The League 1 and 2 Thread
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Antony Moxey said:
craig1912 said:
Agree- lower league depend on the gate money - The Premier League need to get their hands in their pockets to help out lower league clubs.
Why? All that does is encourage clubs to spend beyond their means knowing they’ll be bailed out.craig1912 said:
selym said:
This is disastrous and shows the effect of the virus on clubs with less access to top level money. I fear they won't be the last.
Agree- lower league depend on the gate money - The Premier League need to get their hands in their pockets to help out lower league clubs.Bluedot said:
craig1912 said:
selym said:
This is disastrous and shows the effect of the virus on clubs with less access to top level money. I fear they won't be the last.
Agree- lower league depend on the gate money - The Premier League need to get their hands in their pockets to help out lower league clubs.selym said:
Bluedot said:
craig1912 said:
selym said:
This is disastrous and shows the effect of the virus on clubs with less access to top level money. I fear they won't be the last.
Agree- lower league depend on the gate money - The Premier League need to get their hands in their pockets to help out lower league clubs.It wouldn't be so bad if that money was passed back to supporters, cheap season tickets etc (look at Germany for that lead) but it just goes straight into players and agents pockets.
It was said on the radio that when the current owners took over that they’d put in enough money to tide the club over, then a month later they go into administration. It was later mentioned that they’d spent £25M this season. HTF do you go into administration after spending £25M - if that’s not financial mismanagement I don’t know what is.
Quite agree Ant. Look at Argyle, £17m in the hole and gambling on a world cup. That's not how to run a football club.
With Wigan though, was it a case of 'we have to pay these salaries otherwise we'd have no players' ? But then that begs the question, why try to chase your losses? Yes, they made the Prem, but should accept their natural level. Look at Yeovil, had a wonderful run and made the Championship and played huge clubs for them, at Huish. Okay, I don't think Conference football is their level, I think they're a L2 club, but they didn't spend wildly to try and regain Championship football. And back to Wigan, same old story of too much football competition close by, like Bury. There's something to be said for supporting a westcountry club.
With Wigan though, was it a case of 'we have to pay these salaries otherwise we'd have no players' ? But then that begs the question, why try to chase your losses? Yes, they made the Prem, but should accept their natural level. Look at Yeovil, had a wonderful run and made the Championship and played huge clubs for them, at Huish. Okay, I don't think Conference football is their level, I think they're a L2 club, but they didn't spend wildly to try and regain Championship football. And back to Wigan, same old story of too much football competition close by, like Bury. There's something to be said for supporting a westcountry club.
Tyre Smoke said:
Quite agree Ant. Look at Argyle, £17m in the hole and gambling on a world cup. That's not how to run a football club.
With Wigan though, was it a case of 'we have to pay these salaries otherwise we'd have no players' ? But then that begs the question, why try to chase your losses? Yes, they made the Prem, but should accept their natural level. Look at Yeovil, had a wonderful run and made the Championship and played huge clubs for them, at Huish. Okay, I don't think Conference football is their level, I think they're a L2 club, but they didn't spend wildly to try and regain Championship football. And back to Wigan, same old story of too much football competition close by, like Bury. There's something to be said for supporting a westcountry club.
Even when we had the one golden season in the Championship, the good folk of Yeovil barely turned out. Less than 5k for some of the games, that's less than when we were ripping up the Conference a decade earlier. Think from memory, we only sold HP out once that season which is pretty sad really. With Wigan though, was it a case of 'we have to pay these salaries otherwise we'd have no players' ? But then that begs the question, why try to chase your losses? Yes, they made the Prem, but should accept their natural level. Look at Yeovil, had a wonderful run and made the Championship and played huge clubs for them, at Huish. Okay, I don't think Conference football is their level, I think they're a L2 club, but they didn't spend wildly to try and regain Championship football. And back to Wigan, same old story of too much football competition close by, like Bury. There's something to be said for supporting a westcountry club.
Only got relegated by a few points which tells its own story. Gary Johnson and Paddy Madden fell out early on.. Madden scored 23 goals in 6 months in League One, he'd have been good for a 12-15 goals in the Championship. Whole Ishmael Miller saga affected the dressing room... handled better, we could have done a Burton Albion and stayed up for a season or two.
I think your comment that we are a L2 club is a fair one, I wouldn't argue except for to say that we spent eight years in League One before reaching the Championship and most of the time, we were comfortably mid-table with the odd relegation scrape.
Tyre Smoke said:
8 years? Was it that long? Wow!
I fully expect Argyle to consolidate in L1 now. Mid table next season and push on. Ultimately I would like to see us as an established Championship side with a flirt or two at promotion. I think that's where Simon Hallet sees us too.
I think we took our time in the Championship for granted - spunking all those millions on a World Cup tilt that we were never going to get was an offshoot of our blasé attitude. With Mr Hallett at the reins we are in a so much better place.I fully expect Argyle to consolidate in L1 now. Mid table next season and push on. Ultimately I would like to see us as an established Championship side with a flirt or two at promotion. I think that's where Simon Hallet sees us too.
Tyre Smoke said:
8 years? Was it that long? Wow!
I fully expect Argyle to consolidate in L1 now. Mid table next season and push on. Ultimately I would like to see us as an established Championship side with a flirt or two at promotion. I think that's where Simon Hallet sees us too.
Hmm, not so sure, although obviously you will know so much more about your club than I ever will. I’ve always thought P******* to be an established L1 club regularly inside the top five with a promotion every now and then to the Champ where they remain for half a dozen seasons or so. I would suggest us to be the same but one division below. We should never really be in the Conf same as you should never really be in L2.I fully expect Argyle to consolidate in L1 now. Mid table next season and push on. Ultimately I would like to see us as an established Championship side with a flirt or two at promotion. I think that's where Simon Hallet sees us too.
I genuinely can’t see P******* in the Prem and also hope it never happens too, I think that would be an absolute disaster for us.
Are you really that puerile that you won't type Plymouth?
I have no problem typing Exeter.
I don't see Plymouth in the Premiership, I don't think our board do either, because the ground is only 18k. That said, the horse shoe was built to put another tier on top if required. I see us becoming a solid Championship side.
I have no problem typing Exeter.
I don't see Plymouth in the Premiership, I don't think our board do either, because the ground is only 18k. That said, the horse shoe was built to put another tier on top if required. I see us becoming a solid Championship side.
Tyre Smoke said:
Are you really that puerile that you won't type Plymouth?
I have no problem typing Exeter.
I don't see Plymouth in the Premiership, I don't think our board do either, because the ground is only 18k. That said, the horse shoe was built to put another tier on top if required. I see us becoming a solid Championship side.
But but but asterisks are funny..... Exeter has an IKEA now, somewhere they can take their wife and sister. The two of them will love it.I have no problem typing Exeter.
I don't see Plymouth in the Premiership, I don't think our board do either, because the ground is only 18k. That said, the horse shoe was built to put another tier on top if required. I see us becoming a solid Championship side.
Remember Bournemouth's stadium is tiny too. However, I'd rather not be involved in that circus - but I wouldn't complain if we were.
Tyre Smoke said:
It's 2021 and Pompey still aren't as good as they think they are. 
Never mind Bluedot once you've sacked Kenny and spent money you haven't got, you'll have the League won by Christmas.
Only kidding mate, rough way to go out of the playoffs that.
I get used to it, 8 play off games and haven't won a single one, last night was our first ever away goal in the play offs stretching back to 1993(?) and Leicester. A word of caution though for any Oxford fans on here, each time we have lost in the 3 previous playoffs the winning team has gone onto lose in the Final...Never mind Bluedot once you've sacked Kenny and spent money you haven't got, you'll have the League won by Christmas.
Only kidding mate, rough way to go out of the playoffs that.
To be honest, as another poster added below, unless teams spend decent money now going up to the Championship then they're going to get slaughtered.
Our owners aren't really into overspending, we are now one of the best run clubs in the country, however our superior attendances to most others in League One and Two mean we can normally outspend on transfers and wages - unless those other clubs are overspending.
Clubs like Sunderland and Ipswich come into League One normally saddled with debt from over spending higher up, at least we are living within our means.
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