Official Liverpool FC thread Vol 5 - "Next Year Is Our Year"
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Black can man said:
Blib said:
Maybe so. But, they seemed to have no 'Plan B'. Carroll gives you that option.
2 points from a possible 15 must be a worry for FSG, i still feel Harry will be there soon after christmasBR is too young and perhaps too arrogant (or assured in his self belief, depending on your perspective) to contemplate a plan B. Still I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd rather win ugly than not win at all.
Dan_1981 said:
That sending off looks dodgier every time I see it.
Thus it should be remembered that the ref had just one view, in real time speed, and decided it was worthy. I don't agree after seeing the replays, but initially it looked bad enough to warrant a red the day after a definite red was bottled (Luiz). However i also think Shelveys body language at the time of the incident was probably the deciding factor..... he needs to learn a lesson there. TTmonkey said:
Dan_1981 said:
That sending off looks dodgier every time I see it.
Thus it should be remembered that the ref had just one view, in real time speed, and decided it was worthy. I don't agree after seeing the replays, but initially it looked bad enough to warrant a red the day after a definite red was bottled (Luiz). However i also think Shelveys body language at the time of the incident was probably the deciding factor..... he needs to learn a lesson there. But then on the other hand the van Persie challenge looked just as bad.
You have to give credit to Slur Alex for todays robbery. We all thought it was madness to drop Howard Webb, but in Mark Halsey he has found an ideal long term replacement. He controlled the game today for United and Liverpool simply had no answer. Forget RVP, Scholes, or whoever Giggs is riding, Liverpool had no answer to Halsey today.
Thanks to the Mods for opening a new thread.
So angry at the refereeing today. Sick to death of bloody awful penalty decisions, diving and referee bias. The Shelvey incident was right in front of him so who the hell was Halsey listening to on his earpiece before sending him off?
I only hope BR drills into the players all the positives and makes sure they don't hang on to the negatives from playing so well and getting cheated out of a result. I also hope this wasn't the usual raising the game against Utd thing...
So angry at the refereeing today. Sick to death of bloody awful penalty decisions, diving and referee bias. The Shelvey incident was right in front of him so who the hell was Halsey listening to on his earpiece before sending him off?
I only hope BR drills into the players all the positives and makes sure they don't hang on to the negatives from playing so well and getting cheated out of a result. I also hope this wasn't the usual raising the game against Utd thing...
Dan_1981 said:
That sending off looks dodgier every time I see it.
The only vaguely dodgy thing I see about Jonjo's sending off is that he was the only player that was punished. He's young and let the occasion get to him in going in for a challenge that wasn't necessary. He'll learn no doubt.
Now with both Lucas and Jonjo out I guess BR will have a choice of getting Sahin sharper or going with the more conservative Henderson. I know which one I'd prefer.
Evening folks, cheers Fergus for re-opening the BEST thread on the footy forum! 
Thought the ref had a stinker today and with the sending off changed the outcome of the game. Still, s
t happens and I was impressed with how we did with ten redmen.
This was always going to be a tough start and so it has proved. However there are less taxing fixtures ahead and we'll start to pick up the points.
Gutted about Agger, looks like two of our spine gone now. FFS.
Thought the ref had a stinker today and with the sending off changed the outcome of the game. Still, s
t happens and I was impressed with how we did with ten redmen.This was always going to be a tough start and so it has proved. However there are less taxing fixtures ahead and we'll start to pick up the points.
Gutted about Agger, looks like two of our spine gone now. FFS.
I can't believe people are comparing the Shelvey and RVP challenges! RVP won the ball, Shelvey jumped off the ground, didn't win the ball and tried to finish with his left foot what his right foot couldn't. Then a pathetic reaction. I'd be embarrassed if he'd done that in a West Ham shirt.
BrabusMog said:
I can't believe people are comparing the Shelvey and RVP challenges! RVP won the ball, Shelvey jumped off the ground, didn't win the ball and tried to finish with his left foot what his right foot couldn't. Then a pathetic reaction. I'd be embarrassed if he'd done that in a West Ham shirt.
Have you actually watched the replay? Evans was jumping in with two feet side by side! He won the ball, then Shelvy won it with his right foot that was slightly off the floor, the momentum took him through! A proper 50/50 challenge that Evans milked to get himself an advantage. RVP & Scholes both made high/two footed tackles that could have seen them walk.
RVP was sliding along the floor, Shelvey was jumping down into the ball, that was the difference. RVP would occasionally be sent off for that challenge, Shelvey off much more often. No complaints about those decisions, but Evans should have gone too.
I thought the penalty was one of those that gets given occasionally, but usually it wouldn't have gone that way. There was some contact and I can see why the referee might have thought Valencia had been pulled back, but can't see that he would have thought the leg contact warranted the resultant collapse to the ground.
Neville was spot on, Suarez would have got the penalty if he hadn't over-dramatised the foul and Skrtel should have halved Valencia when he had the chance. That incident is particularly galling because Skrtel ends up injured and that pass from Suso was a blot on what looked like a very very promising debut. I thought his composure and passing was very good up until that point. He has a bright future I think.
Here's some stats from the season so far:
Top tacklers - Allen (14), Kelly (13), Gerrard (13)
Interceptions - Allen (12), Skrtel (8), Gerrard (8)
Accurate long balls - Allen (43), Gerrard (37), Skrtel (26)
Accurate forward passes - Gerrard (184), Allen (162), Johnson (111)
Duels won - Sterling (35), Suarez (33), Gerrard (32)
Shots on target - Suarez (8), Shelvey (4), Skrtel (2)
Shots - Suarez (30), Gerrard (13), Borini (9)
I thought the penalty was one of those that gets given occasionally, but usually it wouldn't have gone that way. There was some contact and I can see why the referee might have thought Valencia had been pulled back, but can't see that he would have thought the leg contact warranted the resultant collapse to the ground.
Neville was spot on, Suarez would have got the penalty if he hadn't over-dramatised the foul and Skrtel should have halved Valencia when he had the chance. That incident is particularly galling because Skrtel ends up injured and that pass from Suso was a blot on what looked like a very very promising debut. I thought his composure and passing was very good up until that point. He has a bright future I think.
Here's some stats from the season so far:
Top tacklers - Allen (14), Kelly (13), Gerrard (13)
Interceptions - Allen (12), Skrtel (8), Gerrard (8)
Accurate long balls - Allen (43), Gerrard (37), Skrtel (26)
Accurate forward passes - Gerrard (184), Allen (162), Johnson (111)
Duels won - Sterling (35), Suarez (33), Gerrard (32)
Shots on target - Suarez (8), Shelvey (4), Skrtel (2)
Shots - Suarez (30), Gerrard (13), Borini (9)
RedTrident said:
Greetings. 
Game was lost when Henderson came on and we took Sterling off.
Magnificant 10 man display for me though. Play like that and we'll be fine.
Wrong sorry, they would have killed us if this had not happened, it was happening right in front of me in the paddock, the number of times they had players free but didn't always utilise them was scary, would only have been a matter of time.Game was lost when Henderson came on and we took Sterling off.
Magnificant 10 man display for me though. Play like that and we'll be fine.
Simon thanks again, will post your card back tmrw
Gutted about the result as I thought we were far supior...
Johnson was fantastic too, suso big future, great on the ball but needs to do more dirty work to be a regular.
m3sye said:
Wrong sorry, they would have killed us if this had not happened, it was happening right in front of me in the paddock, the number of times they had players free but didn't always utilise them was scary, would only have been a matter of time.
Your opinion Sye, mine is that Henderson coming on for Sterling made it easier for them to attack, especially against 10 men as we lost an attacking threat with the sub.Utd did play poorly and their passing was average throughout the game but then that's the sign of a very good team, winning regardless of how bad they play.
Still as you were there no doubt you saw first hand the stick Borini got from the Liverpool fans.
RedTrident said:
Your opinion Sye, mine is that Henderson coming on for Sterling made it easier for them to attack, especially against 10 men as we lost an attacking threat with the sub.
Utd did play poorly and their passing was average throughout the game but then that's the sign of a very good team, winning regardless of how bad they play.
Still as you were there no doubt you saw first hand the stick Borini got from the Liverpool fans.
I have to agree. Taking off sterling narrowed our play and evra was able to get forward much more. Definitely reduced our attacking abilities too.Utd did play poorly and their passing was average throughout the game but then that's the sign of a very good team, winning regardless of how bad they play.
Still as you were there no doubt you saw first hand the stick Borini got from the Liverpool fans.
I'm not surprised that borini got stick off the fans, he was very poor. The only Liverpool player I had something bad to say about today.
Who lit the fire under the Liverpool players yesterday? They played fantastic in the first half. ManU looked like they were happy to hoof it upfield just to get some time to calm down.
The second half LFC just seemed to flop about in the box looking for a penalty and Scholes had an impact. Shame but a man down does that.
That red card was clearly bullst however you look at it.
The second half LFC just seemed to flop about in the box looking for a penalty and Scholes had an impact. Shame but a man down does that.
That red card was clearly bulls
t however you look at it. RedTrident said:
Your opinion Sye, mine is that Henderson coming on for Sterling made it easier for them to attack, especially against 10 men as we lost an attacking threat with the sub.
Utd did play poorly and their passing was average throughout the game but then that's the sign of a very good team, winning regardless of how bad they play.
Still as you were there no doubt you saw first hand the stick Borini got from the Liverpool fans.
Borini has been struggling for the other 2 games I have been to this year also, tbh he needs to be benched and brought in slowly, to much pressure has been put on him far to quickly for me.Utd did play poorly and their passing was average throughout the game but then that's the sign of a very good team, winning regardless of how bad they play.
Still as you were there no doubt you saw first hand the stick Borini got from the Liverpool fans.
As for Sterling, its not just my opinion its mine and lots of us who were sat in that Paddock area, not sure where you sit but they had a man over on our right at all times and Sterling was not getting back. As soon as they scored they had a 10 min spell and pretty much all of that came on our right. This was stopped as soon as Henderson came on and offered us more cover.
As much as I thought Sterling was one of our best players and I rate the lad so highly in this occasion the manager got it spot on.
Simon, that 'majority' of the UTD fans were top draw I have to say, most of them were applauding at the start of the game for the 96, every team has its idiots which is a shame but nothing can be done about it.
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