how fast can you row 2000 metres ?

how fast can you row 2000 metres ?

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LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Frimley111R said:
Interesting, not seen this before. Surely the resistance has to be the same or does it compensate somehow?
The way I understand it, the 'resistance level' can be compared lifting weights. Lets say your 2km row is the same as lifting 1000kg, you could either do 100 reps of 10kg (level 1), or 10 reps of 100kg (level 10). You have done the same amount of 'work' (i.e. lifted 1000kg or rowed 2km) but will have had two very different workouts.

Essentially, this means two rowers can compete directly at opposite ends of the resistance spectrum.

Frimley111R

15,537 posts

233 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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LimaDelta said:
Frimley111R said:
Interesting, not seen this before. Surely the resistance has to be the same or does it compensate somehow?
The way I understand it, the 'resistance level' can be compared lifting weights. Lets say your 2km row is the same as lifting 1000kg, you could either do 100 reps of 10kg (level 1), or 10 reps of 100kg (level 10). You have done the same amount of 'work' (i.e. lifted 1000kg or rowed 2km) but will have had two very different workouts.

Essentially, this means two rowers can compete directly at opposite ends of the resistance spectrum.
Ok, so 'How fast can you do this?' is a bit like saying 'How fast can you run 100m' if someone is running uphill, someone downhill and someone on the flat, i.e. you can't compare them unless the effort required is the same.

So

26,271 posts

221 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Frimley111R said:
LimaDelta said:
Frimley111R said:
Interesting, not seen this before. Surely the resistance has to be the same or does it compensate somehow?
The way I understand it, the 'resistance level' can be compared lifting weights. Lets say your 2km row is the same as lifting 1000kg, you could either do 100 reps of 10kg (level 1), or 10 reps of 100kg (level 10). You have done the same amount of 'work' (i.e. lifted 1000kg or rowed 2km) but will have had two very different workouts.

Essentially, this means two rowers can compete directly at opposite ends of the resistance spectrum.
Ok, so 'How fast can you do this?' is a bit like saying 'How fast can you run 100m' if someone is running uphill, someone downhill and someone on the flat, i.e. you can't compare them unless the effort required is the same.
No, it's not.

The difference between 1 and 10 on the fan setting is a bit like having two people on bikes racing over a given distance, one in bottom gear, the other in top gear. One will have to pedal like fury after the first few meters. The other will struggle to get going, but once moving will need to pedal less frantically, but press harder on the pedals.


IrateNinja

767 posts

177 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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So said:
I've been working on stroke power, but I am experiencing heel lift if I try to get my shins vertical. I know my calves / ankles are tight but any amount of stretching them doesn't seem to help.

Do any experienced rowers have any tips on this point please?
You should be getting your heels off the footplate at the front of the slide, just don't over-compress to take your shins past vertical or let your upper body collapse forward..

On the drive, focus on getting the legs down before rocking the body over at the hips and finishing with the arms. Don't engage the arms too early, make the leg muscles work for the power. Keep your toes pointing down at the finish. Aim for a good ratio of recovery on the slide compared to the drive.

Depending on how you spend your days (i.e. if your sat at a desk all day), consider doing some hip flexor stretches.

So

26,271 posts

221 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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IrateNinja said:
So said:
I've been working on stroke power, but I am experiencing heel lift if I try to get my shins vertical. I know my calves / ankles are tight but any amount of stretching them doesn't seem to help.

Do any experienced rowers have any tips on this point please?
You should be getting your heels off the footplate at the front of the slide, just don't over-compress to take your shins past vertical or let your upper body collapse forward..

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I was basing my thinking largely on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRHEd7W5qVU

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Frimley111R said:
LimaDelta said:
Frimley111R said:
Interesting, not seen this before. Surely the resistance has to be the same or does it compensate somehow?
The way I understand it, the 'resistance level' can be compared lifting weights. Lets say your 2km row is the same as lifting 1000kg, you could either do 100 reps of 10kg (level 1), or 10 reps of 100kg (level 10). You have done the same amount of 'work' (i.e. lifted 1000kg or rowed 2km) but will have had two very different workouts.

Essentially, this means two rowers can compete directly at opposite ends of the resistance spectrum.
Ok, so 'How fast can you do this?' is a bit like saying 'How fast can you run 100m' if someone is running uphill, someone downhill and someone on the flat, i.e. you can't compare them unless the effort required is the same.
The effort required is the same, in my example both have lifted 1000kg and both have done the same amount of calorific work, just presented differently.

Try it on your rower - say 1000m level 1 and 1000m level 10. You should take about the same amount of time if you put in the same effort, the difference is the number of strokes will be significantly higher on level 1, but they will be much 'lighter' strokes.

I know it seems counter intuitive, but Concept 2 don't care what level you use on the online rankings for a reason... it doesn't matter (as far as timings are concerned).

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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LimaDelta said:
Frimley111R said:
LimaDelta said:
Frimley111R said:
Interesting, not seen this before. Surely the resistance has to be the same or does it compensate somehow?
The way I understand it, the 'resistance level' can be compared lifting weights. Lets say your 2km row is the same as lifting 1000kg, you could either do 100 reps of 10kg (level 1), or 10 reps of 100kg (level 10). You have done the same amount of 'work' (i.e. lifted 1000kg or rowed 2km) but will have had two very different workouts.

Essentially, this means two rowers can compete directly at opposite ends of the resistance spectrum.
Ok, so 'How fast can you do this?' is a bit like saying 'How fast can you run 100m' if someone is running uphill, someone downhill and someone on the flat, i.e. you can't compare them unless the effort required is the same.
The effort required is the same, in my example both have lifted 1000kg and both have done the same amount of calorific work, just presented differently.

Try it on your rower - say 1000m level 1 and 1000m level 10. You should take about the same amount of time if you put in the same effort, the difference is the number of strokes will be significantly higher on level 1, but they will be much 'lighter' strokes.

I know it seems counter intuitive, but Concept 2 don't care what level you use on the online rankings for a reason... it doesn't matter (as far as timings are concerned).
I think that's a slight over simplification. You will waste a lot more energy pounding up down the slide on a low rate. Conversely, musclse may fatigue and become less efficient on a high drag.

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Wednesday 5th July 2017
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Derek Chevalier said:
I think that's a slight over simplification.
Agreed, but I found it a good way to get my head away from the 'resistance level' way of thinking. Of course they recommend rowing to drag factor which varies from machine to machine, hence the option to adjust the damper.

MacGee

2,513 posts

229 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Could be compared to running with short strides and therefore more paces compared to longer strides and fewer paces.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Saw an advert at my gym today for the technogym 'skillrow' - looks interesting but at £3250 I don't think they'll be selling any outside of gym chains.

Has anyone had a go on one yet?

https://www.technogym.com/gb/skillrow.html




clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Saw an advert at my gym today for the technogym 'skillrow' - looks interesting but at £3250 I don't think they'll be selling any outside of gym chains.

Has anyone had a go on one yet?

https://www.technogym.com/gb/skillrow.html



I've seen discussions on them; nobody that is serious about rowing seems to be taking them seriously. There are only two decent rowing machines on the market - the C2 models and the rowperfect range. All others are varying degrees of rubbish (special dislike is pointed at the water rower for inconsistent workout)

Anyway, did my 500m today. I'm way out of shape, legs are knackered, but it is a seasons best - 1:34.6. 5 seconds off my PB.

So

26,271 posts

221 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Saw an advert at my gym today for the technogym 'skillrow' - looks interesting but at £3250 I don't think they'll be selling any outside of gym chains.

Has anyone had a go on one yet?

https://www.technogym.com/gb/skillrow.html


No, at that price I presume they are silky smooth and last forever. There would have to be something about them for anyone to spend more than the £700 necessary to get a new Concept 2 model D.


MellowshipSlinky

14,673 posts

188 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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C2's also last forever!
My daughters rowing club are still using model C's but gradually replacing them.
They get a pounding day in, day out, 7 days a week and are still going strong.

So easy to repair if anything *does* go wrong...



Edited by MellowshipSlinky on Thursday 6th July 20:29

So

26,271 posts

221 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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MellowshipSlinky said:
They get a pounding day in, day out, 7 days a week and are still going strong.
Edited by MellowshipSlinky on Thursday 6th July 20:29
It occurs to me that, over the course of a year, the amount of energy wasted by people on ergs would keep a reasonable sized city in heat and light for a decade.

Perhaps Concept 2 could look into an armature instead of a fan and a lead plugged into the National Grid.

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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So said:
MellowshipSlinky said:
They get a pounding day in, day out, 7 days a week and are still going strong.
Edited by MellowshipSlinky on Thursday 6th July 20:29
It occurs to me that, over the course of a year, the amount of energy wasted by people on ergs would keep a reasonable sized city in heat and light for a decade.

Perhaps Concept 2 could look into an armature instead of a fan and a lead plugged into the National Grid.
IIRC the PM5 is partially powered by the fan; and in the case of the wattbike, it definitely actively charges the batteries.

Regards longevity of the ergs; one of the women from my old on-line club had bought a Model C that had been dragged around the world by the army, it had literally been in war zones. After a clean it worked perfectly.

My partner and I have Model Cs that we've done countless millions on, still working perfectly.

The Model D that we used to set a 24 hour british/world record easily handled 30 people (25 guys, 5 gals) rotating round in shifts over the 24 hours, we averaged 1:35 pace. They really can and do take a beating with minimal maintenance. I really doubt that these fancy ones would handle the pounding - proven by the state of most gym bikes and treadmills (which have a habit of falling apart).

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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In other news, I set a seasons best 1 minute this morning. How the heck did I manage to average 1:26.4 (347m) before 7:30am ..... I wasn't even awake!!

Tempted to try the 500m again, did it in 1:34.6 yesterday, I should now be well under 1:30.

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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Ouch.

Tried the 500m. 1:29.1. Can't ever complain with a PB, but I'll be hoping to knock a few seconds off by the end of the month.

Regiment

2,799 posts

158 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Gym competition this week to see who can row 2000m fastest.

I hardly ever row but managed 6:53.7 time which I was very happy with, think the last time I rowed was a great many years ago as I pretty much devoted all my training over the last good few years to distance running.

Row went fantastically well but I had an issue with pacing, did the first 500m in 1:38 and the last 500m in around 1:46-1:47. Rower was a Concept 2 on resistance 10.

Edited by Regiment on Tuesday 11th July 11:09

mondeoman

11,430 posts

265 months

Tuesday 11th July 2017
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Regiment said:
Gym competition this week to see who can row 2000m fastest.

I hardly ever row but managed 6:53.7 time which I was very happy with, think the last time I rowed was a great many years ago as I pretty much devoted all my training over the last good few years to distance running.

Row went fantastically well but I had an issue with pacing, did the first 500m in 1:38 and the last 500m in around 1:46-1:47. Rower was a Concept 2 on resistance 10.

Edited by Regiment on Tuesday 11th July 11:09
Good time!

So

26,271 posts

221 months

Wednesday 12th July 2017
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Regiment said:
Gym competition this week to see who can row 2000m fastest.

I hardly ever row but managed 6:53.7 time which I was very happy with, think the last time I rowed was a great many years ago as I pretty much devoted all my training over the last good few years to distance running.

Row went fantastically well but I had an issue with pacing, did the first 500m in 1:38 and the last 500m in around 1:46-1:47. Rower was a Concept 2 on resistance 10.

Edited by Regiment on Tuesday 11th July 11:09
That's a very good time, more so for someone who doesn't row. It bears testament to the fact that if you're properly fit, it is somewhat transferrable between disciplines.