How long till the £20k Evora?
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At one point every Evora at Murray's was going in and out the door as soon as they went up on the site, seems to have slowed down a lot now (understandable I suppose being winter) and a lot of their Evora stock has sat there long term. Yes, I do still track their website constantly, I'll be sticking another Lotus in the garage at some point. 
That silver one as advertised for £26K has infact been on sale for last 2 years but not with same seller. It started off with private seller at £31K then dropped £500-1000 every few weeks down to £28K. At this time the seller said for a limited time only then it would be traded in. Then a few days later it was being sold by London Sports Cars (or something similar) for £29K and then dropped to £28K but didn't sell. I think this was due to mileage maybe and price compared to what you could get for a grand or two more.
Then it turned up at Saxton where it was being sold for £28K and has dropped £500 at increments ever since.
I know this because when I was looking for my Evora, I contacted the PO and then London Sports cars back in the day. At the time it was the cheapest Evora then and I couldn't really afford one at the time whilst trying to keep my Esprit too.
As it happened, my circumstance changed for the better and I was able to buy one a year later, in the perfect colour for the right price.
I've had my Evora now for nearly a year and was offered virtually what I paid for it as a trade in. You can't say that about any other second hand car. So I don't mind if prices go down a bit but not too much!
Incidentally, I bought my Evora when it was 5 years old last year and the same with my Esprit V8, 5.5 years old (it was a Dec 99 car and I purchased it in June 05). I only paid £20K for my Esprit back then, so I can see where the other guy is coming from with the £20K price tag.
Regards,
David Walters
Then it turned up at Saxton where it was being sold for £28K and has dropped £500 at increments ever since.
I know this because when I was looking for my Evora, I contacted the PO and then London Sports cars back in the day. At the time it was the cheapest Evora then and I couldn't really afford one at the time whilst trying to keep my Esprit too.
As it happened, my circumstance changed for the better and I was able to buy one a year later, in the perfect colour for the right price.
I've had my Evora now for nearly a year and was offered virtually what I paid for it as a trade in. You can't say that about any other second hand car. So I don't mind if prices go down a bit but not too much!
Incidentally, I bought my Evora when it was 5 years old last year and the same with my Esprit V8, 5.5 years old (it was a Dec 99 car and I purchased it in June 05). I only paid £20K for my Esprit back then, so I can see where the other guy is coming from with the £20K price tag.
Regards,
David Walters
blueg33 said:
When I was looking a year ago, the cheapest cars were around £30k rising to £34 with all three packs. Mileage didnt make much difference. I track the prices, and there has been no real change over the last 12 months.
The £26k car advertised has been on the market for over a year, it does not have the Sport Pack IIRC.
I will probably be selling mine later this year with about 60k miles on it, (to get another one maybe an IPS do the Mrs will drive it) I suspect that the price will still be above £25-28k as mine has all 3 packs, barge boards, tubular exhaust, all niggles sorted, no leaks and a recent clutch.
The N/A cars do seem tpo have plateaued already at around £30k and I think it will only be high mileage and non Lotus dealer cars that go for much less. I think £20k is quite a long way off due to rareity.
The £26k car advertised has been on the market for over a year, it does not have the Sport Pack IIRC.
I will probably be selling mine later this year with about 60k miles on it, (to get another one maybe an IPS do the Mrs will drive it) I suspect that the price will still be above £25-28k as mine has all 3 packs, barge boards, tubular exhaust, all niggles sorted, no leaks and a recent clutch.
The N/A cars do seem tpo have plateaued already at around £30k and I think it will only be high mileage and non Lotus dealer cars that go for much less. I think £20k is quite a long way off due to rareity.
How would getting the car serviced outside the dealer/approved service centre list affect the resale value of an Evora?
I guess nobody would do that on a car still in warranty but would a 50k mile 5 year old one's value suffer much if it were serviced by a decent local garage?
Would a DIY clutch replacement take off more than the labour costs you saved?
I guess nobody would do that on a car still in warranty but would a 50k mile 5 year old one's value suffer much if it were serviced by a decent local garage?
Would a DIY clutch replacement take off more than the labour costs you saved?
A Lotus specialist garage with an excellent reputation for the model should be fine , but not a bread and butter garage.
As with most things knowledge is everything, as someone once said " experience is another word for mistake " .
Having said all this I still take my car to the factory for servicing .
As with most things knowledge is everything, as someone once said " experience is another word for mistake " .
Having said all this I still take my car to the factory for servicing .
Lazydonkey said:
Just had the 5 year / 37k mile service at Murrays which was £375 inc VAT.
Not sure i'd bother going elsewhere at that money.
Yes that doesn't seem too bad to me. The reason I asked was because IMHO the comfort level for running costs of those people who are happy to eat the depreciation and buy new is generally rather different from those of us who'd hope to pick one up for less than half the new price at some point. I'd love an Evora myself, but the labour time for a clutch change scares me as I've gotten through half a dozen in ten years of 2ZZ-Celica ownership. Not sure i'd bother going elsewhere at that money.
I also get the feeling from the last few answers that people would run a mile from any car that hadn't used dealers/Lotus specialists, so perhaps the best way to get a £20K Evora is to buy that £26K one and take it to Mr Clutch.
Are there any other engine-out maintenance jobs that a £20-30K Evora is likely to need soon? I'm assuming the Toyota V6's have chain-driven cams, so no cambelt changes, but they must need inspecting eventually - can you get the cam-covers off with the engine in place?
The running costs don't scare me too much. Big bills can come with any car - my Scirocco has just cost me £750 for a new inlet manifold and a set of coil packs, and that was at an Indy. I think an equivalently priced 911 would be a much riskier prospect than an Evora from what I've head.
I don't think a seeing a specialist Indy on an Evora service record would be a problem at all. It seems a positive plus point for an Elise.
I don't think a seeing a specialist Indy on an Evora service record would be a problem at all. It seems a positive plus point for an Elise.
Lotus indi I don't think should be a problem. I use my indi because I had to get him to redo a couple of things that my main dealer was supposed to do and hadn't done properly and wanted to charge again to redo. He gets a lot of business from them.
I won't say who the indi is because it will give away the main dealer, who I had used for years and until recently was quite happy with, people should make up their own minds.
My indi had 5 Evoras in during the week he did my 4year service so should give an indication of what to expect. Now they are over 3 years old many will, I believe, be going this route.
That said, Murreys service at £375, compares quite favourably to my indi, whereas it's a £450 start point at my local main dealer, rising to well over £800 for the main service, unless of course they have revised their pricing in the 15 months since I stopped using them.
All that said, I'd only buy cars with MD or Specialist service record.
I won't say who the indi is because it will give away the main dealer, who I had used for years and until recently was quite happy with, people should make up their own minds.
My indi had 5 Evoras in during the week he did my 4year service so should give an indication of what to expect. Now they are over 3 years old many will, I believe, be going this route.
That said, Murreys service at £375, compares quite favourably to my indi, whereas it's a £450 start point at my local main dealer, rising to well over £800 for the main service, unless of course they have revised their pricing in the 15 months since I stopped using them.
All that said, I'd only buy cars with MD or Specialist service record.
Edited by Boogs on Saturday 17th January 17:15
@ gravel
No, the clutch is the only known big expense, but if you need the engine out for any reason it will be similar money. That said the clutches done so far have been down to warranty work and there is very little evidence that an Evora should need a new clutch any more regularly than any other similar car, it's really down to use (or abuse). But by your comment I assume there is a reason why you have gone through all those clutches so assume you'd do similar to an Evora.
The engine is chain timed.
No, the clutch is the only known big expense, but if you need the engine out for any reason it will be similar money. That said the clutches done so far have been down to warranty work and there is very little evidence that an Evora should need a new clutch any more regularly than any other similar car, it's really down to use (or abuse). But by your comment I assume there is a reason why you have gone through all those clutches so assume you'd do similar to an Evora.
The engine is chain timed.
When I asked the clutch question at the factory I was told a management car had been sold with 60,000 miles on the clock , original clutch . However he continued to say they had to replace a clutch at 10,000 miles due to the fact the driver was , think of any non complementary word .
Boogs said:
@ gravel
No, the clutch is the only known big expense, but if you need the engine out for any reason it will be similar money. That said the clutches done so far have been down to warranty work and there is very little evidence that an Evora should need a new clutch any more regularly than any other similar car, it's really down to use (or abuse). But by your comment I assume there is a reason why you have gone through all those clutches so assume you'd do similar to an Evora.
The engine is chain timed.
Thanks for the info - my poor old Celica gets a lot of standing starts (50-60/yr) through my sprint racing hobby, and a bolt on supercharger doesn't make its life any easier. I would expect to treat an Evora a lot more kindly - to start with at least, but it would need to survive a couple of track days a year and a lot of B-road blasts. My dull mile muncher is still on its first clutch after 80k miles - my left foot can't be totally inept No, the clutch is the only known big expense, but if you need the engine out for any reason it will be similar money. That said the clutches done so far have been down to warranty work and there is very little evidence that an Evora should need a new clutch any more regularly than any other similar car, it's really down to use (or abuse). But by your comment I assume there is a reason why you have gone through all those clutches so assume you'd do similar to an Evora.
The engine is chain timed.
What is it with this clutch talk?...the drive train is rated to 500hp (torque?). Surely if any fail prematurely it is either to mis-use, or poor assembly during production(a good possibility). Mines had the 390 Komotec upgrade about 18 months ago and done several trackdays, and always gets driven enthusiastically, and the clutch feels as strong as ever? Apparently the 430hp upgrade gets a stronger clutch, but apparently the torque rises significantly.
The clutch thing is self perpetuating. Murrays have already said to me that if they bought my car off me with over 40k on the clock they'd HAVE to change the clutch in order to sell it. Most of the time they've done this the clutch has been absolutely fine, but the market has the jitters about clutches and thus they have to be changed to guarantee a good sale.
Only other "big" bill is when you need spark plugs as they aren't the cheapest - still only a £700 odd service so not disastrous at all.
Should point out that after 37k and almost 5 years my car needed a replacement gas strut for the boot and that was that. They appear to be very reliable cars.
Only other "big" bill is when you need spark plugs as they aren't the cheapest - still only a £700 odd service so not disastrous at all.
Should point out that after 37k and almost 5 years my car needed a replacement gas strut for the boot and that was that. They appear to be very reliable cars.
Lazydonkey said:
The clutch thing is self perpetuating. Murrays have already said to me that if they bought my car off me with over 40k on the clock they'd HAVE to change the clutch in order to sell it. Most of the time they've done this the clutch has been absolutely fine, but the market has the jitters about clutches and thus they have to be changed to guarantee a good sale.
Only other "big" bill is when you need spark plugs as they aren't the cheapest - still only a £700 odd service so not disastrous at all.
Should point out that after 37k and almost 5 years my car needed a replacement gas strut for the boot and that was that. They appear to be very reliable cars.
The clutch talk is mainly nonsense why wouldn't the clutch be OK at 40,000 miles ?Only other "big" bill is when you need spark plugs as they aren't the cheapest - still only a £700 odd service so not disastrous at all.
Should point out that after 37k and almost 5 years my car needed a replacement gas strut for the boot and that was that. They appear to be very reliable cars.
Toaster said:
The clutch talk is mainly nonsense why wouldn't the clutch be OK at 40,000 miles ?
IMHO clutches, like brake pads, are wear items. If it's your car for those 40K miles you'll know how it's been treated - as a potential punter looking at a used car you've got no real idea.The parts aren't any more expensive than for a less exotic car but the fitting cost might be 10% of the used price. That's what would make me nervous...
Gravel said:
IMHO clutches, like brake pads, are wear items. If it's your car for those 40K miles you'll know how it's been treated - as a potential punter looking at a used car you've got no real idea.
The parts aren't any more expensive than for a less exotic car but the fitting cost might be 10% of the used price. That's what would make me nervous...
Yes its a consumable but most cars clutches last years and 100,000 miles to find out how a car is used get a engine management printout and its service record these are indications on how a car is used to change the clutch @ 40000 for no reason is madnessThe parts aren't any more expensive than for a less exotic car but the fitting cost might be 10% of the used price. That's what would make me nervous...
Just have a look at how long a clutch lasts in a toyota camery are you really suggesting as the clutch is in a lighter car its more lible to fail
Edited by Toaster on Monday 19th January 19:55
Toaster said:
Gravel said:
IMHO clutches, like brake pads, are wear items. If it's your car for those 40K miles you'll know how it's been treated - as a potential punter looking at a used car you've got no real idea.
The parts aren't any more expensive than for a less exotic car but the fitting cost might be 10% of the used price. That's what would make me nervous...
Yes its a consumable but most cars clutches last years and 100,000 miles to find out how a car is used get a engine management printout and its service record these are indications on how a car is used to change the clutch @ 40000 for no reason is madnessThe parts aren't any more expensive than for a less exotic car but the fitting cost might be 10% of the used price. That's what would make me nervous...
Just have a look at how long a clutch lasts in a toyota camery are you really suggesting as the clutch is in a lighter car its more lible to fail
Edited by Toaster on Monday 19th January 19:55
To help it, I rev match and heel and toe.
Toaster said:
Yes its a consumable but most cars clutches last years and 100,000 miles to find out how a car is used get a engine management printout and its service record these are indications on how a car is used to change the clutch @ 40000 for no reason is madness
Just have a look at how long a clutch lasts in a toyota camery are you really suggesting as the clutch is in a lighter car its more lible to fail
This thread is about £20K Evoras - which would have had the same clutch for years and would have done a shed load of miles. I wouldn't consider it a 'failure' if the clutch failed after 4 years - but that's where the first Evoras are now. It will wear out sooner or later - I'd rather the last owner spent the rumoured £3K changing £500 of consumable parts - I'd wager a Camry's clutch doesn't take 30 hours to swap out...Just have a look at how long a clutch lasts in a toyota camery are you really suggesting as the clutch is in a lighter car its more lible to fail
Edited by Toaster on Monday 19th January 19:55
For the garage, claiming nobody will touch a 40,000 mile car on the original clutch is a win-win. It lets them haggle the seller down if it's on the original clutch 'because it needs £3k of work' - and then all they really need to spend is the parts at cost-price, and however many hours of labour it really takes if they're not booking it to a punter, at whatever they really pay their mechanics.
Would you buy a £20K car that 'needs a new engine soon, but it'll only cost £3k' or would you rather spend £23K on one that doesn't need a new one soon?
Gravel said:
Would you buy a £20K car that 'needs a new engine soon, but it'll only cost £3k' or would you rather spend £23K on one that doesn't need a new one soon?
I would buy one that has a good service record, from a main dealer with 12 moths warranty, these are robust cars with solid components. its is well documented that the area of disappointment are some interior finishes/fittings but not the mechanical reliability. Gassing Station | Evora | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff