The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
Alfahorn said:
He's a football manager not an accountant and on football matters he's underachieving.
The trouble is, with him having a degree in economics, its precisely his 'accountants' brain that has kept him in the job for so long, not his football brain, even more so since Silent Stan has taken over.The board have exactly the person they want to suit their priorities.
We can moan and b
h all we want, it won't change that fact, nor can we change it...short of no one renewing the season tickets for next season.......but that won't happen.I've long since accepted the reality of our situation.
Alfahorn said:
mylesmcd said:
Hahaha, stop it. Really. With out him the club would not be where it is today - financially or football wise. You fail to relaise that even with 10's of millions spent on a team there is no guarantee of playing better than we have been.
I don't fail to realise anything. The argument the club wouldn't be where it is today is now as tired an excuse as his methods, tactics, repetitive and delusional press conferences.
He's had money and largely wasted it. It's time to stop making excuses for him, he's doesn't deserve it. He's a football manager not an accountant and on football matters he's underachieving.
As you rightly say. There is no guarantee we'll be more successful with another manager, coaching set up or board but we need to try. That is the fundamental point, success isn't a divine right neither is pretty football but we must make changes. The club needs a rethink simple as that.
Unfortunately it now has been confirmed by Stan that has rejected the Uzi bid so it looks like our limited options have been limited again.
Adam B said:
Raygun said:
As I said before if Kronke and Wenger decide to stay and the quality of football stays the same the cost of season tickets and refreshments should at least be halved from their current prices to reflect this.
cloudcuckoolandDinlowgoon said:
I put the blame wholeheartedly at the fans who continue to renew their absurdly inflated season tickets. They hold the key to stop this,only by throwing them back will we see change.
I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
For a lot of people it's their life , they work all week just waiting for the weekend to come round.I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
I would suggest not buying the merchandise, food & drink , that would hurt them more.
Black can man said:
Dinlowgoon said:
I put the blame wholeheartedly at the fans who continue to renew their absurdly inflated season tickets. They hold the key to stop this,only by throwing them back will we see change.
I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
For a lot of people it's their life , they work all week just waiting for the weekend to come round.I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
I would suggest not buying the merchandise, food & drink , that would hurt them more.
Black can man said:
Dinlowgoon said:
I put the blame wholeheartedly at the fans who continue to renew their absurdly inflated season tickets. They hold the key to stop this,only by throwing them back will we see change.
I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
For a lot of people it's their life , they work all week just waiting for the weekend to come round.I honestly thought the worm had turned at the Sunderland game when the ground was half empty - FFS hit them where it hurts.
I would suggest not buying the merchandise, food & drink , that would hurt them more.
As a Chelsea fan, even I can see what's happened at Arsenal is a disgrace. Christ, I thought my club treated us like dogs but nothing to the contempt that you lot are held in by the club you love.
It's not just the money it's how the club is being run....there's seems to be a culture of mediocrity that is all pervasive in the club. You can blame him all you want but how the fk was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds.
Gazidis is average at best and has gone AWOL for the last few months....this is the man who when Arsenal were searching for a shirt sponsor wrote a letter to a Russian Telecoms company 50% owned by guess who...yup Usmanov. That tells you everything right there....he hadn't even done his work on Arsenal's 30% shareholder. Slack at best....most would call it incompetent.
Ace transfer fixer Dick Law....rumoured to be the man behind the Suarez bid. Missed his flight when he was supposed to be signing Ozil and has recently been removed from Ozil's contract negotiations as Ozil's team refuse to deal with him now. They're dealing directly with Kronke's son.
The list is fking endless....it's not how much money we have it's how we spend it. I was listening to the radio the other day...they were talking about Levy. 20 years ago Spurs highest earner was on £40k a week....currently it's Kane on £100k. In football inflation terms that's absolutely nothing! That's an average of about 3 or 4% year inflation in their highest wage. Levy has done an incredible job with discipline on the wage spending...unlike Arsenal. Erikssen signed a new contract for £70k a week at Spurs last year and is one of their key players....Arsenal have the likes of Gibbs and Debuchy earning that kind of money...Jenkinson wouldn't leave to go to Palace because of his wages. Levy apparently has a strategy of giving new players contracts frequently...Dier is apparently on his third contract and he's only been there three years....player is I am sure delighted at the constant recognition and is kept on long contracts....everyone's happy! Apparently The Ox has been told not to expect talks until well into the summer.
Who was the last player first team sold at Arsenal because they weren't up to it ? Looking back I reckon Gervinho in 13/14. In the last two years the only players who have effectively left are Gnabry and Podolski. That is damning! It's way,way, way too easy at Arsenal. That comes from one place...the top!
k was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds. Gazidis is average at best and has gone AWOL for the last few months....this is the man who when Arsenal were searching for a shirt sponsor wrote a letter to a Russian Telecoms company 50% owned by guess who...yup Usmanov. That tells you everything right there....he hadn't even done his work on Arsenal's 30% shareholder. Slack at best....most would call it incompetent.
Ace transfer fixer Dick Law....rumoured to be the man behind the Suarez bid. Missed his flight when he was supposed to be signing Ozil and has recently been removed from Ozil's contract negotiations as Ozil's team refuse to deal with him now. They're dealing directly with Kronke's son.
The list is f
king endless....it's not how much money we have it's how we spend it. I was listening to the radio the other day...they were talking about Levy. 20 years ago Spurs highest earner was on £40k a week....currently it's Kane on £100k. In football inflation terms that's absolutely nothing! That's an average of about 3 or 4% year inflation in their highest wage. Levy has done an incredible job with discipline on the wage spending...unlike Arsenal. Erikssen signed a new contract for £70k a week at Spurs last year and is one of their key players....Arsenal have the likes of Gibbs and Debuchy earning that kind of money...Jenkinson wouldn't leave to go to Palace because of his wages. Levy apparently has a strategy of giving new players contracts frequently...Dier is apparently on his third contract and he's only been there three years....player is I am sure delighted at the constant recognition and is kept on long contracts....everyone's happy! Apparently The Ox has been told not to expect talks until well into the summer.Who was the last player first team sold at Arsenal because they weren't up to it ? Looking back I reckon Gervinho in 13/14. In the last two years the only players who have effectively left are Gnabry and Podolski. That is damning! It's way,way, way too easy at Arsenal. That comes from one place...the top!
Cheib said:
It's not just the money it's how the club is being run....there's seems to be a culture of mediocrity that is all pervasive in the club. You can blame him all you want but how the fk was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds.
Gazidis is average at best and has gone AWOL for the last few months....this is the man who when Arsenal were searching for a shirt sponsor wrote a letter to a Russian Telecoms company 50% owned by guess who...yup Usmanov. That tells you everything right there....he hadn't even done his work on Arsenal's 30% shareholder. Slack at best....most would call it incompetent.
Ace transfer fixer Dick Law....rumoured to be the man behind the Suarez bid. Missed his flight when he was supposed to be signing Ozil and has recently been removed from Ozil's contract negotiations as Ozil's team refuse to deal with him now. They're dealing directly with Kronke's son.
The list is fking endless....it's not how much money we have it's how we spend it. I was listening to the radio the other day...they were talking about Levy. 20 years ago Spurs highest earner was on £40k a week....currently it's Kane on £100k. In football inflation terms that's absolutely nothing! That's an average of about 3 or 4% year inflation in their highest wage. Levy has done an incredible job with discipline on the wage spending...unlike Arsenal. Erikssen signed a new contract for £70k a week at Spurs last year and is one of their key players....Arsenal have the likes of Gibbs and Debuchy earning that kind of money...Jenkinson wouldn't leave to go to Palace because of his wages. Levy apparently has a strategy of giving new players contracts frequently...Dier is apparently on his third contract and he's only been there three years....player is I am sure delighted at the constant recognition and is kept on long contracts....everyone's happy! Apparently The Ox has been told not to expect talks until well into the summer.
Who was the last player first team sold at Arsenal because they weren't up to it ? Looking back I reckon Gervinho in 13/14. In the last two years the only players who have effectively left are Gnabry and Podolski. That is damning! It's way,way, way too easy at Arsenal. That comes from one place...the top!
A fish rots from the head down. k was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds. Gazidis is average at best and has gone AWOL for the last few months....this is the man who when Arsenal were searching for a shirt sponsor wrote a letter to a Russian Telecoms company 50% owned by guess who...yup Usmanov. That tells you everything right there....he hadn't even done his work on Arsenal's 30% shareholder. Slack at best....most would call it incompetent.
Ace transfer fixer Dick Law....rumoured to be the man behind the Suarez bid. Missed his flight when he was supposed to be signing Ozil and has recently been removed from Ozil's contract negotiations as Ozil's team refuse to deal with him now. They're dealing directly with Kronke's son.
The list is f
king endless....it's not how much money we have it's how we spend it. I was listening to the radio the other day...they were talking about Levy. 20 years ago Spurs highest earner was on £40k a week....currently it's Kane on £100k. In football inflation terms that's absolutely nothing! That's an average of about 3 or 4% year inflation in their highest wage. Levy has done an incredible job with discipline on the wage spending...unlike Arsenal. Erikssen signed a new contract for £70k a week at Spurs last year and is one of their key players....Arsenal have the likes of Gibbs and Debuchy earning that kind of money...Jenkinson wouldn't leave to go to Palace because of his wages. Levy apparently has a strategy of giving new players contracts frequently...Dier is apparently on his third contract and he's only been there three years....player is I am sure delighted at the constant recognition and is kept on long contracts....everyone's happy! Apparently The Ox has been told not to expect talks until well into the summer.Who was the last player first team sold at Arsenal because they weren't up to it ? Looking back I reckon Gervinho in 13/14. In the last two years the only players who have effectively left are Gnabry and Podolski. That is damning! It's way,way, way too easy at Arsenal. That comes from one place...the top!
Low salaries? Didn't we have a strict/capped wage structure?
Also, aren't some of those totnum players meant to be leaving (Dier to Manu for example)?
Cheib said:
It's not just the money it's how the club is being run....there's seems to be a culture of mediocrity that is all pervasive in the club. You can blame him all you want but how the fk was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds.
^^^THIS. In every organisation, apart from the owner, everyone should be answerable to someone for their performance. And sure, an employee with 20 years service who has done well for most of that time, and has made the business millions, will have much more leeway than a newbie, but ultimately, even the longest standing employee will be let go if they consistently don't achieve what's expected. k was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds. Past achievements will make that a longer process, but no one can live on former glories forever. Apart from your manager.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Cheib said:
It's not just the money it's how the club is being run....there's seems to be a culture of mediocrity that is all pervasive in the club. You can blame him all you want but how the fk was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds.
^^^THIS. In every organisation, apart from the owner, everyone should be answerable to someone for their performance. And sure, an employee with 20 years service who has done well for most of that time, and has made the business millions, will have much more leeway than a newbie, but ultimately, even the longest standing employee will be let go if they consistently don't achieve what's expected. k was he allowed to interview his boss and effectively answer to no one in an organisation that employs 600 people and has a turnover in the hundreds of millions of pounds. Past achievements will make that a longer process, but no one can live on former glories forever. Apart from your manager.
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely though everyone at Arsenal is answerable to Stan? And he seems quite happy with what they are doing. Arsenal's expectations are to make Stan money. Nothing more.
^ThisStan is happy as long as the money keeps flowing in so he can take it out.
He's not interested in trophies flowing in, just the money.
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely though everyone at Arsenal is answerable to Stan? And he seems quite happy with what they are doing. Arsenal's expectations are to make Stan money. Nothing more.
Most people I've spoken to say the beer/burgers/hot dogs etc are ste, and a complete rip off. Even the ketchup is some cheap, happy shopper catering grade slap. Yet come half time, the queues tell a different story. This is the club all over. Glassman said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely though everyone at Arsenal is answerable to Stan? And he seems quite happy with what they are doing. Arsenal's expectations are to make Stan money. Nothing more.
Most people I've spoken to say the beer/burgers/hot dogs etc are ste, and a complete rip off. Even the ketchup is some cheap, happy shopper catering grade slap. Yet come half time, the queues tell a different story. This is the club all over. "That'll be £7.50 please"
"Here's a tenner love, keep the change, I just trod on an onion!"
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