England team visit Auschwitz.
Discussion
DarrenL said:
1- OK. Fair point
2- I didnt say "high intensity", but as we have players who are not used to the national set up, i'm sure a few more hours kicking a ball about lightly would be far more beneficial then going to Auschwitz for some good (short term) PR. To be honest, none of us will care where they went if they win, if they lose i'm sure there will be questions about how time was spent in the lead up, especially with a manager who has only had two games to get to know the squad.
3- I didnt say lock them away, but I questioned if Auschwitz was the best place for the team to go to.
it's only football. calm down 2- I didnt say "high intensity", but as we have players who are not used to the national set up, i'm sure a few more hours kicking a ball about lightly would be far more beneficial then going to Auschwitz for some good (short term) PR. To be honest, none of us will care where they went if they win, if they lose i'm sure there will be questions about how time was spent in the lead up, especially with a manager who has only had two games to get to know the squad.
3- I didnt say lock them away, but I questioned if Auschwitz was the best place for the team to go to.
The players are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Remember SA? Not all the team went to Ellis Island and those who didn't were criticised.
Based on some comments here if we don't win then critics will say that we should have trained for two more hours instead of going to visit a concentration camp.
The German players (some of) went to a township or Ellis Island in SA IIRC and basically said, of course we went it would be wrong to have this opportunity and not visit.
Oh, and don't the Germans consider WW2 to be caused by "Nazis" rather than "Germans"?
So why would they not go to Auschwitz?
Remember SA? Not all the team went to Ellis Island and those who didn't were criticised.
Based on some comments here if we don't win then critics will say that we should have trained for two more hours instead of going to visit a concentration camp.
The German players (some of) went to a township or Ellis Island in SA IIRC and basically said, of course we went it would be wrong to have this opportunity and not visit.
Oh, and don't the Germans consider WW2 to be caused by "Nazis" rather than "Germans"?
So why would they not go to Auschwitz?
Hackney said:
The players are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
Remember SA? Not all the team went to Ellis Island and those who didn't were criticised.
Based on some comments here if we don't win then critics will say that we should have trained for two more hours instead of going to visit a concentration camp.
The German players (some of) went to a township or Ellis Island in SA IIRC and basically said, of course we went it would be wrong to have this opportunity and not visit.
Oh, and don't the Germans consider WW2 to be caused by "Nazis" rather than "Germans"?
So why would they not go to Auschwitz?
Robben Island?Remember SA? Not all the team went to Ellis Island and those who didn't were criticised.
Based on some comments here if we don't win then critics will say that we should have trained for two more hours instead of going to visit a concentration camp.
The German players (some of) went to a township or Ellis Island in SA IIRC and basically said, of course we went it would be wrong to have this opportunity and not visit.
Oh, and don't the Germans consider WW2 to be caused by "Nazis" rather than "Germans"?
So why would they not go to Auschwitz?
I don't think the Germans do try to evade national responsibility for the Second World War. They know how important it is to educate their children about it.
rohrl said:
Robben Island?
I don't think the Germans do try to evade national responsibility for the Second World War. They know how important it is to educate their children about it.
That's the one. Sorry, I was tired.I don't think the Germans do try to evade national responsibility for the Second World War. They know how important it is to educate their children about it.
Also didn't mean Germans were evading responsibility, but that there's a distinction (which we English rarely make) between Germans and Nazis.
Puggit said:
As has also been previously state, if you are in Krakow you just have to visit. One day I will take my kids to Krakow and show them Auschwitz - I think it's that important.
It was the first thing on the list when I went to Krakow a few years ago. I went in February, like someone above, and the snow all around just added to the atmosphere there. Understanding how cold winters are there and the conditions people were kept in IN those winters, made the suffering etc all the more real.Not a happy day out but one everyone should try and do. I'm very glad its still there.
Flip Martian said:
Puggit said:
As has also been previously state, if you are in Krakow you just have to visit. One day I will take my kids to Krakow and show them Auschwitz - I think it's that important.
It was the first thing on the list when I went to Krakow a few years ago. I went in February, like someone above, and the snow all around just added to the atmosphere there. Understanding how cold winters are there and the conditions people were kept in IN those winters, made the suffering etc all the more real.Not a happy day out but one everyone should try and do. I'm very glad its still there.
drivin_me_nuts said:
If you don't mind me asking, having been there, what is your lasting impression of the place?
I don't mind. Not sure what I expected when I was there but afterwards I was left with a long standing sadness and I wondered how, when that place exists, and there is so much knowledge about what went on, how it is that the human race doesn't appear to have learned from it and moved forward in the last seventy years. We still have wars and conflicts, we still have one race or religion thinking they're so superior to another and trying to annihilate the one they think is inferior.
DarrenL said:
2- I didnt say "high intensity", but as we have players who are not used to the national set up, i'm sure a few more hours kicking a ball about lightly would be far more beneficial then going to Auschwitz for some good (short term) PR.
Oh c'mon. All squads have downtime where players relax for a few hours on some days. They can chill out listening to music or watching a film (although I assume you'd not let them watch Schindler's List!) or sightseeing or something educational (as they did)DarrenL said:
To be honest, none of us will care where they went if they win, if they lose i'm sure there will be questions about how time was spent in the lead up
Well, certainly from people like you.... By your argument, will you accept the visit helped if they do win? Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.
jaybirduk said:
Did this a few years ago. I found it a very powerful and moving experience, glad I went and would recommend others going.
It's pretty harrowing but I agree that visiting these sorts of places is very moving and a worthwhile experience, particularly in the hope that these sorts of things might not happen again (even though they have). More awareness can only be a good thing. I've not been to Auschwitz, but visited the killing fields and S-21 in Cambodia, which although on a much smaller scale is from what I gather a bit more gruesome. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff