The joey barton thread
Discussion
Hmmmm
1- Joey is a thug. He will stand up for himself and the team at all costs, but ultimately its his hot headedness that lets him down. Roy Keane and Paddy Vieira were the same, but the difference they proved their worth to the team. As is shown with Newcastle they let him go and they were fine. As for suggesting a fellow QPR player suggested he take a city player 'with him', he's the f
king captain he should know better then that.
2- Is joey a midfield dynamo and what is missing from the England setup as he so often cries? Last season there was a spell when was 'repenting his sins' but still couldnt get anywhere near the England team (hypocritical considering Terry, but thats another argument), He was working miracles at Newcastle playing direct balls to Carroll and scoring for fun. Its a shame because with a new manager he might have stood a chance of selection, but not now. Its a shame for him, his team and England. And his link up with Carroll would have made England a force in the Euro's. You could even argue its the Barton/Carroll partnership that cause Liverpool to pay stupid amounts of money for Carroll.
3- Has he underachieved? Yes. Without a doubt. Never played Champions League football (as far as I remember), was heavily linked with Arsenal before fking it up(ironically against Arsenal). Maybe a manager like Wenger or Fergie would have been able to control him like they did with Keane/Vieira)
I think its fair to say Joey Barton is probably the best English Player that never was.
1- Joey is a thug. He will stand up for himself and the team at all costs, but ultimately its his hot headedness that lets him down. Roy Keane and Paddy Vieira were the same, but the difference they proved their worth to the team. As is shown with Newcastle they let him go and they were fine. As for suggesting a fellow QPR player suggested he take a city player 'with him', he's the f
king captain he should know better then that. 2- Is joey a midfield dynamo and what is missing from the England setup as he so often cries? Last season there was a spell when was 'repenting his sins' but still couldnt get anywhere near the England team (hypocritical considering Terry, but thats another argument), He was working miracles at Newcastle playing direct balls to Carroll and scoring for fun. Its a shame because with a new manager he might have stood a chance of selection, but not now. Its a shame for him, his team and England. And his link up with Carroll would have made England a force in the Euro's. You could even argue its the Barton/Carroll partnership that cause Liverpool to pay stupid amounts of money for Carroll.
3- Has he underachieved? Yes. Without a doubt. Never played Champions League football (as far as I remember), was heavily linked with Arsenal before f
king it up(ironically against Arsenal). Maybe a manager like Wenger or Fergie would have been able to control him like they did with Keane/Vieira)I think its fair to say Joey Barton is probably the best English Player that never was.
Countdown said:
So, Joey Barton, A Scouser who used to play for Man City, hands his former team-mates a massive advantage by getting sent off resulting in his former team winning the EPL (on goal difference).
Nothing strange about that at all....
Seriously? A player who left the club in disgrace after been convicted of beating up a team mate at training.....yeah, like City really planned it all.Nothing strange about that at all....
It's obvious to anyone who has listened to Barton's interviews or read his tweets that the guy is not stupid, at least by footballer standards. His contributions to a recent documentary on racism in football were thoughtful and reasonable.
His relative intelligence makes his behaviour all the more reprihensible, as he appears to be incapable of learning from his previous mistakes.
Barton was the captain of a team battling for survival yesterday, and he got himself sent off through his own inability to handle the situation. He let his club, their fans and his teammates down. He is a liability and I don't expect him to be a Premier League player at the start of next season. He will have only himself to blame.
His relative intelligence makes his behaviour all the more reprihensible, as he appears to be incapable of learning from his previous mistakes.
Barton was the captain of a team battling for survival yesterday, and he got himself sent off through his own inability to handle the situation. He let his club, their fans and his teammates down. He is a liability and I don't expect him to be a Premier League player at the start of next season. He will have only himself to blame.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
He's never played for any of the teams I follow, but, it seams as if the guys only point in being is to cause controversy.
Is there anyone out there who thinks he might actually be a posative influence on a team?
I mean, he's been captain at at least a couple of clubs (qpr & newcastle?), have you ever seen a performance where you thought he was outstanding (rather than merely being a controversial talking point)?
He's a moron. Is there anyone out there who thinks he might actually be a posative influence on a team?
I mean, he's been captain at at least a couple of clubs (qpr & newcastle?), have you ever seen a performance where you thought he was outstanding (rather than merely being a controversial talking point)?
However, in terms of influencing a game I believe he had a massive impact on Newcastle's come back from 4-0 down against Arsenal.
That said, I'm much happier now that he's someone elses problem. His tweets overnight were just idiotic - managing to alienate the few NUFC supporters who still had any time for him which comprehensively failing to apologise for his sending off.
S10 GTA said:
Joey Barton is a liability, but he is also a character, a leader. He is someone who will stand up for himself and not roll over and die. Love him or loath him, he is an asset to a team (when he is on the field)
I do not really like him or his attitude, but he is the kind of player that Arsenal need. He is someone with balls, and Arsenal need bigger balls.
This is rubbish. He's not good enough for Arsenal. He's been largely average to poor this season for QPR and has missed a fair few games through suspension. I do not really like him or his attitude, but he is the kind of player that Arsenal need. He is someone with balls, and Arsenal need bigger balls.
Edited by S10 GTA on Monday 14th May 09:42
andyjo1982 said:
If so many people hate him or think he's a bellend, why do so many follow him on ttter? I've stopped and I think perhaps it'd hurt him more if people stopped following him, than constantly calling him names.
People like him don't deserve the attention...
It's the car crash thing, they're hoping to witness (or provoke) him kicking off so they can get ghoulish pleasure out of it. tter? I've stopped and I think perhaps it'd hurt him more if people stopped following him, than constantly calling him names. People like him don't deserve the attention...
wormburner said:
He's a fantastic footballer. He wouldn't keep getting contracts if he wasn't.
Contracts with who? League 2 is full of players in their 30s who have had contracts since they were 16. Doesn't mean they are any good.
As for "not sure he's good enough for a top 4 club", most QPR fans would argue he's not good enough for a bottom 4 club. He's not exactly pulled up any trees this season. Certainly a long way off being QPRs best player.
He's probably good enough to play premier league football....just. Would probably be better suited to the Championship.
BJG1 said:
S10 GTA said:
Joey Barton is a liability, but he is also a character, a leader. He is someone who will stand up for himself and not roll over and die. Love him or loath him, he is an asset to a team (when he is on the field)
I do not really like him or his attitude, but he is the kind of player that Arsenal need. He is someone with balls, and Arsenal need bigger balls.
This is rubbish. He's not good enough for Arsenal. He's been largely average to poor this season for QPR and has missed a fair few games through suspension. I do not really like him or his attitude, but he is the kind of player that Arsenal need. He is someone with balls, and Arsenal need bigger balls.
Edited by S10 GTA on Monday 14th May 09:42
TwigtheWonderkid said:
wormburner said:
He's a fantastic footballer. He wouldn't keep getting contracts if he wasn't.
Contracts with who? League 2 is full of players in their 30s who have had contracts since they were 16. Doesn't mean they are any good.
As for "not sure he's good enough for a top 4 club", most QPR fans would argue he's not good enough for a bottom 4 club. He's not exactly pulled up any trees this season. Certainly a long way off being QPRs best player.
He's probably good enough to play premier league football....just. Would probably be better suited to the Championship.
Professional, time-served, first-class managers keep signing him, in the full knowledge that he is going to be a major headache from day-to-day, and will at best cause them some severe public embarrassment and at worst, do something so stupid he wrecks the team and they have to sack him.
So why do these experienced managers sign him instead of the other players you refer to above? Because when his head is in the right place, he's a class act. Still a nightmare, probably, but a class act.
I could count on one hand the amount of good games Joey Barton has had for us, he's nothing but a liability and I hope I never see him at Loftus Road again, I don't think Mark Hughes will have him back in his side as it will be a VERY different set up to this season.
And take your floppy haired crap with you.
And take your floppy haired crap with you.
Blackpuddin said:
andyjo1982 said:
If so many people hate him or think he's a bellend, why do so many follow him on ttter? I've stopped and I think perhaps it'd hurt him more if people stopped following him, than constantly calling him names.
People like him don't deserve the attention...
It's the car crash thing, they're hoping to witness (or provoke) him kicking off so they can get ghoulish pleasure out of it. tter? I've stopped and I think perhaps it'd hurt him more if people stopped following him, than constantly calling him names. People like him don't deserve the attention...
Anyone else up for it?
People follow him for the same reason they watch those Russian driving youtube vids.
It's been mentioned that the twitter thing is a PR device, and he just takes pseudo intellectual posts and copy/pastes them, two interesting examples were something along the line of arguments will never be settled by fighting, and another apparently started "As a pacifist..."
He's like the Iraqi minister of information.
It's been mentioned that the twitter thing is a PR device, and he just takes pseudo intellectual posts and copy/pastes them, two interesting examples were something along the line of arguments will never be settled by fighting, and another apparently started "As a pacifist..."
He's like the Iraqi minister of information.
A colleague and I read a lot about Barton out of boredom and curiosity when he was being tried in court for a nasty assault a couple of years back.
From reading all sorts of accounts we came to the unprofessional diagnosis that he's a total fking psycho, or most likely a sociopath.
Barton is intelligent. His teachers at school said so. By the standards of professional football he's very bright indeed. He seems however to be missing insight into his own character and empathy for the suffering of others. He obviously has issues with assessing his own behaviour and has a tendency towards grandiosity.
If he weren't a wealthy footballer who can afford big-time legal representation I suspect he'd either be a successful though criminal businessman or serving a very long prison sentence.
From reading all sorts of accounts we came to the unprofessional diagnosis that he's a total f
king psycho, or most likely a sociopath.Barton is intelligent. His teachers at school said so. By the standards of professional football he's very bright indeed. He seems however to be missing insight into his own character and empathy for the suffering of others. He obviously has issues with assessing his own behaviour and has a tendency towards grandiosity.
If he weren't a wealthy footballer who can afford big-time legal representation I suspect he'd either be a successful though criminal businessman or serving a very long prison sentence.
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