Wegovy Anti-chubster injection-pen things

[Pizzaeatingking]

Blown2CV said:

what do you mean when you say lazy with the jab?

Just lazy timings, I was doing it every Friday but I've done it as late as a Monday or Tuesday recently. Actually, I forgot yesterday so should probably do it now.

[Bingo Brian]

Mr Roper said:

As you're keeping an eye on calories; as in, eating up to a certain amount and being strict with it, then perhaps you're over estimating what you need to maintain weight or underestimating what you need to lose weight?

Maybe but unlikely as I never put on more than 6Lb a year before let alone 6Lb in 6 weeks when coming off Mounj and being very aware of the rebound effect and being careful.



Articles about coming of Mounj versus coming off a diet and putting on weight 4x faster align with my experience. And it is beyond disappointing. And i find it staggering that so little is known about this drug and the way pharmacists and doctors recommend very different approaches - taper/don't taper etc Min dose after 2 weeks off = 2,5mg v does suggested as 10mg after 6 weeks off etc. Is it really still that early days as I seem to be working it our for myself and am going to 10mg today as 4 and 7.5 do nothing going back on. Zilch.

[ask1ngforafriend]

Bingo Brian said:

Maybe but unlikely as I never put on more than 6Lb a year before let alone 6Lb in 6 weeks when coming off Mounj and being very aware of the rebound effect and being careful.



Articles about coming of Mounj versus coming off a diet and putting on weight 4x faster align with my experience. And it is beyond disappointing. And i find it staggering that so little is known about this drug and the way pharmacists and doctors recommend very different approaches - taper/don't taper etc Min dose after 2 weeks off = 2,5mg v does suggested as 10mg after 6 weeks off etc. Is it really still that early days as I seem to be working it our for myself and am going to 10mg today as 4 and 7.5 do nothing going back on. Zilch.

I've said it before, but they really are lifetime drugs, like a statin or blood pressure medication. Like statins, when the cost comes down or they are routinely prescribed by the NHS, this won’t be such an issue.

At the moment there are a lot of people who feel trapped after being introduced to these miracle drugs, because the cost makes anything beyond short- or medium-term use difficult for many but it's the only thing that keeps the weight off long term. The price increases last year were painful, but the claims by some medical professionals that they are a short-term fix are particularly cutting as it leads to false hope.

There are examples of people who spend a year on them and then keep the weight off but this won't be the experience for many/most people.

[Bingo Brian]

Balanced mate.

And yes the notion of paying £4k pa is hugely onerous. Then add the clear unknowns about the drug when taking 15mg forever when guidance and knowledge on how to come off/maintain/what happens to your metabolism afterwards etc are mixed and confusing and very off putting. Its messy - for me at least. And you know big US pharma see only the bottom line and shareholders...

I'm not on just a downer on it, I just think people should know things beyond the numbers on the scale. When researching I found its likely to reduce cancer risk etc - but it ant all roses!

[MOBB]

My experience recently has been interesting - I was on 2.5mg Mounjaro for about 10 weeks and decided to move up as the effect was wearing off.

I had some 2.5mg pens still so just did 2x jabs until they ran out, 2 weeks ago I moved to proper 5mg pens. During this couple of weeks I didnt feel any different to 2.5mg.

Since moving to the 5mg pens, the weight loss and side effects have really ramped up again, I've also upped my cardio game so have lost 5lbs in 2 weeks and have the minor stomach issues back, which I can bear.

Current plan is to carry on 5mg until the end of April where I should be close to my target. Then go it alone (gulp).

1st December - 16 stone 4lbs, parkrun time 38 minutes
7th March - 14 stone 6lbs, parkrun time 25.57 minutes

Target short term end of April - 13 stone 7lbs
Long term target - 12 stone 7lbs

[MOBB]

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

[otolith]

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

Sceptical that many people are cutting their food bill by £300 per head a month - that's more than the average person spends on food in total.

https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/average-uk-household-...

[Blown2CV]

Bingo Brian said:

Balanced mate.

And yes the notion of paying £4k pa is hugely onerous. Then add the clear unknowns about the drug when taking 15mg forever when guidance and knowledge on how to come off/maintain/what happens to your metabolism afterwards etc are mixed and confusing and very off putting. Its messy - for me at least. And you know big US pharma see only the bottom line and shareholders...

I'm not on just a downer on it, I just think people should know things beyond the numbers on the scale. When researching I found its likely to reduce cancer risk etc - but it ant all roses!

do you actually take it or not

[Blown2CV]

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

depends entirely on whether that is how you got fat or not i guess.

[ben5575]

I see that MJ are redesigning their pens to remove the 5th dose. May be old news but I hadn't spotted it in this thread.

https://monj.co.uk/mounjaro-kwikpen-update-april-2...

[Bingo Brian]

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

It significantly reduced my wine consumption when it was working well during the first 9 month period as I titrated up which was psychologically very interesting as i love great red wine - one of the big pleasures of life, dismissed! 10 saved (but usually shared) wine bottles a month is £100 so I see what you are driving at. Haven't had a takeaway in 18 months but that's just a general calorie avoidance thing. I think when it was £150 I did think I was breaking even - no way at £300 though.

[ambuletz]

they still need to have enough in there for priming the needles. thankfully I've never had a needlle not work. But there have been maybe 2-3 times in the past 10 months where I've had to do the 2-click priming of the pen twice

[MOBB]

Bingo Brian said:

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

It significantly reduced my wine consumption when it was working well during the first 9 month period as I titrated up which was psychologically very interesting as i love great red wine - one of the big pleasures of life, dismissed! 10 saved (but usually shared) wine bottles a month is £100 so I see what you are driving at. Haven't had a takeaway in 18 months but that's just a general calorie avoidance thing. I think when it was £150 I did think I was breaking even - no way at £300 though.

Yeah I think I was off as I currently pay about £180 per month for 5mg........................................

[Truckosaurus]

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeaways and other crap?

I suspect it would for some people, but for others you might be spending more as you are buying better quality food (eg. more fresh meat or fruit and veg) rather than cheapo processed food.

[mart 63]

MOBB said:

Bingo Brian said:

MOBB said:

I'm pretty sure the cost of this drug is paid for in lack of takeways and other crap?

It significantly reduced my wine consumption when it was working well during the first 9 month period as I titrated up which was psychologically very interesting as i love great red wine - one of the big pleasures of life, dismissed! 10 saved (but usually shared) wine bottles a month is £100 so I see what you are driving at. Haven't had a takeaway in 18 months but that's just a general calorie avoidance thing. I think when it was £150 I did think I was breaking even - no way at £300 though.

Yeah I think I was off as I currently pay about £180 per month for 5mg........................................

I paid €280 for a 5mg here in Spain when I was on it. I still have an unused 5mg pen in the fridge.

[andyxxx]

While taking the drug (2.5mg) me and the Mrs certainly covered the cost in the savings made through dining out less, drinking less and weekly food shop.
Not presently jabbing and we continue to save a considerable amount as we still monitor portion size and have taught ourselves to consume less alcohol.

Also, in our case we have put no weight back on since the last jab about 7 weeks ago.

[Gareth79]

I was reminded of this thread on Sunday. I was at a carvery with my parents, and a guy at the next table, after finishing his (modest) meal, pulled up his shirt to expose his gut and injected with a Mounjaro pen

[mart 63]

Gareth79 said:

I was reminded of this thread on Sunday. I was at a carvery with my parents, and a guy at the next table, after finishing his (modest) meal, pulled up his shirt to expose his gut and injected with a Mounjaro pen

That should be on the council thread

[audikarma]

So has been a month since I stopped the jab and here are the results so far

On the jab I lost 15% of my total body weight over about 6 months.

Of that weight I ve lost, I ve put back on about 25% of it over a month since stopping the jab. (But that would only be 3% of my body weight at the start)

I ll admit it is disappointing to not see the scales go down every week so easily like it used to. And as I ve mentioned before I m just so incredibly hungry all the time now. Especially in the mornings, ravenous.

Trying to focus on making sure I get plenty of protein, and make a big volume of my meals veg to help fill me up, along with tracking calories. But still, I m always hungry and the food noise and desire to eat never ends.

Im not a big or tall guy, so my maintenance calories is quite low which basically means I m back to doing what I was doing before MJ, which is being on a constant diet all the time.
Which is both boring, and inevitably I will get bored of.

Summer brings more opportunity to be active, so that will help but I m thinking longingly of the jab, and how easy it made my life we ve got two pens in the fridge and the missus still has an active prescription so tempting to go back.

Will try a couple more months and see where I m at.

Edited by audikarma on Tuesday 10th March 13:57

[Blown2CV]

of the people that have stopped MJ and then put weight on, did you stop tracking calories or are you still eating your maintenance calorie sort of level?