The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4

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Ascayman

12,732 posts

215 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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anonymous said:
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Oh come on, he isn't worse than the utd ITK on here laugh have they been right even once? laugh

Cheib

23,113 posts

174 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Squirrelofwoe said:
TEKNOPUG said:
But they did sell RVP. And Nasri. And Clichy.

Arsenal are in the business of making money not winning league titles. The idea that Stan will happily write-off a £50m asset seems fanciful.
Indeed.
Very different times...we had a massive hole in our balance sheet which could only be filled by selling players.

Piece in The Guardian today saying Arsenal won't sell because of the money i.e. Citeh or anyone else aren't prepared to pay enough

Champions League is apparently worth £40mil outright which I does seem high but Arsenal's kit deal is up in 2019 so we really need to be playing in the CL next season. We're currently getting £30 mil a year from Puma which looked great when it was signed...Chelsea just got £60mil from Nike and Arsenal in the CL would expect to get at least that. The article also cites Man U's experience of having to pay massive salaries to attract players when they've been out of the CL.

When you look at that lot £40mil for Alexis looks like properly st business. You can see why they are apparently being so definitive.

aeropilot

34,302 posts

226 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Saw rumour today that Neymar has accepted an offer from PSG after the French club triggered his £195m release clause......yikes

And....

Gunners boss Arsene Wenger has said Manchester City target Sanchez, 28, is not for sale.....but,

But PSG have renewed their interest in the forward and are now emerging as favourites to sign the Chile international....which if the Neymar bid is true, makes me wonder if they would indeed sell him, if PSG agreed a stupid figure..??




Squirrelofwoe

3,181 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Cheib said:
Squirrelofwoe said:
TEKNOPUG said:
But they did sell RVP. And Nasri. And Clichy.

Arsenal are in the business of making money not winning league titles. The idea that Stan will happily write-off a £50m asset seems fanciful.
Indeed.
Very different times...we had a massive hole in our balance sheet which could only be filled by selling players.

Piece in The Guardian today saying Arsenal won't sell because of the money i.e. Citeh or anyone else aren't prepared to pay enough

Champions League is apparently worth £40mil outright which I does seem high but Arsenal's kit deal is up in 2019 so we really need to be playing in the CL next season. We're currently getting £30 mil a year from Puma which looked great when it was signed...Chelsea just got £60mil from Nike and Arsenal in the CL would expect to get at least that. The article also cites Man U's experience of having to pay massive salaries to attract players when they've been out of the CL.

When you look at that lot £40mil for Alexis looks like properly st business. You can see why they are apparently being so definitive.
yes

Decent article on it here:

Football365 said:
among football fans, pundits and journalists, there is a rampant fear of ‘losing a player for nothing’. From the panicked “we’ll have to sell him or we’ll lose him for nothing”, to the seemingly wise ‘the club will be forced to sell this summer or risk losing him for nothing’. The fear undoubtedly still exists at the lower levels of football, where allowing a £300,000 asset to walk away would be financial suicide, but for the world’s richest clubs there is no Bosman-phobia; the numbers involved are just too small to be scary.

If Arsenal had a pound for every time they have been warned that they could lose Alexis Sanchez for nothing, they could probably offer him the £400,000-a-week contract he craves. And yet they are impervious to the threat because the club is worth £1.5bn, which makes the Chilean’s potential transfer fee only 3.33% of their worth. It’s not a drop in the ocean, but nor is it a potentially devastating tsunami. As ludicrous at it may sound, they do not need that £50m; it’s certainly not enough to a) weaken their squad and b) strengthen a Premier League rival’s squad. It’s difficult to know what figure would tip that balance, but it would certainly take more than eight figures to write out in full.

Perhaps the story would have been different if Bayern Munich had been willing to spend £132m over the next four years on a 28-year-old, and PSG may yet test that resolve, but Arsenal are absolutely right to resist any pressure to sell to Manchester City. One season of one of the Premier League’s finest players in an Arsenal shirt > £50m and the strengthening of a rival, especially when that rival snatched Samir Nasri, Emmanuel Adebayor, Gael Clichy and Kolo Toure in far more financially straitened times. One top-six Premier League side should no longer sell anything other than overpriced, unwanted goods to another.

That new reality has not yet reached the majority of those outside the world’s richest clubs, who still see a loss of £50m as frightening, strengthened by the fear of a player ‘sulking’ or ‘downing tools’. That may well be true of some disaffected fringe players, but can you really envisage the ultra-competitive Sanchez just deciding not to bother? After all, this is the man Martin Keown called “a difficult man to manage” because he turned up on his days off asking for extra training sessions.

Sanchez has apparently been informed of Arsenal’s stance and has not made any threats of effectively going on strike; the club would not have adopted this position were they not sure that the Chilean – who has only even been criticised for playing too many games – would give them a full season of effort. Arsenal have to believe that a full season of effort from an irreplaceable player, plus the addition of a bona fide goalscorer, minus Champions League football, will deliver a top-four place with ease. Should that happen, it will be worth far more than £50m in direct and indirect income; Arsenal are not Manchester United and would not survive a prolonged absence from the top table, either in terms of player recruitment or sponsorship deals.

For a precedent, we look to Germany and Robert Lewandowski, with Borussia Dortmund deciding to forego a transfer fee from Bayern Munich in 2013 to keep the Pole for another season and lose him in 2014 for nothing; he ended the season as the top goalscorer in the Bundesliga and with no lingering doubts that he had ‘downed tools’. Professional footballers for the most part behave professionally and Dortmund may have lost out on a transfer fee but they kept their dignity and had the luxury of spending just £11m on the potential of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang rather than being forced to over-pay for a player who would have come with the cumbersome label of ‘the new Lewandowski’.

Four years after Dortmund made a stance against bullying, Arsenal are ready to do the same. And this time, it is not merely stubbornness; it makes complete financial sense to cling onto the soaring bird in your hand when you’re not sure whether those in the bush can even get off the ground. Free transfer? There’s absolutely nothing to fear.

Alfahorn

7,758 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Black can man said:
Allyc85 said:
Chambers possibly off for 20 million! Prices for english players are mental these days!
You paid £16M for him over 3 years ago.

I'd say this was a pretty poor return for the goons tbh.
A Spurs fan commenting on our finances. This the club that sold Bale for £100m and effectively set fire the the money!

I can only recall one half decent player from the trolley dash with the Bale money and that was Erikson.

£20m for Chambers would be very reasonable considering he's hasn't been involved for the best part of 2 years.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Alfahorn said:
Black can man said:
Allyc85 said:
Chambers possibly off for 20 million! Prices for english players are mental these days!
You paid £16M for him over 3 years ago.

I'd say this was a pretty poor return for the goons tbh.
A Spurs fan commenting on our finances. This the club that sold Bale for £100m and effectively set fire the the money!

I can only recall one half decent player from the trolley dash with the Bale money and that was Erikson.

£20m for Chambers would be very reasonable considering he's hasn't been involved for the best part of 2 years.
Maybe he's looking for Champions league football somewhere .

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Rumours of Chamberlain to Chelsea, Arsenal's best player.
How can a club like Arsenal, state of the art stadium, huge wealth, great tradition, keep losing players to a club like Chelsea? Stan Kroenke and Arsene Wenger is the answer.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Raygun said:
Rumours of Chamberlain to Chelsea, Arsenal's best player.
How can a club like Arsenal, state of the art stadium, huge wealth, great tradition, keep losing players to a club like Chelsea? Stan Kroenke and Arsene Wenger is the answer.
Come on we know that's not going to happen.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Black can man said:
Raygun said:
Rumours of Chamberlain to Chelsea, Arsenal's best player.
How can a club like Arsenal, state of the art stadium, huge wealth, great tradition, keep losing players to a club like Chelsea? Stan Kroenke and Arsene Wenger is the answer.
Come on we know that's not going to happen.
Why don't you think it'll happen BCM?
Honest question, I just assumed after reading about it and Arsenal's record selling to rivals it was a shoe-in!
I hope you're right.

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Raygun said:
Black can man said:
Raygun said:
Rumours of Chamberlain to Chelsea, Arsenal's best player.
How can a club like Arsenal, state of the art stadium, huge wealth, great tradition, keep losing players to a club like Chelsea? Stan Kroenke and Arsene Wenger is the answer.
Come on we know that's not going to happen.
Why don't you think it'll happen BCM?
Honest question, I just assumed after reading about it and Arsenal's record selling to rivals it was a shoe-in!
I hope you're right.
I think that the player has a bit more about him than to sign for Chelsea, look at the stick Cole got & will always get for the rest of his life just for following the pound note.

He doesn't strike me as i want ,i want type of chap, i just think he wants to play football & he's not god enough to hold down a regular spot in the Chelsea team.

A move to Liverpool wouldn't surprise me when Coutinho heads off to Spain though.


anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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Black can man said:
I think that the player has a bit more about him than to sign for Chelsea, look at the stick Cole got & will always get for the rest of his life just for following the pound note.

He doesn't strike me as i want ,i want type of chap, i just think he wants to play football & he's not god enough to hold down a regular spot in the Chelsea team.

A move to Liverpool wouldn't surprise me when Coutinho heads off to Spain though.
You've got more idea of the way football works than me but I think footballers tend to grow a thick skin when they can greatly improve their salary by switching to another club especially when you don't even have to move house.

Alfahorn

7,758 posts

207 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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m3sye

26,231 posts

200 months

Saturday 22nd July 2017
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anonymous said:
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Sorry just seen this keyser
How does me copying a post from Twitter turn me into a ITK?
I'm not trying to be anyone I just post some rumours every now and then? Bit like you guys have done about Ronaldo, Bale, Grizeman who have all signed for u and are done deals wink

Alfahorn

7,758 posts

207 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Whilst I accept the Chelsea game was a pre-season friendly. Once again, the performance and result raises far more questions than answers. The same weaknesses are there for all to see, they were in the Bayern game as well.

We urgently need a centre half and central defensive midfielder of top quality. The problem is players look at these results even in pre-season friendlies and they are more likely to want to go elsewhere.

We need to stop fking about with Alexis. If he doesn't want to be here sell him. Then we need to offer serious money to sign Lemar, not piss ball about as normally offering £30m that's a fking joke in this market. We need to offer £60-£65m , he's only 21 and with development he could be worth double in 2 years time.

I predict we'll start the first game against Leicester with no further signings, the future of Alexis unresolved and a home defeat again. Because yet again, we are not prepared. Christ, Giroud wasn't even named in the squad for yesterday's game and what a farce that turned out to be.

The signings made so far are good but not enough and the preparation for the forthcoming season is yet again diabolical.

Glassman

22,501 posts

214 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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It was a friendly... in Beijing... Chelsea - other than the front man - were full strength. We had a back line of Naitland-Miles, BFG and Nacho.




Allyc85

7,225 posts

185 months

Sunday 23rd July 2017
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Panic,


















panic, panic!!!!!!

Bayern were also stuffed rolleyes

mylesmcd

2,521 posts

218 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Glassman said:
It was a friendly... in Beijing... Chelsea - other than the front man - were full strength. We had a back line of Naitland-Miles, BFG and Nacho.
exactly. And a second string keeper. I agree with Alfa on the Alexis thing though, if he is going to piss about, get rid and IF we spend the cash on some decent talent, it would be the best way to go.

Still, was the first match I had a decent stream for in ages!

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Alfahorn said:
The same weaknesses are there for all to see, they were in the Bayern game as well
We urgently need a centre half and central defensive midfielder of top quality. The problem is players look at these results even in pre-season friendlies and they are more likely to want to go elsewhere.
Like shopping for a present at 4pm on Christmas Eve Wenger will buy any old cheap tat on offer at 10pm on 31/8/17.

silverfoxcc

7,683 posts

144 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Alfahorn said:
So two good players then.

If the other players were good enough they'd still be at Spurs and not playing for Watford or in China or West Brom.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Walker money is spunked!
I honestly think it was ManC who spunked the money. Walker has one trick. going down the wing and cutting in by flicking the ball behind him with his right foot. Stop that and you have stopped him

His only other saving grace is his speed in getting back when he fks up, and that happens 3/4 times a match.
Only next season he will have John Stones to help him out instead of Toby and Jan... not MUCH of a difference is there?

I wonder why Pep bought another right back already....... possibly Jan would be too late for Walker to win trophies

Black can man

31,816 posts

167 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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Alfahorn said:


I'm looking forward to seeing how the Walker money is spunked!
Any of it being spent would be nice.
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