Buying advice first lotus

Buying advice first lotus

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paul n

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247 posts

169 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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Hi all

After a frustrating month trying to sell my current car I have taken a deposit and should be sold by Wednesday fingers crossed!

Happy days as i will cash in hand to buy my first lotus. I nearly bought and S1 Elise years ago for ........wait for it 7K! But went down the Caterham/ Westfield route instead which i loved but just so impractical for what i use the car for (i need to be able to leave it in a car park for 5 hours whilst i run up a mountain and not worry it's gonna get nicked!)

Anyway a few years on now with a 4 year old in my life the more practical Evora seems to be the one to go for. I am at the bottom of the market price range and realistically pushing the boundaries of what i can afford so looking for a car that doesn't have many big bills in the immediate future of the price reflects that is does. Price seem to be variable and it is hard to say how much more they will go down? But life is too short to wait eh! (anybody thoughts on what prices are going to do over the next few years appreciated)

I have looked at a few and thought i had found the one with the perfect spec for me but on driving it I found the clutch super heavy and gear change not great. The car has done under 50k so my question is can this be adjusted/ improved or it is realistically going to be a 3k clutch change (this would put it out of my budget) I have read loads of threads about clutches but it would be good to hear experiences of people changing theirs and if it gets alot better or not. Also is it worth changing to the newer cables or aftermarket cables and how much extra cost/ time does it add to the job?

Second thing for me is noise. the first car had an uprated exhaust and CAI and sounded amazing! Then i drove a standard car at the low end of the market but disappointed by the noise so looking at cheap options to make the sound nicer. Does anybody have experience of just changing out the 3rd cat for the 2ubular decat pipe? It is only £170 i think so if it makes a noticeable difference i would get this and then a BOE CAI kit (any experience/ options on this much appreciated also)

There are a couple of other cars that look good in the middle of these two but both bright colours and i don't know if i want that much attention!? (maybe if I can get the price to where I want it!?)

People advice much appreciated and if anybody is thinking of selling give me a message always good to have more options!

Many thanks

Cheers Paul







giveitfish

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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I ran an Evora as a daily, loved it and miss it lots. Had an S1 Elise and now have an S3 Elise.

You’ll get a surprisingly amount of attention in an Evora. All good in my experience but my wife felt slightly self conscious about it.

What’s your intended use? Running costs are good for the sort of car it is, but still well above those of a mainstream car if you want to daily it.

This thread is useful https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The Lotus Forums is most helpful place for Evora questions https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/forum/259-ev...

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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giveitfish said:
I ran an Evora as a daily, loved it and miss it lots. Had an S1 Elise and now have an S3 Elise.

You’ll get a surprisingly amount of attention in an Evora. All good in my experience but my wife felt slightly self conscious about it.

What’s your intended use? Running costs are good for the sort of car it is, but still well above those of a mainstream car if you want to daily it.

This thread is useful https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The Lotus Forums is most helpful place for Evora questions https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/forum/259-ev...
Cheers for the info I would interested in your comparison between the Elise and the Evora. My other option is to get a cheap daily and then an Elise as a fun car but i did want the rear seat so i can enjoy the car with my wife and son on occasion as well. I would daily it but cut down the miles from my current daily but using my wife's car more for crap weather etc as I am very award that putting miles on lotus' seems to really effect resale value.

opinions on how well evoras / elises stand up to being stored outside on the drive much appreciated as well. I do have a garage but it would be a right fanny getting it in and out all the time as it is very tight size wise. I was thinking of a high quality car cover for the winter months where i would probably SORN it for the deepest darkest months as i assume they don't hold up well to the salt (I live in scotland)

many thanks

Cheers Paul


giveitfish

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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The miles thing can work in your favour! It’s pretty irrelevant to the mechanicals really.

If you can, try and get to a dealer or even better a local club meet and see some cars. Elise and Evora are very different propositions.

Both drive amazingly well, but at heart Elise is an intense weekend car and the Evora is a GT/my-first-supercar.

Either can live outside and either can be used daily but they involve different compromises, and both require effort compared to a normal car. Parts can be fun to get hold of, some examples of either car may or may not be 100% watertight, there will be niggles.

The driving experience is second to none though. Both are special things, you need to decide what it you want out of them.


giveitfish

4,031 posts

214 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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Sorry, see now you’ve posted in the other thread before so hope I wasn't being patronising!

My Evora lived outside, was fine. Had a bit of rain make us past the seals from time to time. Both Elises were/are garaged. My S1 Elise wasn’t even slightly watertight, but lived first 13 years of its live outside and suffered for it.

For me, Elise is a great B-road car that you can do big miles in if the destination is worth it. Evora makes even motorways pleasurable and is much more rounded.

Edited by giveitfish on Monday 12th October 14:45


Edited by giveitfish on Monday 12th October 14:46

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Monday 12th October 2020
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giveitfish said:
Sorry, see now you’ve posted in the other thread before so hope I wasn't being patronising!

My Evora lived outside, was fine. Had a bit of rain make us past the seals from time to time. Both Elises were/are garaged. My S1 Elise wasn’t even slightly watertight, but lived first 13 years of its live outside and suffered for it.

For me, Elise is a great B-road car that you can do big miles in if the destination is worth it. Evora makes even motorways pleasurable and is much more rounded.

Edited by giveitfish on Monday 12th October 14:45


Edited by giveitfish on Monday 12th October 14:46
Many thanks for the reply

good to know they can be left outside if necessary. one of the ones i have seen had the window seals coming away from the window but i looked up the parts prices and they seem ok for replacements. one of the other cars had the air bag cover raised up and i looked into that today and although the clips are cheap apparently the labour costs can be high as they have to remove the dash! but then it wouldn't be a lotus if it didn't have niggles eh!

Cheers Paul

ParanoidAndroid

1,359 posts

283 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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I’ve had.my Evora a couple of years now and love it (IPS so no clutch worries). Was originally my only car and lived outside but I decided to get a daily and try to keep the Evora as more of a weekend/fun car. No problems leaving mine outside at the time other than door handle recess and shaped top part of the door used to hold water so you have to be careful when opening if it’s been raining.

Got my first service free of charge but the last service recently cost just under £500 from Lotus main dealer.

Also have a 4 year old son and he fits in the back ok now we can use a smaller seat and if my wife pulls the passenger seat forward we can all go out.

Started a readers car thread https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... if it’s any use, but been a bit rubbish at keeping it up to date, must up date it soon.

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Tuesday 13th October 2020
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ParanoidAndroid said:
I’ve had.my Evora a couple of years now and love it (IPS so no clutch worries). Was originally my only car and lived outside but I decided to get a daily and try to keep the Evora as more of a weekend/fun car. No problems leaving mine outside at the time other than door handle recess and shaped top part of the door used to hold water so you have to be careful when opening if it’s been raining.

Got my first service free of charge but the last service recently cost just under £500 from Lotus main dealer.

Also have a 4 year old son and he fits in the back ok now we can use a smaller seat and if my wife pulls the passenger seat forward we can all go out.

Started a readers car thread https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... if it’s any use, but been a bit rubbish at keeping it up to date, must up date it soon.
wow your car is nice! I have never been a fan of auto cars but now i am genuinely considering a IPS as they are cheaper and also don't' have to worry about the clutch and although less engaging will let you focus on the driving/ handling of the car instead! i have read alot of reviews about them today but all the early UK reviews seem to be negative but then i have never had a PDK or DSG so i can't compare! How have you found the IPS in spirited driving? have you had the software updates?

Cheers Paul



blueg33

35,811 posts

224 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Both my Evoras lived outside. One occasionally would have a single drip of water on the air vent in the passenger door after heavy rain.

My second one was IPS, not really less engaging, just that the focus moves from slotting a stick to positioning, balance on the throttle. You still have to be in the right gear. If I bought another it would likely be an IPS. I have moved to a Ferrari, also a paddle shift.

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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blueg33 said:
Both my Evoras lived outside. One occasionally would have a single drip of water on the air vent in the passenger door after heavy rain.

My second one was IPS, not really less engaging, just that the focus moves from slotting a stick to positioning, balance on the throttle. You still have to be in the right gear. If I bought another it would likely be an IPS. I have moved to a Ferrari, also a paddle shift.
That is good to know that you went from a manual to IPS and still liked it!

This is local to me and is red (my 4 year son insists it has to be red! ha ha!) so i will go for a wee gander!

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010104...

ParanoidAndroid

1,359 posts

283 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Definitely worth a test drive of an IPS an see what you think. Make sure you press the sport button though.


paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Phoned up about the red one but the salesman said it sold 30 mins ago!

Had that with another car that i phoned a dealer about also so i am either unlucky or i need to change my accent when speaking to salespeople!

Onward with the search!

what would people would say are the essential options to have

For me I am thinking sport pack for sure, reversing camera definitely. would people say the heated screen is a must have?

I am a massive fan of heated seats but most of the ones i am looking at don't have that, has anybody retrofitted he heating element to the non heated seats? easy job?

many thanks

Cheers Paul

blueg33

35,811 posts

224 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Was a heated screen even an option? I have never seen it on an Evora

I think that the premium pack makes the car feel more upmarket and gives a bit more sense of occasion, eg nice leather sills

Ideally all 3 packs. Heated seats are nice in the winter as the heater is mediocre

p4cks

6,906 posts

199 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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My Evora is one of the most mechanically reliable cars I've ever owned. The other bits (the Lotus ones mainly) are the problems, but even still it's not that bad.

Mine had the posh factory exhaust on it when I bought it (Jansport rings a bell) which was just too quiet so I had this made up for it for £240 at a local custom exhaust place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPo-mP4_hc

It's been a fantastic car - my thread is here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

I was also at the low end of the market too, in fact I was in the depths of affordability but I think I got the cheapest Evora that's ever been on sale as it was only about £18K IIRC

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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p4cks said:
My Evora is one of the most mechanically reliable cars I've ever owned. The other bits (the Lotus ones mainly) are the problems, but even still it's not that bad.

Mine had the posh factory exhaust on it when I bought it (Jansport rings a bell) which was just too quiet so I had this made up for it for £240 at a local custom exhaust place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPo-mP4_hc

It's been a fantastic car - my thread is here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

I was also at the low end of the market too, in fact I was in the depths of affordability but I think I got the cheapest Evora that's ever been on sale as it was only about £18K IIRC
wow that sounds good! i need one of those! does it drone at all ?

Cheers Paul

p4cks

6,906 posts

199 months

Wednesday 14th October 2020
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Not in the slightest. The cabin is very well sound proofed so it’s barely noticeable

AlistairF

49 posts

156 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Hi Paul,

I have had a 2011MY S and it has been great, better than the Cayman it replaced and more livable than the Elsies before that. The gear change was much better than the reviews may lead you to believe but it did become terribly stiff after a year or so but the change to MY12 cables solved that permanently and it's great now.

As for the clutch, there are many high mileage cars on the original clutches and of course there are many stories about failures on mostly early and some later cars. It's prudent to budget for a clutch I'd say, but buy wisely and you may be ok.

I had the third cat removed and it sounds good and is reasonably vocal from the outside but these are well insulated cars. Mine is a 2+0 so I removed the "backrest" trim which is held on by velcro and that made a bigger difference than the third cat removal and it is still by no means noisy inside. I am not a fan of very noisy cars, I want them to sound nice rather than just loud. I will go for new manifolds and cats at some point and probably adjust the internal noise insulation to my needs.

Headlamp de-lamination was a common issue and easily fixed. Many of the airbag trim issues were fixed under warranty so best to fine one that has been done if you can.

Spec wise a rear camera is essential, but you may want to replace the early headunit so not too big a challenge to retrofit.

I have considered selling my S1 for a later model but I much prefer the S1 interior and the later cars seemed louder and stiffer rather than faster, so my view is that the earlier cars are much better value and I can't justify the cost to change. For these reasons I think clean well looked after S1s will hold their value really well which will make your search possibly a long one.

Good hunting!


paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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[quote=AlistairF]Hi Paul,

I have had a 2011MY S and it has been great, better than the Cayman it replaced and more livable than the Elsies before that. The gear change was much better than the reviews may lead you to believe but it did become terribly stiff after a year or so but the change to MY12 cables solved that permanently and it's great now.

As for the clutch, there are many high mileage cars on the original clutches and of course there are many stories about failures on mostly early and some later cars. It's prudent to budget for a clutch I'd say, but buy wisely and you may be ok.

I had the third cat removed and it sounds good and is reasonably vocal from the outside but these are well insulated cars. Mine is a 2+0 so I removed the "backrest" trim which is held on by velcro and that made a bigger difference than the third cat removal and it is still by no means noisy inside. I am not a fan of very noisy cars, I want them to sound nice rather than just loud. I will go for new manifolds and cats at some point and probably adjust the internal noise insulation to my needs.

Headlamp de-lamination was a common issue and easily fixed. Many of the airbag trim issues were fixed under warranty so best to fine one that has been done if you can.

Spec wise a rear camera is essential, but you may want to replace the early headunit so not too big a challenge to retrofit.

I have considered selling my S1 for a later model but I much prefer the S1 interior and the later cars seemed louder and stiffer rather than faster, so my view is that the earlier cars are much better value and I can't justify the cost to change. For these reasons I think clean well looked after S1s will hold their value really well which will make your search possibly a long one.

Good hunting!

HI Alister

Thanks for your reply, did you need the clutch changed at the same time or did you just do the gear cables? do you mind me asking how much that cost?

The one i am keen on sounds great as it has the sports exhaust but i think i will get a CAI if i get one to get more induction nosie in the cabin smile

Cheers Paul

paul n

Original Poster:

247 posts

169 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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[quote=AlistairF]Hi Paul,

I have had a 2011MY S and it has been great, better than the Cayman it replaced and more livable than the Elsies before that. The gear change was much better than the reviews may lead you to believe but it did become terribly stiff after a year or so but the change to MY12 cables solved that permanently and it's great now.

As for the clutch, there are many high mileage cars on the original clutches and of course there are many stories about failures on mostly early and some later cars. It's prudent to budget for a clutch I'd say, but buy wisely and you may be ok.

I had the third cat removed and it sounds good and is reasonably vocal from the outside but these are well insulated cars. Mine is a 2+0 so I removed the "backrest" trim which is held on by velcro and that made a bigger difference than the third cat removal and it is still by no means noisy inside. I am not a fan of very noisy cars, I want them to sound nice rather than just loud. I will go for new manifolds and cats at some point and probably adjust the internal noise insulation to my needs.

Headlamp de-lamination was a common issue and easily fixed. Many of the airbag trim issues were fixed under warranty so best to fine one that has been done if you can.

Spec wise a rear camera is essential, but you may want to replace the early headunit so not too big a challenge to retrofit.

I have considered selling my S1 for a later model but I much prefer the S1 interior and the later cars seemed louder and stiffer rather than faster, so my view is that the earlier cars are much better value and I can't justify the cost to change. For these reasons I think clean well looked after S1s will hold their value really well which will make your search possibly a long one.

Good hunting!

HI Alister

Thanks for your reply, did you need the clutch changed at the same time or did you just do the gear cables? do you mind me asking how much that cost?

The one i am keen on sounds great as it has the sports exhaust but i think i will get a CAI if i get one to get more induction nosie in the cabin smile

Cheers Paul

AlistairF

49 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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Hi, Sorry for the relain replying.
I am still on the original clutch but its a low mileage car at about 19K miles. I checked the service details and at three years old I paid a £500 contribution to MY12 gear cable upgrade and re-laquer of the headlamps and the balance was funded by Lotus.
I did this though Lotus Silverstone which has been superb all the way through.