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kambites said:
Scuffers said:
they probably do more pre-production and post production testing than just about any other car maker out there...
Hence the term "relatively". I can't imagine Toyota will test it in a mid-engined configuration with all the cooling problems that that entails, will they?My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
Scuffers said:
kambites said:
Scuffers said:
they probably do more pre-production and post production testing than just about any other car maker out there...
Hence the term "relatively". I can't imagine Toyota will test it in a mid-engined configuration with all the cooling problems that that entails, will they?My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
Don't Lotus take Toyota's ECUs and butcher them, rather than developing their own from scratch? If so, why couldn't they use Toyota's DI code?
bordseye said:
you're not actually trying to tell us that the Porker is exotic are you? You see more of them around than you do of MR2 or S2000 or 350Z. They are about as exotic as VW!
No kidding, 32 mile round trip today and I saw 6, 4 x Boxsters and 2 x 911s and I wasn't even going the busy route in and out of Sheffield at that. Having said that, I actually see more TVR and Astons than I do Lotus on the roads as well.simonrockman said:
Scuffers said:
My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
Er, Lotus R&D develop this technology for many of the worlds car manufacturers.Simon
kambites said:
Scuffers said:
kambites said:
Scuffers said:
they probably do more pre-production and post production testing than just about any other car maker out there...
Hence the term "relatively". I can't imagine Toyota will test it in a mid-engined configuration with all the cooling problems that that entails, will they?My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
Don't Lotus take Toyota's ECUs and butcher them, rather than developing their own from scratch? If so, why couldn't they use Toyota's DI code?
I would suggest that the Toyota ECU solution would be too hard (expensive) to re-integrate into another car, (and I would also assume that it's actually provided by ANO company), so Lotus would have to get their own solution (or pay EFi to develop it).
Edited by Scuffers on Friday 22 May 18:52
Lotus dont have the volume to get electronic kit like that made to order for a decent price, hence using EFi kit...you would need many tens of thousands of units to interest one of the big Chincsee/Taiwanese guys
...otherwise you end up doing a TVR, where they had 2 old girls in a cupboard locked away soldering their own stuff...then wondering why the early cars had electrical glitches LOL
...otherwise you end up doing a TVR, where they had 2 old girls in a cupboard locked away soldering their own stuff...then wondering why the early cars had electrical glitches LOL
Scuffers said:
RonnieP said:
Scuffers - has Lotus ever contacted you to become a consultant on any of their projects? You do seem to be the oracle and if you were indeed such an expert, I'm sure they would pay handsomely for your opinion 
Ho Ho Ho, that's so funny... 
RonnieP said:
Scufers Lotus factory pariah
it's all very well trying to vilify me, but let's face facts here, what exactly is your expertise on the subject? how many ECU's and associated systems have you worked with? How many engine transplants have you engineered? Unless you have something factual to bring to the party, I strongly suggest you stick to subjects you actually know something about.
Scuffers said:
My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
As Simonrockman said, your guess is wrongThey've been integral to the development of this technology for most of the world's motor manufacturers.
And if you think that Lotus don't have the expertise to program an ECU when any spotty geek with a laptop and an EPROM burner can do it, then you're living in an alternative reality.
Amongst their other cutting edge projects has been research into noise-cancellation technology and active suspension. They have very strong expertise in computer management systems and software programming. In fact, they have their own division of hand-picked and specially-trained spotty geeks
Scuffers said:
Unless you have something factual to bring to the party, I strongly suggest you stick to subjects you actually know something about.
And I strongly suggest that you practice what you preach instead of trying to cover up your own lack of knowledge by attacking other posters.Sam_68 said:
Scuffers said:
My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
As Simonrockman said, your guess is wrongThey've been integral to the development of this technology for most of the world's motor manufacturers.
And if you think that Lotus don't have the expertise to program an ECU when any spotty geek with a laptop and an EPROM burner can do it, then you're living in an alternative reality.
Amongst their other cutting edge projects has been research into noise-cancellation technology and active suspension. They have very strong expertise in computer management systems and software programming. In fact, they have their own division of hand-picked and specially-trained spotty geeks
Scuffers said:
Unless you have something factual to bring to the party, I strongly suggest you stick to subjects you actually know something about.
And I strongly suggest that you practice what you preach instead of trying to cover up your own lack of knowledge by attacking other posters.I never said they can't calibrate an ECU did I?
The fact of the matter is that Lotus do not have their own ECU, they have chosen to work with EFi for the Elise/Exige platform, the VX/Europa use the Vauxhaul OEM ECU, etc.
can you please learn to read what I said before you (yet again) go off on one, show me where Lotus have designed and implemented their own ECU (not re-badged ANO)?
Yes, Lotus have some very decent engineers that can do all sorts of stuff, but that has that got to do with the subject at hand?
Quiet simply, I do not know why they chose Not to run the current GDI engine, and made an educated guess that lack of ECU technology could be the reason, period, you (and others) then jump up and down about how wrong I am but as usual, offer no alternative reasoning.
in summery, learn to read and get a life.
scuffers said:
in summery {sic}, learn to read and get a life.
I can read perfectly well, Scuffers...don't try to dig yourself out now, just 'cos you've made a bit of a tit of yourself (again).you said:
My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
In other words, for anyone with even a partial grasp of the English language, you were implying that not only did they not have the ability to calibrate an ECU, but that they didn't even have access to the technology, which is quite simply weapons-grade b
ks.Sam_68 said:
scuffers said:
in summery {sic}, learn to read and get a life.
I can read perfectly well, Scuffers...don't try to dig yourself out now, just 'cos you've made a bit of a tit of yourself (again).you said:
My guess is that Lotus don't have the ECU technology to drive a direct injection engine.
In other words, for anyone with even a partial grasp of the English language, you were implying that not only did they not have the ability to calibrate an ECU, but that they didn't even have access to the technology, which is quite simply weapons-grade bks.that's not what that sentence says or means, (and as the person that wrote it, I feel I am probably best placed to comment on it's meaning) but don't let me stop you, you seem to be on a mission.
Scuffers said:
that's not what that sentence says or means
I quoted it directly, so how can you possibly say that 'it's not what it says'?
And you have the cheek to suggest that I need to learn how to read?
You're right, I'm on a mission.
I wouldn't have even bothered commenting on it (there's a lot of b
ks on these forums, I can't be bothered to comment on 90% of it), but for the fact that it's yet another example of the Great Simon Scuffam thinking that attacking other forum users is the best form of defence when he's proved to be fallible.Throw insults and pretend that you know everything whilst everyone else knows nothing... it's very effective, the first few times you try it. You can even pretend to have meant something completely different to what you wrote, if it makes you feel better. After a while it becomes transparent, and a while after that, it merely becomes comical.
Treat others with a little respect and it might be returned once in a while.
Edited by Sam_68 on Monday 25th May 10:39
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