Wegovy Anti-chubster injection-pen things

[Xerstead]

Mark-BMW-E30-318is said:

Autopilot said:

Chumley.mouse said:

This is the thing ,if people can change their habits to keep the weight down after they have used the drug ,then why cant they do it before ?

Because generally speaking, despite weight loss being the easiest thing ever to understand, the actual mechanics behind it are not as straight forwards.

A calorie deficit is of course the answer, burn more calories than you consume then you're in a deficit. If you overspend, you are of course in a surplus so you're putting weight on. Macros do of course matter. If you consume 100g of carbs, most of those are used to replenish glycogen and for every 1g of glycogen stored, your body stores 3 - 4g of water alongside it so if you consumed that 100g carbs, you're storing 300g - 400g of water and your 'weight' can fluctuate wildly day to day.

You may be losing bodyfat but water can significantly mask progress, people get despondent and give up hence yo-yo dieting. If you stick to it you can see the overall downward trend, physically see the results and stay motivated so you kind of need to see it through to trust the process.

Didn t realise that about my morning 50g of porridge each morning. Am I better off with some yogurt and honey?

Hunger pains are still giving me grief today. Been drinking water and keeping watch over the size of my meals in the hope I ll remain in deficit. Weirdly the toe caps I got on Monday appear to be making quite a difference. My understanding is that being the extremity, the majority of fluid can be retained there? I hope that s right anyway. One other benefit is they keep my feet hidden. They look grim at the best of times so anything is an improvement really.

Yes, but there is a limit to how much glycogen our liver/muscle tissue can store. Once full we need to burn it off before taking more in. Most people don't do enough exercise to significantly deplete it and normal dietary patterns keep it constantly topped up, so I don't see this being a significant factor for most people.
There are other mechanisms that trigger fluid retention as well, e.g. Increased insulin leading to sodium retention which retains more water. More volume of food passing through can hold more water as well. I've had 2kg changes in a day so Ive seen it happen. If tracking your weight don't worry about the odd anomalous reading, take the average over a few days for a more reliable result.

As for breakfast, try mixing it up and see. I've been having a 5/6 egg omelette with some cheese (or sliced ham) in a wrap for convenience. It's quite substantial, with over 40g protein, but it gets me through the day and a solid gym sesssion without thinking about food. I found higher protein meals, especially breakfast, excellent for shutting off those hunger signals and food cravings, for far longer, than any other food has. A few years ago I would grab a pack of sausage rolls, crisps or biscuits whenever I could but now my opportunistic snacking is virtually zero. Go for whole foods, and avoid the highly processed stuff marketed as '+protein'. Shakes have their use, but I don't find them as effective at supressing my appetite as proper food does.

[paralla]

I cycled 10km for the first time in years today. I enjoyed it and hope to do it at least a couple of times a week going forward.

My cycle GPS (and HR sensor) kept telling me that my heart rate was high, there’s plenty of room for improvement with my fitness.

[Blown2CV]

there is nothing wrong with carbs and it's fine for your weight to fluctuate day to day.

[Griffith4ever]

Chumley.mouse said:

This is the thing ,if people can change their habits to keep the weight down after they have used the drug ,then why cant they do it before ?

Some people just can t control the urge to eat/ drink too much and the drug will help them control that.

Some will keep the weight off same as people keep the weight off without the drug just by sensible eating/ exercise. But a lot wont and will just keep repeating the cycle of weight loss/gain. I suspect for the rest of their lives.

I don t know the effects in will have in the long term 20-30 years , maybe none ? Maybe more serious ? But i think long term use can t sensible.

Because when you truly accept you are overweight (ignoring it as it slowly creeps up on you, until someone jokingly calls you chubster) its damn hard work to lose it using normal dieting methods. I know. I did it years ago. 12kg in around 8 months. Careful calorie control and some jogging. It's HARD work, really hard, and easy to lose enthusiasm as the weekly weigh-ins are slow and not very rewarding at first. It's very, very easy to fall off the wagon. The only reason I managed was a recent divorce and the desire to get back on the dating game.

Wind forward 15 years, happy in a relationship, some bad habits, and I was back to 92Kg again. Took 15 years mind you! This time, Wegovy got me back in 4 months with zero effort TBH. It's easy, that's why.

Luckily, this time, rather than focus on calories (as that's what you have to do the natural way) I was free to notice my general eating habits - and that included too-large meals, and too much junk. I've adapted and I'm static weight wise. Lucky me.

If some people end up staying on it, so long a we dont discover serious long term side effects, they are better off thin in so many ways its hard to argue against it.

[Janluke]

biggbn said:

I think I'm done with the jabs. At near £300 every 6 or 7 weeks I'm thinking I'm gonna screw the nut. My 'fear' is that I struggle and have to restart at 2.5mg which would seem a waste of both time and money BUT the protocol has never shut me down so I'm used to being hungry all the time, so wonder of this potential loss of efficacy will aid me going cold turkey. The mirror and scales should be enough inspiration for me not to slip back. Thats 7.5 stone I've dropped in 12 months and I can see my muscles and, nearly, some abs.

Wish me luck....

Edited by biggbn on Wednesday 22 July 16:24

Good luck

We started around the same time and your considered posts and steady progress helped me.

I've been off for a while now and maintaining well but not lost anymore

[paralla]

biggbn said:

I think I'm done with the jabs. At near £300 every 6 or 7 weeks I'm thinking I'm gonna screw the nut. My 'fear' is that I struggle and have to restart at 2.5mg which would seem a waste of both time and money BUT the protocol has never shut me down so I'm used to being hungry all the time, so wonder of this potential loss of efficacy will aid me going cold turkey. The mirror and scales should be enough inspiration for me not to slip back. Thats 7.5 stone I've dropped in 12 months and I can see my muscles and, nearly, some abs.

Wish me luck....

Edited by biggbn on Wednesday 22 July 16:24

Good luck. I stopped when the price increased, got fat and started up again. They let me start on 5mg.

[Mr Roper]

biggbn said:

I think I'm done with the jabs. At near £300 every 6 or 7 weeks I'm thinking I'm gonna screw the nut. My 'fear' is that I struggle and have to restart at 2.5mg which would seem a waste of both time and money BUT the protocol has never shut me down so I'm used to being hungry all the time, so wonder of this potential loss of efficacy will aid me going cold turkey. The mirror and scales should be enough inspiration for me not to slip back. Thats 7.5 stone I've dropped in 12 months and I can see my muscles and, nearly, some abs.

Wish me luck....

Edited by biggbn on Wednesday 22 July 16:24

Hey Big man,

7.5st...!..And some abs coming into play? Nice work fella.

Only one way to find out, so may as well get on with it. Plus £300 pays for a lot fuel in that big 'ol barge you bought.

It's been over 15 months since I came off MJ cold turkey. Yeah, there's been some fluctuations,...Planned or otherwise but it's never got out of hand, fluctuating between 184lb - 192lb over the last 12 months depending on what I'm trying to achieve.
Right now I'm coming to the end of the leanest cut to date 180.9lb (12.9 stone / 82kg) and more muscular than ever.

If I can do it, you can do it.

Just watch out for adding too much food to quick...Your insulin sensitivity is 100% primed to handle more food for muscle building (or maintaining if that's your plan) but it also means a greater risk of rapid fat gain. So go steady, add more cals slowly and keep an eye on the waist measurment.

Goal reached...Now phase 2. Good luck mate.

[TrevorHill]

sc_brown said:

It's a massive psychological shift and any weight loss - medicated or otherwise - is so rarely a linear process.

Keep at it everyone - do what you need to do and what's best for you!

This for me is one of the best contributions to this thread. There is a massive psychological aspect, not just to weight loss but to so many health related issues.

I know people who have had bariatric surgery and while they had quick success they have all put it back on and more. Only one of the people who I’m aware of having surgery has stayed near his target weight loss.
We need to train our minds as well as our bodies.

I also believe that nutrition needs to be taught in schools from late primary school right through secondary education. It’s a life long process. Apologies for going off on a bit of a tangent here but I’m a firm believer that the mental aspect of weight loss and food is very important.

[Blown2CV]

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

[Mr Roper]

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

Then stay on it. One less thing to worry about.

[TrevorHill]

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

As you lose weight your confidence usually comes back. One day you’ll catch a glimpse of yourself walking past a shop window or see a recent photo and think to yourself I’m getting there. If possible you and by you I mean anyone who has these issues and gets to read this thread etc, that’s when you start thinking about getting help for the mental aspect. Everyone has their own issues, reasons and excuses for over indulging.

I have degenerative brain condition, it took a few years to get a proper diagnosis. It’s one of the reasons why I’ve ended up 30kg above where I need to be. I was doing well until last Christmas when I decided to take a break so I could enjoy good food and a few drinks over Christmas. It was a big mistake. I only got back on track five weeks ago.
There is no shame or stigma attached to seeing a mental health professional these days. You would be surprised how many people need them. I just tend to break most of them because I can be a bit, shall we say obstinate.

[Blown2CV]

Mr Roper said:

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

Then stay on it. One less thing to worry about.

i mean that's what i personally am doing, but i'd prefer to have a way to fix the underlying cause if possible!

I saw something on social media recently about psychiatrists being asked how many patients they had cured in their careers, and awkwardly being unable to answer as the real figure is zero...

[Blown2CV]

TrevorHill said:

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

As you lose weight your confidence usually comes back. One day you ll catch a glimpse of yourself walking past a shop window or see a recent photo and think to yourself I m getting there. If possible you and by you I mean anyone who has these issues and gets to read this thread etc, that s when you start thinking about getting help for the mental aspect. Everyone has their own issues, reasons and excuses for over indulging.

I have degenerative brain condition, it took a few years to get a proper diagnosis. It s one of the reasons why I ve ended up 30kg above where I need to be. I was doing well until last Christmas when I decided to take a break so I could enjoy good food and a few drinks over Christmas. It was a big mistake. I only got back on track five weeks ago.
There is no shame or stigma attached to seeing a mental health professional these days. You would be surprised how many people need them. I just tend to break most of them because I can be a bit, shall we say obstinate.

it's a bit more complex than fat = sad / thin = happy though, again the point about weight often being a symptom of so much other cumulative stuff in a person's life.

[anonymous-user]

Mr Roper said:

biggbn said:

I think I'm done with the jabs. At near £300 every 6 or 7 weeks I'm thinking I'm gonna screw the nut. My 'fear' is that I struggle and have to restart at 2.5mg which would seem a waste of both time and money BUT the protocol has never shut me down so I'm used to being hungry all the time, so wonder of this potential loss of efficacy will aid me going cold turkey. The mirror and scales should be enough inspiration for me not to slip back. Thats 7.5 stone I've dropped in 12 months and I can see my muscles and, nearly, some abs.

Wish me luck....

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 July 16:24

Hey Big man,

7.5st...!..And some abs coming into play? Nice work fella.

Only one way to find out, so may as well get on with it. Plus £300 pays for a lot fuel in that big 'ol barge you bought.

It's been over 15 months since I came off MJ cold turkey. Yeah, there's been some fluctuations,...Planned or otherwise but it's never got out of hand, fluctuating between 184lb - 192lb over the last 12 months depending on what I'm trying to achieve.
Right now I'm coming to the end of the leanest cut to date 180.9lb (12.9 stone / 82kg) and more muscular than ever.

If I can do it, you can do it.

Just watch out for adding too much food to quick...Your insulin sensitivity is 100% primed to handle more food for muscle building (or maintaining if that's your plan) but it also means a greater risk of rapid fat gain. So go steady, add more cals slowly and keep an eye on the waist measurment.

Goal reached...Now phase 2. Good luck mate.

I don't plan on changing diet much Mr R, happy enough with the energy I have and my weight so if its not broken, don't fix it. 44in waist to 34in so should manage to keep track of things getting tight. I'll continue my twice daily weigh ins as it may seem over the top but has taught me a lot a out my body, foods, water retention etc and will keep me honest. I'd still like to drop 4 pounds so 'diet' continues.

And yes, Karl Marx as the barge has been named; big, bluff charismatic German with lots of innovative ideas that will bankrupt you if not looked after very carefully, will benefit from a few tanks of fuel!! Loving the big limo albeit we are using it sparingly...

Take care fella...

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 July 13:05

[anonymous-user]

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

I think this is a great point. I have experienced this in reverse!! Being the biggest, strongest man in most rooms since I was mid twenties gave me an unfortunate but relevant negative mindset. I was indestructible; I wasn't, and could beat anyone; I couldn't, but I needed that crutch. Although I am now 7 years away from the industry I was in, these thoughts, this mental crutch still lurked around in the back of my mind, and, to an extent, still do...but I've made my peace with it now, a massive, and difficult mental journey for me but I've got there and if I'm not exactly happy with a capital 'H', I am content and relaxed in who and what I have transformed into. Lost a whole heap of muscle and strength as well as fat but pushing 60 it was a philosophical choice and like so many difficult things we do for good reasons and with clear logic, it has been difficult but doable because of its strong foundation.

I think there is a lot of sense in what you say and physical weight loss is perhaps the 'easy' part as hard as that is, and there should be help out there for people to discuss their underlying issues and help them lay strong foundations for their new life choices

[TrevorHill]

Blown2CV said:

TrevorHill said:

Blown2CV said:

unfortunately the mindset, mental health issues, self esteem etc that made you fat doesn't magically all get fixed when you lose weight. I think this is the biggest issue people face even when experiencing weight loss success on the drugs. It doesn't tackle the underlying reasons you became fat, just the symptom.

As you lose weight your confidence usually comes back. One day you ll catch a glimpse of yourself walking past a shop window or see a recent photo and think to yourself I m getting there. If possible you and by you I mean anyone who has these issues and gets to read this thread etc, that s when you start thinking about getting help for the mental aspect. Everyone has their own issues, reasons and excuses for over indulging.

I have degenerative brain condition, it took a few years to get a proper diagnosis. It s one of the reasons why I ve ended up 30kg above where I need to be. I was doing well until last Christmas when I decided to take a break so I could enjoy good food and a few drinks over Christmas. It was a big mistake. I only got back on track five weeks ago.
There is no shame or stigma attached to seeing a mental health professional these days. You would be surprised how many people need them. I just tend to break most of them because I can be a bit, shall we say obstinate.

it's a bit more complex than fat = sad / thin = happy though, again the point about weight often being a symptom of so much other cumulative stuff in a person's life.

I’m not disagreeing with you, just speaking from my own perspective and seeing others fighting similar battles. It is a very complex issue and each and every case is different. I’m just trying to make a little bit of progress every day, but as we all know there will be setbacks.

This thread is a great example and a place where complete strangers are able to help others with their experiences and expertise.

[Autopilot]

Mark-BMW-E30-318is said:

Didn t realise that about my morning 50g of porridge each morning. Am I better off with some yogurt and honey?

It depends on your goals but just to emphasise that carbs are your primary fuel source during high intensity activity. Typically, total daily carbs matter most but if you're training or doing some kind of strenuous activity then timing does matter so would want between 30 & 50g an hour or so before training...ironically, your 50g of porridge (with 200ml of skimmed milk) would just about fit in that category, so no, there's nothing wrong with your breakfast as such but would depend a bit on what the rest of your day looks like.

A lot depends on your goals. My lifestyle is fairly extreme so always prioritise proteins first because as others have said, they tend to make you feel fuller for longer and I personally am on a fairly restrictive diet and consume most carbs around my training schedule. If I don't have enough carbs pre-workout, it's difficult to train at the right intensity.

[anonymous-user]

Autopilot said:

Mark-BMW-E30-318is said:

Didn t realise that about my morning 50g of porridge each morning. Am I better off with some yogurt and honey?

It depends on your goals but just to emphasise that carbs are your primary fuel source during high intensity activity. Typically, total daily carbs matter most but if you're training or doing some kind of strenuous activity then timing does matter so would want between 30 & 50g an hour or so before training...ironically, your 50g of porridge (with 200ml of skimmed milk) would just about fit in that category, so no, there's nothing wrong with your breakfast as such but would depend a bit on what the rest of your day looks like.

A lot depends on your goals. My lifestyle is fairly extreme so always prioritise proteins first because as others have said, they tend to make you feel fuller for longer and I personally am on a fairly restrictive diet and consume most carbs around my training schedule. If I don't have enough carbs pre-workout, it's difficult to train at the right intensity.

Never been able to train properly after eating, always trained 'empty' which I know is wrong, counter intuitive etc...but there ya go, we are all different.

[Mark-BMW-E30-318is]

I'm on crutches 24/7 so my mobility is limited. I do walk my dogs daily but I don't train. Meals are usually stuff like baked spud with tuna and/or beans. Or a casserole made from scratch will see me over 2 days. Usually have sweet potato and often have strawberries with yogurt. It's pretty basic stuff and I avoid processed stuff. That said, I've not eaten yet today but don't feel hungry. I know that's not a good thing.

Going to get my bandages done shortly and it's weigh in. The first since being off treatment totally. I'm pretty nervous about it.

[Danm1les]

Come to the end of my first pen, which I am sure there is a 5th jab of juice in?!

Had fairly good results so far and am keen to reorder, what is the best way to reorder? MedExpress have probably emailed and text me 20+ times, which is a bit tiring, offering £30 off. Is this the easiest way? When I ordered the first time as a new customer it was £50 off.