I wont get so stressed" attitude to work) will hopefully lead to that new mindset being sustainable when the jabs stop. Out of interest, when I got petrol last night, i treated myself with a Bounty - and felt awful after (almost like cheating) - am quite content with feeling bad and do not want to overcome that.
I'm all for freedom of choice, but they're some very clever people manipulating us into buying crap foods all the time, and this is one example, if the petrol station had no chocolate, or it wasn't staring you in the face when waiting to pay, normalising junk food, then you probably wouldn't have driven to the corner store afterwards to buy a Bounty. This, along with these jabs need to be looked at, we can all buy a Bounty, or 10 if we want, but not have them thrown in your face every time you step foot in a commercial establishment.
Other chocolate bars are available
Anyway, bounty being coconut inside nullifies against the chocolate on the outside surely… so effectively diet chocolate!
mattyn1 said:
If I am brutally honest I decided on a bounty before I went on the shop to pay, and was only at that garage because Asda was toppers and queuing.
Anyway, bounty being coconut inside nullifies against the chocolate on the outside surely… so effectively diet chocolate!
Officially one of your five a day.Anyway, bounty being coconut inside nullifies against the chocolate on the outside surely… so effectively diet chocolate!
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